Has the American Government become Tyrannical?

[Dr Kynes]

that's the thing. it's a lot of words with very little substance. the same thing over and over.

see below.



this is all you really needed to type. we get it. you're still fighting the cold war. and multiculturalism. and fluoride.

really, whoever john birch tells you is threatening the REAL america.

and you select a strawman, paint my face on it and claim victory with every whack at your shitty construct.

marxism IS alive and well, it just goes by dozens of names now, and the dolts who advocate the New Hotness like "Libertarian Socilaism" and the Green Party are completely oblivious to the actual nature of the ideology they are espousing.

should we all never mention marxism again so it can spread like a shitstain from a leaky diaper?

but since thats how you want to roll i shall crazyglue you to the ass of that good democrat George "Segregation Forever" Wallace.

why are you so hateful and racist? why are you so dead set against integrating the schools?

so sad.

 

[GOD HERE]

mm hmm...

so thats the way you dodge the fact that you have NOT read the communist manifesto and das kapital, and are most likely unaware of who leonid troitsky was, or that mussolini was also a well respected socialist theoretician...

yep. you need to learn you some book.

but by all means, do follow bucky's clarion call to buffleheaded reactionary opposition, and mindless knee jerk ad hominems.

perhaps some day youll be as e-famous as bucky.

dare to dream.

Yeah he was thrown out of the party FOR BEING A RIGHT WING FASCIST. The opposite of a socialist. You're a shameless liar aren't you? I mean either you really believe this stuff and have no idea what the majority of these words mean, or you're just a liar. So which is it?

 

[GOD HERE]

and you select a strawman, paint my face on it and claim victory with every whack at your shitty construct.

marxism IS alive and well, it just goes by dozens of names now, and the dolts who advocate the New Hotness like "Libertarian Socilaism" and the Green Party are completely oblivious to the actual nature of the ideology they are espousing.

should we all never mention marxism again so it can spread like a shitstain from a leaky diaper?

but since thats how you want to roll i shall crazyglue you to the ass of that good democrat George "Segregation Forever" Wallace.

why are you so hateful and racist? why are you so dead set against integrating the schools?

so sad.

Dude you are paranoid as fuck. If I'm a libertarian socialist, I'm inherently against marxism. Why? Well google the word libertarian. That would be a good starting point. Basic words, then complex ideas.

 

[UncleBuck]

and you select a strawman, paint my face on it and claim victory with every whack at your shitty construct.

marxism IS alive and well, it just goes by dozens of names now, and the dolts who advocate the New Hotness like "Libertarian Socilaism" and the Green Party are completely oblivious to the actual nature of the ideology they are espousing.

should we all never mention marxism again so it can spread like a shitstain from a leaky diaper?

but since thats how you want to roll i shall crazyglue you to the ass of that good democrat George "Segregation Forever" Wallace.

why are you so hateful and racist? why are you so dead set against integrating the schools?

so sad.

actually, it was you who called desegregation "forced multiculturalism", and talked about your disdain for multiculturalism as it will turn us all into hitler children with a singular mindset and you don't much appreciate those worthless africans and polynesians tainting our european blood.

i'm very much for the fed gov stepping in and slapping the states when they are doing unconstitutional stuff, such as segregation.

 

[echelon1k1]

actually, it was you who called desegregation "forced multiculturalism", and talked about your disdain for multiculturalism as it will turn us all into hitler children with a singular mindset and you don't much appreciate those worthless africans and polynesians tainting our european blood.

i'm very much for the fed gov stepping in and slapping the states when they are doing unconstitutional stuff, such as segregation.

He wants his redneck imbred bloodline to stay pure... oh the irony...

 

[cannabineer]

Dude you are paranoid as fuck. If I'm a libertarian socialist, I'm inherently against marxism. Why? Well google the word libertarian. That would be a good starting point. Basic words, then complex ideas.

You've piqued my interest. I've always thought that libertarianism (focus shifts from community to individual) and socialism (focus shifts from individual to community) as essentially irreconcilable. cn

 

[Dr Kynes]

Yeah he was thrown out of the party FOR BEING A RIGHT WING FASCIST. The opposite of a socialist. You're a shameless liar aren't you? I mean either you really believe this stuff and have no idea what the majority of these words mean, or you're just a liar. So which is it?

trotsky was drummed out of the bolshevik revolution by STALIN not for being a fascist, but for being a communbist. in fact trotsky wrote numerous screeds against fascism, mussolini in specific, nazism, and the entirety of third way socialism.

leonid trotsky was, untill the day he recieved an icepick through his ear, an ardent true believer in communism, while stalinism, (the soviet union the warsaw pact nations and soviet sattelites, castro's cuba, hugo chavez etc... ) Maoism (china, north korea vietnam, etc...)and fascism (Mussolini, Hitler, Khomeni's Iran, Franco's spain etc...) are all Socialism.

