Fracking, what's the real deal ?

[Doer]

Exactly....my big fear as a kid, living in FL, (well just one of many) was the part about earthquakes where the ground opens up drops you in and then slams shut again.

But, wow....that doesn't happen. (being part of a landslide doesn't count) But, sinkholes are real deal.

 

[Red1966]

"Baseless"? "Gain"? So lighting your sinkwater on fire, or having your land ruined is "baseless"? How about cancer? Is that good enough reason for concern? Go visit Pennsylvania. Whatever you say, guy.

You do know the famous tap water fire video was a location where the tap water burned before they did any fracking, ever?

 

[Harrekin]

You do know the famous tap water fire video was a location where the tap water burned before they did any fracking, ever?

I say frack them, who buys a house in a location where tap water burns as the norm?

Thats pretty "window-licker" if you ask me.

 

[LadyZandra]

I have friends who have had their water change from "potable" to "Combustible" once fraking was done in the area.. LONG after they'd been living there...

all I know is... if your water smells like gas and ignites-- something aint right... period...

no politics- no $$ vs "The People"... yes we need the energy-- but Fix it-- make it right!!!

 

[Doer]

Well, are they doing deep injection waste water disposal? Is there gas and oil drilling nearby?

To treat it scientifically you'd.....but, this politics.

 

[Red1966]

Don't worry guys and gals. People are just blowing this out of proportion and exaggerating. FYI when the water comes back out of the ground, these companies DO NOT always truck away the waste water 100% of the time. They will just dump it wherever the fuck they please. Fact.

While you're spouting "facts", you might cite your sources, since you seem to have trouble determining what is true and what you want to be true.

 

[Red1966]

really? that looks pretty factual to me. Listen guy. Read above. I have worked for and been involved in fracking working for an oil company. You sound JUST like people i used to work with. Go ahead and trust the oil companies to look after your drinking water. They chemicals pumped into the ground would have never made it into the drinking water in the first place.

"Looks"? Pumping gas at the local gas station doesn't mean you worked for an oil company. You're no expert. Quit trying to pretend you are.

 

[Red1966]

Are tons of chemicals NOT pumped into the ground? You're implying the EPA's standards are protecting us? I'm confused about what is is you think.

So you don't know what "chemicals"? Kinda short on details. We think you're clueless, but trying to pretend you know what you're talking about.

 

[Red1966]

“Many chemical components of hydraulic fracturing fluids used by the companies were listed on the MSDSs as “proprietary” or “trade secret.” The hydraulic fracturing companies used 93.6 million gallons of 279 products containing at least one proprietary component between 2005 and 2009. …In these cases, it appears that the companies are injecting fluids containing unknown chemicals about which they may have limited understanding of the potential risks posed to human health and the environment.” Yeah. they are so non-harmful and safe, they wont even disclose them.

Obviously bullshit. Regulations concerning MSDS do not allow exemptions for "proprietary" materials.

 

[Red1966]

I'm waiting for your facts disproving the harmful effects of fracking.

So you make claims about fracking that you obviously have no clue about, and then state others must prove you wrong? You made the claim, it's up to you to prove it.

 

[Red1966]

“In addition, the hydraulic fracturing companies injected more than 30 million gallons of diesel fuel or fracturing fluids containing diesel fuel in wells in 19 states.” In a 2004 report, the EPA stated that the use of diesel fuel in fracturing fluids poses the greatest threat to underground sources of drinking water. How about those standards?

What "standard" are you referring too? None in your post.

 

[Red1966]

Among the list of carcinogens used are formaldehyde (also a hazardous air pollutant), diesel, naphthalene and chemicals in the BTEX compound group (benzene, toluene, ethylbenzene and xylene). ”The BTEX compounds appeared in 60 hydraulic fracturing products used in the 5-year period and were used in 11.4 million gallons of hydraulic fracturing fluids.” Most of those tainted fluids, 9.5 million gallons of the 11.4 million, were used in Texas. Less than 100,000 gallons were used in Pennsylvania and West Virginia.

"Most of those tainted fluids," were, in fact, plain water.

 

[Red1966]

You have not presented ONE single fact in disproving the harmful affects of fracking. Im waiting. The facts stated above are an investigation by the EPA and said Reps.

"You have not presented ONE single fact" proving your statements. It's not up to us to disprove your claim, it's up to you to prove it.

 

[Red1966]

This is all quite factual, but you keep stating it is not. I guess you know better than the EPA and these Reps. Last fall, the EPA released a report showing that fracking had contaminated groundwater in Wyoming, sparking a deluge of speculation about water pollution as a consequence of natural gas extraction. The evidence was used to back a claim that Pennsylvania water wells were polluted with methane. The New York Times' own investigation in the state showed levels of radiation well beyond federal drinking-water standards. In places like Texas, it's harder to get evidence, which some suspect is because of conflicts of interest. There are 29 states with fracking in some stage of development or activity. Here is a map showing the location of U.S. shale gas plays, or shale formations in which natural gas is trapped (data from the Energy Information Administration (EIA) courtesy of data.fractracker.org):

The Pennsylvania decision was overturned after it was proven that the groundwater contained natural gas prior to fracking in the area. But you don't want to hear that.

 

[Red1966]

Since Garfield County, Colorado has experienced fracking development, residents who live within a half mile of the natural gas wells have been exposed to air pollutants, like the carcinogen benzene and toxic hydrocarbons known to cause respiratory and neurological problems, according to a three-year study from the Colorado School of Public Health. Colorado allows companies to drill for natural gas within 150 feet of homes, so nearby residents could be facing acute and chronic health problems like leukemia in the long-term. Hydraulic fracturing involves pumping massive amounts of water into the earth's crust to break apart rock, so it should be no surprise that small earthquakes that have occurred in Ohio and Arkansas have been linked to nearby wastewater wells. The wastewater wells take in the water used to fracture the rock, and because the water is thousands of feet underground, it is under very high pressure. Since thousands of these new wells are being developed in populated areas, even small earthquakes are alarming for most of these areas haven't been seismically active in the past.

Yeah, Colorado, mere inches from the LARGEST CALDERA on Earth, isn't seismically active.

 

[Red1966]

Stop whining. You are just jealous you can't start your drinking water on fire

I have found that my favorite bottled water (Bacardi) can quite easily be set afire.

 

[NLXSK1]

I have found that my favorite bottled water (Bacardi) can quite easily be set afire.

If there is water in that it must be from fracking

 

[Doer]

"Most of those tainted fluids," were, in fact, plain water.

Almost tainted. Everything except distilled water is almost tainted, right? It is only political to be talking about poisons and then "large quantities" in the same breath.

Outside politics it's better to be meaningful. All the regulatory agencies are meaningful, measurable.

How come we never see the concentrations of all these taints, only the large quantities of Fear?

This is the energy Independence we all have been taught to wish for, isn't it?

Oh, I hope you didn't really fall for the Solarwindfarmbiodiesel....That can't work. That's just to get us ready for this.

 

[Red1966]

I have friends who have had their water change from "potable" to "Combustible" once fraking was done in the area.. LONG after they'd been living there... all I know is... if your water smells like gas and ignites-- something aint right... period... no politics- no $$ vs "The People"... yes we need the energy-- but Fix it-- make it right!!!

"I have friends who have had their water change"-bullshit.

 

[UncleBuck]

What "standard" are you referring too? None in your post.

*to

should have learned that one in second grade, stormfront red.

maybe if you hadn't stormfronted your poor kids, you could have helped them with that lesson.