Rob Roy
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Oh you mean the Prussian style schools? Ha ha ha ha ha. Heil Bucky!!
You don't know the origin and rationale behind the school system do you?
Income tax is theft
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Oh you mean the Prussian style schools? Ha ha ha ha ha. Heil Bucky!!
You don't know the origin and rationale behind the school system do you?
Rob Roy
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Og the caveman called, he invented fire. Stop using it. Brackkg his brother invented the wheel, please tell the government to stop using wheels. Intellectual property rights are a slippery slope no?
NLXSK1
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Liberal's talk about the government like it is some private company that created these things while completely ignoring that it was the AMERICAN TAXPAYER that paid for all of it.
We the people.... own all of the inventions paid for by the people... The US government is not a private corporation, not an individual and not GOD...
Too many people have politics and religion 180 degrees. You are supposed to have faith in religion, not government. The liberals have raised politics to be their god...
We the people.... own all of the inventions paid for by the people... The US government is not a private corporation, not an individual and not GOD...
Too many people have politics and religion 180 degrees. You are supposed to have faith in religion, not government. The liberals have raised politics to be their god...
deprave
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the government INVENTED the internet...wow..people actually think that, is that where the Al Gore invented the internet joke came from? Amazing that these governments have so many people hallucinating that they are all powerfull beings with not only authority but intellegence which far surpasses a normal human being. If that is not the definition of brain washed then I don't know what is.
Doer
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No, that is wrong....completely. You are missing the point I think. DARPA Defense Advanced Research Agency
The Al Gore's comments were a joke because this had nothing to do with him,. took place long before him, using concepts he can't even grasps, but he took the credit. That's the joke.
So, long ago, DARPA was tasked with designing military communications to solve some problems of "hardness." Highly secure, un-defeatable. Self routing, muit-routing, modular, extensible, and some other things too deep to discuss here.
I mean they may have actually created SkyNet. We just don't know where this will lead. It's emergent. The Internet is like DNA. Pretty useless. But, when it's allowed to do it's emergence thing, Holy Gravy of all types.
The govt did not invent WWW....we did. Well I was 4th row spear carrier. 2rd row now! I moved up.
So, it's tech jargon that I speak better than English these days, so I'm trying not to boar you.
Everything we do is on the Internet. It's protocol stack has not changed at bit, DARPA invented that STACK of protocol layers, and other things have been tried. This works better. So we build on it. We are not emerging it. It is emergent on it's own. We, industry, see potentials gathering from advances in the Hardware. We dream up software to use the new hardware....then for years we would just throw tech at customers and see what emerges. Then gather all that usage we didn't intend, and most certainly could not plan for.
From all that "need" analysis we design more hardware. All these investments are mostly private now, but, back in the 60s the Defense Lab came up with TCP/IP. However, the Internet has it's own life and own peragaotives and may well become SkyNet.
Please don't think the www and the internet are two different things. They are not. WWW emerged. I know by know the guys that put it together.
My first Company Sun Microsystem, contributed many things. XML, Java, SPARC processors. But, SUN is an accompany. Stanford Unix Network. (I haven't even spoken about operating systems)
Take TCP/IP, this new thing from Bell Labs, UNIX, and a trick little technique just emerging called Ethernet.
Shake in the Motarola 68000 microprocessor and you have nothing.
Labor over C code to teach the the processor to speak Ethernet. Almost there. Only possible with UNIX, this is 1979. Get two, from Vinods to Andy's office run that big fat old Ethernet cable that was about $1OO a foot between them and see if you can get the equivalence of Alexander Ghram Bell and his first telephone call to the other room.
They did. A few years later I was hired to spread the word we had invented Ethernet networking on microprocessor. Robert Metcalf at Zerox had just invented Ethernet in 1973. And we built a $20 B Company that ran for almost 30 years, by inventing our own processor, SPARC.
deprave
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My comments weren't really directed at you, however Darpa contracted PEOPLE that already had the idea , the GOVERNMENT did not INVENT TCP/IP, TCP/IP was invented by people, it was designed before that contract.
Mr Neutron
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dumb dee dumb dumb, DUMB
Doer
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1) I don't care who you direct comments to. It is an open forum.
2) the Funders, the employers, own the patents and are the "inventors." (not the engineers)
3) Robert Kahn, invented TCP, while working for ARPA. (later DARPA) In 1972, he began work at the Information Processing Techniques Office (IPTO) within ARPA. In the fall of 1972, he demonstrated the ARPANET by connecting 20 different computers at the International Computer Communication Conference, "the watershed event that made people suddenly realize that packet switching was a real technology."[SUP][6][/SUP]
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You seem like a nice guy, but when you don't know, you don't. And when I tell something about the Computer Biz, I've spent the last 30 years in, you can believe it. OK? He brought in the idea of packet switching, he put together a TCP/IP stack and demonstrated it.
That is invention, the physical demonstration of the patents. Ideas are not inventions.
Doer
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Well, that doesn't mean anything to me but the actual word...and I hope you are not self-referring.
UncleBuck
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that's actually the whole point aS we throw rotten tomatoes at the mooches.
