Sannies 'Sugar Punch' grow.

[Bigby]

Some pictures of Stinky Girl - day 60 of 12/12. She's pretty close to ready, about 70% cloudy trichs. I flushed her a week ago with 30 litres of water (with just a little 'Bloom' in the last bit) - watered with plain water today. I will let her go another week or so, harvest around week 10.



She is a very impressive plant. Would have to be the mummy if I was choosing a keeper from the girls I'm flowering at the moment. Comparatively short and compact, massive and pretty foxtail flowers, and a sublime cheese/skunk sweet coffee haze smell. Workable flower time of 10 weeks too. Only thing I haven't tested is her full strength smoke - I have that to look forward to.

 

[Bigby]

I moved Stinky's Sister into a dark room last night at lights off - 48 hours in there before I harvest her. This left room in the flower tent for the first of the bushy trained girls. Here's a few pics of the flower tent with the new girl in there and a 125W CFL hanging down above her.

 

[Bigby]

With more room in the veg area I decided to add a reflector for one of the 125W CFL's. This provides far better coverage for the big bushy Sugar Punch girl who will be getting another week or so before I flower her. The other 125W CFL is still hanging above the month old Kolossus.

 

[Bigby]

Having now had Stinky's Sister (tall hybrid/indica leaning pheno) out of the flower tent, and therefore away from the carbon filter, for some time now, I can testify that she stinks something strong. Right up there with the smelliest I've ever grown. Straight up sweet skunk like you get with good blueberry. Seriously stunk out my entire home. She's drying without carbon filter too - I might have to invest in a drying tent with small carbon filter! LOL There are a lot of fully purple calyx's on her, but I struggle to get them to come out in pictures.

I think I will harvest her tomorrow. I will post some final pics and harvest pics when I do. Can't wait to try her scissor hash!

 

[Bigby]

Some pics of Stinky's Sister just before harvest. I've included a couple of scale items I will use for the harvest pics of all 3 phenos.



The scissor hash with a little bit of quick dry trim blew my head off. Really euphoric! Happy days!

 

[Sativied]

Good job man, Stinky Girl's buds look very familiar, smoking buds now that looked pretty much the same. I had one like her sis (the more indica pheno), and although it's not so hazy and the effect is less in every way, it's still a good tasting smoke. The hazy phenos dried much faster (because of their fox-tailish buid, few leaves) than the indica pheno.

Haven't read through all the pages, but based on what I read you nailed it this round. Enjoy the results - if only I could post the smell of my living room right now

Edit: my SP harvest has been curing for a month now, it's genuinely amongst the best I've ever smoked in terms of taste and effect (probably also because I went 100% organic, super clean and soft smoke).

 

[Bigby]

Thanks dude, appreciated.

I'm just starting to enjoy Stinky's Sister. I took her a little early - she could probably have gone another week. But I like up sativa effects, so early harvested Indica dom/hybrids are fine with me. The effect is more to the stone than the high, but every hit I have of her makes me giggle and experience euphoria. And like you say, she is super tasty, and smelly, real blueberry 'One' (and this is pre cure, not even fully dried). I will do a proper smoke report when all the girls have finished.

Now...for some pics of both the other properly flowering girls (I will post pictures of the now fully flowering trained girl for when she's been in the flower tent for 2 weeks - so the difference will be more striking).

 

[Bigby]

Here's Stinky Girl at day 66 of 12/12. She could be harvested now and be fine. Still 25% clear trichs though, and no amber that I can see. She will be taken as long as she needs (but the first amber I see will mean the chop for her). I would normally be a little concerned about bud rot with such a huge main cola plant, but my humidity is super low, and I disinfected the tent about 3 weeks ago. If she goes 11 weeks I will not be troubled at all, she is just packing on more and more weight.



Some real bud porn amongst those pics I think you'll agree!

And these are pretty much just as good imo.

 

[Bigby]

Tall Hazey Lady - day 66 of 12/12. She is becoming more vigorous as she gets older. I think she really benefitted from the late Cal/Mag and low dose 'Grow' .The newer growth is greener and the fan leaves have stopped being discoloured. Easily possibly for this pheno to go 90 days imo. I will keep checking her trichs readiness and main cola for bud rot - and harvest when I judge her to be ready (I would like to lower the light a little I must admit, but won't let that force me to take her early). As a matter of note - this plant is 4ft 6in tall, and the main cola is 16 inches tall. She will yield tons and tons.



