Fracking, what's the real deal ?

cannabineer

cannabineer

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ChesusRice said:
Would you drink a glass with all that stuff in it?

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That's the whole point. If they're talking ppb, I call fearmongering. Today's voodoo phrase is "they detected chemicals in it!!" A rhetorical question like yours just seats the harpoon more solidly.

So: in what concentrations? cn
 
cannabineer

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Harrekin said:
Neer, in one of your commonplace "shut up fools" sentences of wisdom...

Can you please tell these people where the chemical elements they use for fracking are originally found?
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Trouble is, I don't know much of that end of the industry. I think however that the BTEX being discussed (benzene, toluene, ethylbenzene and xylenes; 1,2,4-trimethylbenzene is an honorary member) comes from the oil/gas source and not from the water-based mixes used for stressing the rock matrix. cn
 
Harrekin

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cannabineer said:
Trouble is, I don't know much of that end of the industry. I think however that the BTEX being discussed (benzene, toluene, ethylbenzene and xylenes; 1,2,4-trimethylbenzene is an honorary member) comes from the oil/gas source and not from the water-based mixes used for stressing the rock matrix. cn
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Either way tho, where did those chemicals all come from originally?

I suspect, below the surface of the ground ;)
 
Doer

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UncleBuck said:
he can just move his trailer anyway.
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Well, you can move the trailer to where they are fraking. Fuel will soon be very cheap there. Why not have fraking several miles below my house. I just checked my CCRs. Yep, I own the mineral rights to the very core.
 
Doer

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Harrekin said:
Either way tho, where did those chemicals all come from originally?

I suspect, below the surface of the ground ;)
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Well, I know what you mean. And the Daemon vacated without providing any links. Benzene will kill you. It is the main carcinogen in processed cig tobacco. BHO, btw, I've never see it sampled without a few percent of Benzene left even after the vacuum treatment.

But, this is a pressurizing and fissuring process. Chemicals are not used by the ton like in every other industrial process, as solvents for example. Essentially water hammer. All the so called chemicals have to do with down bore problems with the 90 degree turn in the bore. Lot's of heat and stabilizers are needed for the drilling mud. The guy said it takes about 650 to 1000 feet of depth to complete the turn. And that turn can begin perhaps a mile down. The ground water double casing is for the first few thousand feet. Two part concrete cylinder that is massive.

And proprietary is a marketing term. It says you may have exactly the same thing as the other guy but you aren't telling.

Fraking mud is mostly volcanic clay and it mixed to a texture that can be easily handled and can transmit the shock waves. The shock wave force sand and clay slurry into the fractures, slurry can be pumped out, sand holds open the fractures.

There has never been a proven contamination of ground water because of these new cases. OTH, well water all over, contains methane, not all well water of course, but that is not about fraking. It is most usually from the more shallow oil deposit areas.
 
cannabineer

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Doer said:
Well, I know what you mean. And the Daemon vacated without providing any links. Benzene will kill you. It is the main carcinogen in processed cig tobacco. BHO, btw, I've never see it sampled without a few percent of Benzene left even after the vacuum treatment.

But, this is a pressurizing and fissuring process. Chemicals are not used by the ton like in every other industrial process, as solvents for example. Essentially water hammer. All the so called chemicals have to do with down bore problems with the 90 degree turn in the bore. Lot's of heat and stabilizers are needed for the drilling mud. The guy said it takes about 650 to 1000 feet of depth to complete the turn. And that turn can begin perhaps a mile down. The ground water double casing is for the first few thousand feet. Two part concrete cylinder that is massive.

And proprietary is a marketing term. It says you may have exactly the same thing as the other guy but you aren't telling.

Fraking mud is mostly volcanic clay and it mixed to a texture that can be easily handled and can transmit the shock waves. The shock wave force sand and clay slurry into the fractures, slurry can be pumped out, sand holds open the fractures.

There has never been a proven contamination of ground water because of these new cases. OTH, well water all over, contains methane, not all well water of course, but that is not about fraking. It is most usually from the more shallow oil deposit areas.
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I call uh-uh. You might find a few ppt of benzene, but commercial butane is effectively free of aromatics. A few per cent would be likely only if benzene were used as the actual extracting solvent and then indifferently purged. cn
 
Doer

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cannabineer said:
I call uh-uh. You might find a few ppt of benzene, but commercial butane is effectively free of aromatics. A few per cent would be likely only if benzene were used as the actual extracting solvent and then indifferently purged. cn
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OMG....mortified groveling....not ppm ....ppb. Yeah, see stupid does rear its head. <scuff shoe, hang head>
 
cannabineer

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Doer said:
OMG....mortified groveling....not ppm ....ppb. Yeah, see stupid does rear its head. <scuff shoe, hang head>
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No worries.
Keep in mind that the carcinogenicity of benzene is real but not pronounced. It's not 3-methylcholanthrene. It ain't even asbestos. cn
 
Doer

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cannabineer said:
I call uh-uh. You might find a few ppt of benzene, but commercial butane is effectively free of aromatics. A few per cent would be likely only if benzene were used as the actual extracting solvent and then indifferently purged. cn
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Obviously I have not done any extraction yet, but just got a case 3x filtered.

Widely read, and easily scared...better now.
 
Canna Sylvan

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RyanTheRhino said:
I don't see why they need chemical additives. The pressure from the water alone should be good enough.

They say it increases the viscosity of the slurry so the pumps are more efficient, you know what else is viscus MUD.

They say it helps dissolve limestone , why limestone is very weak

The basis is rather simple, pump porous material that oil/gas & and water can seep through into a hole.

The material/ slurry is heavier and takes up space pushing the lighter oil/gas to the surface. I really don't see the need for chemicals
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Because the bottle water company gives fracking companies bribes to pollute the public water supply.
 
Doer

Doer

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RyanTheRhino said:
I don't see why they need chemical additives. The pressure from the water alone should be good enough.

They say it increases the viscosity of the slurry so the pumps are more efficient, you know what else is viscus MUD.

They say it helps dissolve limestone , why limestone is very weak

The basis is rather simple, pump porous material that oil/gas & and water can seep through into a hole.

The material/ slurry is heavier and takes up space pushing the lighter oil/gas to the surface. I really don't see the need for chemicals
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These muds do funny things under pressure and maintaining viscosity is tricky.
 
diet coke

diet coke

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nothing wrong with fracking. all the stories about lighting you tap water on fire are fake or naturally occurring methane gas. get over it
 
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