really you need to read something other than lefty blog posts.

http://www.marxists.org/archive/trotsky/works/1944/1944-fas.htm

you see, socialism, the ideology you are so enamoured of, is a corruption of communism. socialism is intended to be a stepping stone to the utopian stateless communism envisioned by marx. socialism has been hijacked and made into a self perpetuating authoritarian system by stalin, mussolini and mao. every asshole who followed after them has been simply making small refinements to the socialist system created by those 3 socialist architects who constructed their system on the foundations laid down by marx and engles.

you, as a socialist, are in the company of such great thinkers and humanitarians as Pol Pot, Hitler, Kim Il Sung, Fidel Castro, and ayatollah khomeni

you dont even know what marxism is, so how can you claim to not be one, and your assertion thaat leonid trotsky was a fascist is absurd.

communists like trotsky lenin and che guevarra start revolutions and win them, then they get iced by the power hungry socialist strongmen and dictators who then airbrush the communists out of photographs and try to pretend they never existed, or simply betray them to the bolivian secret police.

but then you dont even understand the real meaning of the words you use, so i dont know why im bothering to discuss this issue.

 

[Dr Kynes]

He wants his redneck imbred bloodline to stay pure... oh the irony...

you really are a sad little twit.

encouraging godhere in his moronic belief that socialism is somehow not marxism, and his delusion that trotsky was a fascist just because you feel the need to disagree with me over an issue in an entirely unrelated thread on an entirely unrelated subject.

i suppose you think youre "trolling me" but trolling requires that you subvert my expectations, but i have long recognized that you dso not argue for or against any issue, but rather for or against the PERSON.

you are not just a user of the pointless ad hominem like buck, but you have embraced the ad hominem as your reason for being. you need a villain, an antagonist against whom you may heroically struggle, as a part of some grand fantasy that you are somehow important.

go choose another foil. i have no further interest in your delusions.
enjoy your sociopathy.

the phrase you have been looking for is "Je Suis Napoleon!"

 

[UncleBuck]

...socialism...marxism... trotsky...fascist

got it already.

by the way, it's je suis.

 

[cannabineer]

got it already.

by the way, it's je suis.

Clearly you've never seen the phrase "I hog-call the Emperor" before. cn

 

[Dr Kynes]

actually, it was you who called desegregation "forced multiculturalism", and talked about your disdain for multiculturalism as it will turn us all into hitler children with a singular mindset and you don't much appreciate those worthless africans and polynesians tainting our european blood.

i'm very much for the fed gov stepping in and slapping the states when they are doing unconstitutional stuff, such as segregation.

no. bad retard. no cookie.

i said forcing people to accept the multicultural bullshit was wrong, and this had NOTHING to do with desegregation in the 50's and 60's

forced bussing is also wrong. a kid should not have to sit on a bus for an hour a day so some mandarin can check off the box on his form marked "Ethnically Diverse" since that is in it's very essence, racism.

multiculturalism as a cult has nothing to do with desegregation, but is in fact Re-Segregation, because it makes the defining aspect of every person their skin colour

every school business or organization has to have a certain number of blacks, chicanos, asians, etc etc etc
then they have to qualify by haveing a certain percentage ow women, gays and now trannies
then they have to have a certain number of moslems, buddhists, wiccans, hindus etc etc etc

if they fail to be properly "multicultural" for any reason they are vulnerable to civil suits and federal intervention for discrimination. thats why i spent a hour each day sitting on a bus traveling 20 miles to a school on the other side of town so the school 2 blocks from my house could be more ethnically diverse. they bussed other kids from different ethnic groups across town to go to the school by my house too. and for what? so some bureaucrat could mark the schools as properly multicultural.

it's pure bullshit. but it's a lefty ideal so you have to accept it. the lefty agenda is a prix fixe menu, no substitutions. youll take what they slop on your tray, and like it.

 

[Doer]

Nothing basic about the most basic of words....is...there?

 

[Dr Kynes]

got it already.

by the way, it's je suis.

you see the words but you do not comprehend them.

trotsky was still not a fascist by any stretch of the imagination.

"If you can't argue the facts, make snide comments and complain about typos." ~ Bucky

 

[echelon1k1]

you really are a sad little twit.

encouraging godhere in his moronic belief that socialism is somehow not marxism, and his delusion that trotsky was a fascist just because you feel the need to disagree with me over an issue in an entirely unrelated thread on an entirely unrelated subject.

i suppose you think youre "trolling me" but trolling requires that you subvert my expectations, but i have long recognized that you dso not argue for or against any issue, but rather for or against the PERSON.

you are not just a user of the pointless ad hominem like buck, but you have embraced the ad hominem as your reason for being. you need a villain, an antagonist against whom you may heroically struggle, as a part of some grand fantasy that you are somehow important.

go choose another foil. i have no further interest in your delusions.
enjoy your sociopathy.

the phrase you have been looking for is "Je Sui Napoleon!"