UncleBuck
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so the GOVERNMENT took the necessary steps to turn the idea into a reality?
that's exactly what we're saying.
Doer
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Everyone should know by now, I don't even see the USA government as a THEM. If you asked any of them, they would say they are WE.
Just look at the history. WE almost lost, war after war, but we didn't somehow. And by 1812 we had a Navy that the mighty British were afraid of.
Not conscripted. Kick ass, naval warrior volunteers. And do we remember what that dust up was about? British conscripting our citizens on the high seas, into their warships to fight our ally, France! That is fucked up.
So, not much of a federal govt yet, but, WE needed the equivalent of about a modern Billion dollars for Frigates or we were doomed.
All the States chipped in, we almost broke the bank, but we won the Sea War, and claimed "you will fear us."
It has not been different since then, even with Federal income tax. WE decide how to spend it. Not THEY. Don't bitch. Vote and get involved till you stop bitching and see what a real bitch self rule actually is. Whining is stupid when you can just look this stuff up, like I do.
And ARPA and all before that began with the building of the USS President and USS Constitution, the highest tech of the day.
WE always have the highest tech fielded since then. And WW2 also, WE barely won, and that was about Nukes and was won with the very first computers.
You are benefiting from WE regardless.
Just look at the history. WE almost lost, war after war, but we didn't somehow. And by 1812 we had a Navy that the mighty British were afraid of.
Not conscripted. Kick ass, naval warrior volunteers. And do we remember what that dust up was about? British conscripting our citizens on the high seas, into their warships to fight our ally, France! That is fucked up.
So, not much of a federal govt yet, but, WE needed the equivalent of about a modern Billion dollars for Frigates or we were doomed.
All the States chipped in, we almost broke the bank, but we won the Sea War, and claimed "you will fear us."
It has not been different since then, even with Federal income tax. WE decide how to spend it. Not THEY. Don't bitch. Vote and get involved till you stop bitching and see what a real bitch self rule actually is. Whining is stupid when you can just look this stuff up, like I do.
And ARPA and all before that began with the building of the USS President and USS Constitution, the highest tech of the day.
WE always have the highest tech fielded since then. And WW2 also, WE barely won, and that was about Nukes and was won with the very first computers.
You are benefiting from WE regardless.
ChesusRice
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1979 I was taking a course in basic programming. I ran my programs thru a modem you put the handset of a phone in and I was hooked up the the U of I in Urbana illinois. My monitor was a teletype machine
Doer
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Well, there you go. Have you ever run a punch card deck? You know a 30 pound box of IBM cards? I used to have a marked set. Yeah. We'd mark them so we could do various trouble shooting runs. I've been working on this stuff before you could even call it much at all, by today's standards.
So, you know full well, this has computer THING has been a crazy struggle from the beginning. It was not planned. It also, emerged.
Sometimes I wonder. What if Alan Turning had nothing to do? If the Nazi were not intent on nuking everyone? (one story is that first A-bomb was heading for Germany, but we accepted their surrender)
Important things are born or war and peace. Seems only natural. But, when is this peace, btw?
So, you know full well, this has computer THING has been a crazy struggle from the beginning. It was not planned. It also, emerged.
Sometimes I wonder. What if Alan Turning had nothing to do? If the Nazi were not intent on nuking everyone? (one story is that first A-bomb was heading for Germany, but we accepted their surrender)
Important things are born or war and peace. Seems only natural. But, when is this peace, btw?
ChesusRice
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I had a commodore 64 and a cassette deck if that countsWell, there you go. Have you ever run a punch card deck? You know a 30 pound box of IBM cards? I used to have a marked set. Yeah. We'd mark them so we could do various trouble shooting runs. I've been working on this stuff before you could even call it much at all, by today's standards.
So, you know full well, this has computer THING has been a crazy struggle from the beginning. It was not planned. It also, emerged.
Sometimes I wonder. What if Alan Turning had nothing to do? If the Nazi were not intent on nuking everyone? (one story is that first A-bomb was heading for Germany, but we accepted their surrender)
Important things are born or war and peace. Seems only natural. But, when is this peace, btw?
Doer
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Oh yes. My first was a Texas Instuments 94 and a cassette. It counts, for sure. But, I took a look at the Apple 1 at Heathkit a few years before and just could not really get what a computer was...nor could the guy at the store....huh.....BASIC?....ok, what is that? Green screen, numbers...hmmmmm.
Back over to the Class A Amp kits, then? OK.
Back over to the Class A Amp kits, then? OK.
Doer
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Why be hatin' if you cin be ole timin' with us? Tell me more? Down in a basement, right?
ChesusRice
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I'm working with my daughter with a Elenco 300-1 electronics lab I got her 3 weeks ago. Should of just gotten a breadboard power supply and a meter. The kit is shit. And Radio Shack sucks total ass these days
NLXSK1
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Naah, in this big room without windows. You knew when it got to be around 2 am because all the nerds started getting giddy with sleep deprivation.
Lots and lots of cubicles where giant reams of computer paper would be placed for pickup.
Screw up one line and *error in .... *
Edit the code, re-submit and wait minutes to hours depending on the CPU load.
Rinse, repeat...