Some of the calyx's on her are fully purple. I don't really want to give her too low temps (minimum so far of dead on 60). It's difficult to get the colour to come out in pics, but you can make it out in some of these.

 

[glockdoc]

im sure i already asked u but what kind of light u using again?
looking great like always man too keep up the hard work

 

[Bigby]

I've got an air cooled 600W HPS in the flower tent. The tall hazey lady means the light is currently at it's maximum height. I also put a 125W blue CFL hanging in there when I added the trained girl from the veg area - this is hanging a few inches above her canopy. I will switch this to a red CFL after 3 weeks once stretch has stopped.

The veg area currently has two 125W blue CFL in there - although I occasionally throw a red one in there for some spectral variety.

 

[glockdoc]

ah ic. hows the temps with all the watts in the flower cab

 

[Bigby]

ah ic. hows the temps with all the watts in the flower cab

This time of year is perfect for me. I manage to keep the temps at mid to low 60's lights on and off (heater in room lights off) - and humidity mid 20's to mid 30's. This lack of variation between lights on and lights off temps is perfect to stop excess stretching with the new girls getting put in there to flower. Highest temp I've had was 71; 2 weeks ago during lights on. Lowest was just nudging 59 during lights off - but I think I caught that by putting the heater on in the room.

 

[Bigby]

A little report on the first of the long veg Sugar Punch Girls to have been moved to the flower tent. This is a picture of her. Not sure what age she was in this picture, but she was flowered at week 12.5 of veg (which is about the point this pic was taken, roughly).



I want to save off posting pics of where she's at now, so the difference will be more striking when I do. She has been under 12/12 (well, nearer 11.75/12.25 as that's what my timer is on) for 7 days now. And is well and truly flowering and has been pretty much right from the start. Heavy pistil appearance from day 5 after the switch from veg to flower, with long hairs right down to the fifth node on most branches.

After 7 days of 12/12 she has now developed 25 tops. There is a 2 inch variation between heights of these, with them evenly distributed around the canopy. One anomaly is at at one end where a cluster of five tops are 2 inches below the main canopy average. I may hang weights from these tops should stretching take off properly to even it all out.

I have my suspicions that she is the same pheno as Tall Hazey Lady (THL) in this grow. Still too early to tell though. THL stretched for about 4 weeks and X4. To account for that I put this new girl into the flower tent the day after having been tied down. It took the tops 5 days to turn around to the light (with the lower branches developing into new tops). They have all turned around now and have begun stretching for the last 2 days. The tallest point of the canopy - which is two tops of exactly equal height - is 17 inches. Her width is 30 inches or so right around.

I will wait till she has been in the flower tent for 21 days and then post new pictures of her.

Her sister who is still veggging is bigger in every way and has been from the start. Not too much on her now, just that she has 34 tops right now; and will be tide down once more and have a large fan leaf cut off letting light into the centre, before I flower her in about 7 days. Pictures of her to come before I flower her.

 

[Sativied]

I just read something about not posting in journals unless asked, I hope you don't mind me posting again, just let me now if you do.

Temps at 60-70 with 71 max? I hope I'm not stumbling on another major difference between the american and the dutch way, but that is way too low for lights on (good for lights off though). 77-82 is ideal and lower end towards the end.

I was just wondering why there are so many 5-finger leaves instead of 7/9/11 (edit: in last photo) and wondered if you perhaps topped it many times or whether she's not in ideal circumstances. With those temps I lean towards the latter (unless that pic is from start actual flowering instrad of 12/12). It looks like she's a winner though, and compact too with all those tops.

 

[Bigby]

No problem at all with anyone posting anything in here about my grow, or Sugar Punch in general.

I keep my thermometer down low underneath the canopy, which is why I'm getting such even temps. Of course there will be higher peaks right up at the top during lights on - holding the thermometer near an upper flower on the tall girl made it go up to the low 70's.

The girl you mention with the 5 finger leaves from the previous picture was troubled somewhat during veg. I put it down to toxicity, primarily from Nitrogen - but also just too high ppm. She was tied down multiple times; I didn't top her, but I did remove all growth that was effected by burning from the toxicity.

