Lets talk about the war on drugs..

[Rob Roy]

Im not wishing for anything i would like the government to stay out of people's business, however they dont. I was just pointing out how hypocritical it all is that they say we are protecting people from drugs and yet most kids are addicted to sugar.

Sorry if I misunderstood your point. I agree that obesity is a problem. High fructose corn syrup, doesn't even get you high and is hard to light.

 

[oldtimer54]

My thoughts on legalization are this.......untill one of the states where it is legal medically pushes back against the Feds and fights for their rights and I do mean fight to do as their population voted it will never be any better than it is right now.........I wish I felt differently about this. I dont think I will live long enough to see True legalization not this veil of legalization that we have now

 

[Mr Neutron]

My thoughts on legalization are this.......untill one of the states where it is legal medically pushes back against the Feds and fights for their rights and I do mean fight to do as their population voted it will never be any better than it is right now.........I wish I felt differently about this. I dont think I will live long enough to see True legalization not this veil of legalization that we have now

Nullification. It's a growing movement. See: http://www.10thamendmentfoundation.org/

 

[Harrekin]

Shit, I thought there was an apostrophe in the title.

I came here for "Lets talk about the war, on drugs".

Im out.

 

[Doer]

War is conducted on drugs despite the best efforts. Thus it is ever so.

 

[cannabineer]

OK, so the point of this thread is finding out when you think the war on drugs will end, if ever, and what will be the cause of it

I see legalization efforts for cannabis on a daily basis these days, I feel optimistic about at least medicinal legalization nation wide within the decade. I think people are realizing both the exaggerated harmfulness of it as well as the consequences of locking people up for it. The people who don't necessarily support cannabis are even getting on board because locking people up for it wastes resources that could be better spent on violent offenses.

I think the biggest obstacle to ending the war on drugs is the pharmaceutical industry and their lobbyists. I'm not sure how the war on that front will be won, but they've got billions of dollars to spend on influencing politicians. There's still a big stigma for politicians to come out and speak freely about the war on drugs, I don't think middle America would be quite on board with ending it as they are with legalizing cannabis, but what would ending it entirely even do? Do we want all drugs to be legal and regulated like alcohol? Do we want all drugs to be legal, but not regulated or manufactured by legitimate businesses? Would that "send the wrong message [to kids]"?

I want all drugs to be completely legal and just leave the social stigmas around to turn people off against them. I use myself as an example, even if heroin was legal, I have no interest in using it or trying it, it's something I've been told can't be matched, an "orgasm x's 1000!", and still, no interest because I know and understand the damage it can cause to my body, relationships and life. I think if kids understand the consequences and get educated by people who have a vested interest in what is true and not scare tactics they'll listen.

Overall, the benefits to ending the war on drugs, in my opinion, far outweigh any perceived moral obligation someone might feel to keep drugs illegal. There is really no legitimate justification for continuing the war on drugs, especially now, considering all the evidence and data collected.


What do you think?

I don't think the pharma industry is the heavy here. The real "follow the money" trail ends with the prison industry imo. cn

ceterum censeo heroin isn't like an orgasm, but it's much like sliding into a perfect tub of hot scented water. cn

 

[Mr Neutron]

I don't think the pharma industry is the heavy here. The real "follow the money" trail ends with the prison industry imo. cn

ceterum censeo heroin isn't like an orgasm, but it's much like sliding into a perfect tub of hot scented water. cn

IMO... big pharma, the prison industry, federal law enforcement, state law enforcement, local law enforcement, the courts, the lawyers and the military have enriched themselves participating in this fraud. They all support the war on drugs because they're too dependent upon it.
The problem hinges on those that sell their public trust. If it weren't for corrupt lawmakers, there wouldn't be a drug war to exploit.

 

[Doer]

IMO... big pharma, the prison industry, federal law enforcement, state law enforcement, local law enforcement, the courts, the lawyers and the military have enriched themselves participating in this fraud. They all support the war on drugs because they're too dependent upon it.
The problem hinges on those that sell their public trust. If it weren't for corrupt lawmakers, there wouldn't be a drug war to exploit.

well, without the lawmakers of any ilk, the Warlord would be corrupting your daughter quite unpleasantly, and that's his law....subject to change with no notice.

 

[Mr Neutron]

well, without the lawmakers of any ilk, the Warlord would be corrupting your daughter quite unpleasantly, and that's his law....subject to change with no notice.

... and that would be different... how?

 

[Doer]

Only in the limits, on the level of violence. That really one of the only differences.

The rule of Law is not as arbitrary or as subject to change as Warlord. Seems pretty close sometimes, I agree, but is a clear step up from the most arbitrary violence. We do get to vote or protest or erupt into the streets, even. None of that is allowed by warlords, like in Burma.

Thanks for letting make the point I forgot to add.

 

[canndo]

The war on drugs is a symptom. The disease is "people that want to control others that harm nobody." This disease manifests in many ways.

As far as the war on drugs some people think "taxing and regulating" is an accomplishement. I think it doesn't drive out the disease, instead it seeks permission for self ownership, which is facially a contradiction.

And wishing to control or manipulate others is a symptom of fear, and fear is manipulated by politicians. The war on drugs came about through one ups manship and the weeping mother effect.

 

[ginwilly]

I hear this a lot, "If I didn't have kids, I would say legalize drugs, but because of them I can't".

So their need to control their children's lives spills into our children's lives. It's tough to get around the emotional argument, facts and common sense need not apply.

 

[canndo]

The war on drugs is a symptom. The disease is "people that want to control others that harm nobody." This disease manifests in many ways.

As far as the war on drugs some people think "taxing and regulating" is an accomplishement. I think it doesn't drive out the disease, instead it seeks permission for self ownership, which is facially a contradiction.

I fear you don't really understand what power over others really is.

And wishing to control or manipulate others is a symptom of fear, and fear is manipulated by politicians. The war on drugs came about through one ups manship and the weeping mother effect.

 

[Mr Neutron]

I fear you don't really understand what power over others really is.

And wishing to control or manipulate others is a symptom of fear, and fear is manipulated by politicians. The war on drugs came about through one ups manship and the weeping mother effect.

deja vu all over again...

 

[Rob Roy]

I fear you don't really understand what power over others really is.

And wishing to control or manipulate others is a symptom of fear, and fear is manipulated by politicians. The war on drugs came about through one ups manship and the weeping mother effect.

I fear you are the manager of the Department of Redundancy Department.