I disdain rednecks like you and will continue the attacks on your mental flaws and concept of reality.

Cold war's over move with the times joe, because reality is leaving you behind...

 

[UncleBuck]

"Ethnically Diverse" ...*multiculturalism... desegregation...blacks, chicanos, asians...women, gays and now trannies...moslems, buddhists, wiccans, hindus

trotsky ... fascist

it's like a word soup of stuff that makes you shit your pants.

 

[echelon1k1]

it's like a word soup of stuff that makes you shit your pants.

LOL.... quantitly not quality, Now he's teaming up with Doer so pull up a seat - it's about to get even funnier...

 

[GOD HERE]

You've piqued my interest. I've always thought that libertarianism (focus shifts from community to individual) and socialism (focus shifts from individual to community) as essentially irreconcilable. cn

Anywhere outside the U.S. if you call yourself a libertarian people will think you're a socialist. The Americans made a perversion of the word. It's basically Anarchism and socialism or syndicalism.

 

[GOD HERE]

trotsky was drummed out of the bolshevik revolution by STALIN not for being a fascist, but for being a communbist. in fact trotsky wrote numerous screeds against fascism, mussolini in specific, nazism, and the entirety of third way socialism.

leonid trotsky was, untill the day he recieved an icepick through his ear, an ardent true believer in communism, while stalinism, (the soviet union the warsaw pact nations and soviet sattelites, castro's cuba, hugo chavez etc... ) Maoism (china, north korea vietnam, etc...)and fascism (Mussolini, Hitler, Khomeni's Iran, Franco's spain etc...) are all Socialism.

really you need to read something other than lefty blog posts.

http://www.marxists.org/archive/trotsky/works/1944/1944-fas.htm

you see, socialism, the ideology you are so enamoured of, is a corruption of communism. socialism is intended to be a stepping stone to the utopian stateless communism envisioned by marx. socialism has been hijacked and made into a self perpetuating authoritarian system by stalin, mussolini and mao. every asshole who followed after them has been simply making small refinements to the socialist system created by those 3 socialist architects who constructed their system on the foundations laid down by marx and engles.

you, as a socialist, are in the company of such great thinkers and humanitarians as Pol Pot, Hitler, Kim Il Sung, Fidel Castro, and ayatollah khomeni

you dont even know what marxism is, so how can you claim to not be one, and your assertion thaat leonid trotsky was a fascist is absurd.

communists like trotsky lenin and che guevarra start revolutions and win them, then they get iced by the power hungry socialist strongmen and dictators who then airbrush the communists out of photographs and try to pretend they never existed, or simply betray them to the bolivian secret police.

but then you dont even understand the real meaning of the words you use, so i dont know why im bothering to discuss this issue.

You were talking about Mussolini, and so was I. I don't know why you're trying to pin what I said on Trotsky.

Oh man you have so much wrong in there. I'm not in the company of people like Pol Pot or Castro. They're not communists. Neither is China. I know that's hard for you to understand, nor will you ever understand it, because you don't want to. These are all very different ideologies that share words. That doesn't make them the same. You don't understand the differences. And that's okay. I'm not going to waste 15 minutes explaining something to you that you won't understand nor do you want to understand. But if anything I say gets through to you, I hope it's this: You are wrong about a lot of the things you said. If you truly care about being right, it might be worth revisiting those topics with an open mind. I used to be a right winger, so I know how hard it is. Good luck.

 

[cannabineer]

Anywhere outside the U.S. if you call yourself a libertarian people will think you're a socialist. The Americans made a perversion of the word. It's basically Anarchism and socialism or syndicalism.

But if the focus of libertarianism is not on the liberties of the individual, how can it carry the name? Now i am confused. Wikipedia seconds my definition with the cavil that "Some political scholars assert that in most countries the terms "libertarian" and "libertarianism" are synonymous with left anarchism, and some express disapproval of free-market capitalists calling themselves libertarians.[SUP][11][/SUP]" This does not corroborate imo your claim that the USA definition is the outlier. Fwiw. cn

 

[GOD HERE]

But if the focus of libertarianism is not on the liberties of the individual, how can it carry the name? Now i am confused. Wikipedia seconds my definition with the cavil that "Some political scholars assert that in most countries the terms "libertarian" and "libertarianism" are synonymous with left anarchism, and some express disapproval of free-market capitalists calling themselves libertarians.[SUP][11][/SUP]" This does not corroborate imo your claim that the USA definition is the outlier. Fwiw. cn

Well then look harder. If you go to Europe and call yourself a Libertarian (where the word originated) you'd be considered a socialist or a syndicalist. You're only going to run into it when you talk politics with foreigners. Canada is included in the American view of Libertarian ism, but it's not as common.

I don't know how closely you follow politics but this isn't a mainstream issue nowadays. It was more prevalent in the 30's.