If you look at pictures of the other trained girl who was fully healthy and vigorous throughout, there are 7 finger leaves all over the place;


Glad you raised the point though. I think the Kolossus I have in the veg area has 9 finger leaves - so maybe it is a temp issue. I'm not monitoring the temps in the veg area but can only imagine them to be low. The more Indica leaning Kolossus would be one possible reason she is doing better, compared to the more sativa leaning sugar punch. Not really worried though tbh, I wanted to veg them slowly - so as not to run out of room

 

[Sativied]

My sativa-doms tend to have more fingers than indicas, but that might just be me or a coincidence. I'm no expert by any means, but it should go from 1 to 3 to 5 to 7 to 9 and then in good cases even higher. If I get two layers of 5 or 7 even I consider it as a sign they are not as comfortable as they can be. That's based on what I was told years ago and I frankly don't know how much truth there is in it and what exactly causes it.

That said, I'd raise the temp a bit in any case if possible. Maybe turn off/lower a fan for a few hours to let it peak higher during lights on. Besides the ideal light-on temp of high 70's (around top / canopy), a larger difference between night and day temp they will like as well (down to 65 roughly).

I have no doubt those are also roughly the temps SP was 'developed' in and therefore should be grown in (77-82 during light on is one of the most common recommendations in Sannie's dutch forum - the cliche that usually follows: they are tropical plants). To put it differently, it's what we call netherweed partly because it's climatized to those (our summers' best and indoor closets') temps.

I'd do it gradually do, in your case sort of like letting them go from spring to summer temps. Same for when lights go on, raise it half a foot for half an hour or turn fan higher so thye gradualy go from night to day temp (same for day to night).

 

[Bigby]

I genuinely do appreciate your input. Having now thoroughly checked the girl concerned, she does have pretty much all 5 blade leaves - there are only 2 x 7 blade leaves I can see and they are lower fan leaves which have a little of the effects of the toxicity but not enough for me to have cut them off. I knew I was putting her into flower without her being in full health - I hoped the stress would inhibit stretch. Your observation has enabled me to see that she has fully gone into flower with only 5 blade leaves - I'm not sure if I'd have noticed if you hadn't said. Too late now for more fingers to the leaves to develop - she still looks like she should produce decent flowers/buds in spite of it all.

My reasons for keeping the temps lower right now are sort of three fold. Firstly it's cold here in the UK right now. Secondly and the first of my choices is that there are signs of colour in the tall pheno and I was trying to bring it out with the cold. Thirdly I wanted the buds to be as dense as possible, especially on the tall girl who I hear reports/complaints of potential airiness. I totally take your point though, low to mid 70's is perfect lights on in flower - mid to high 80's is fine for veg imo. One final thing that causes me concerns from higher temps is that I usually end up with higher humidity and I hate bud rot. Considering getting a dehumidifier or an AC unit to address this worry - as I do take your temp point seriously.

One final point, having checked. The big bushy vegging sugar punch girl who is in full health has all 7 blade leaves, as does the Kolossus who is younger by 8 weeks (the Kolossus actually has a couple of 9). So maybe it was the toxicity on the effected girl that produced the low blade number, rather than environmental factors. I just don't think I gave her a chance to recover before flowering her (semi deliberately).

 

[Sativied]

she still looks like she should produce decent flowers/buds in spite of it all.

Yes I agree, great looking plant nonetheless.

I entirely understand your reasoning for the temps. That's also why I used "I would" several times, as I'm merely saying what I would do, not knowing all the circumstances and reasons.

I hate bud rot

Fortunately never had it indoors (which with only a handful indoor grows doesn't mean much), I can understand you want to avoid it, but it's high humidity combined with "low" temps that cause bud rot to thrive. Wanting to avoid bud rot is only more reason to raise the temp. Combined with good ventilation only though. Seems my Ruck ventilator combined with having central heating in the room prevents that. I use a mist maker, even at early flowering stage, because humidity is otherwise only at 20-30%. Keeping the difference between night and day temp low and changing it gradually helps prevent bud rot.

I kept a journal of my SP run, about the same time as two others with a similar setup. They both had purple buds near the end, went from green to purple very fast, and surprisingly late. I have no experience of knowledge about trying to bring that out by low temps, but they definitely had lower temps than they wanted/planned (cause it was Jan/Dec, hence cold) when it happened. If you like I could PM you the urls of those journals (in Dutch but you can see the pics and usually number of weeks flowering or 12/12 without registering), might be interesting just to compare.

 

[glockdoc]

Great insight bro