Magical Broccoli
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Here you go. I trimmed a good deal of leaves off as advised in order for light to penetrate further beyond the canopy.
Can non pollinated female plants still produce seeds?
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Here you go. I trimmed a good deal of leaves off as advised in order for light to penetrate further beyond the canopy.
Magical Broccoli
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They are harder to see details due to the different flowering bulb but it gives a good idea for now. I may start a journal but I dont want any legal ramifications brought my way .
Sativied
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That's the one you removed right??
I also see a small fan in some pics, any pollen would quickly spread across the plants.
Magical Broccoli
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No none of the pictures are the one I removed. That one was destroyed almost a month ago before it opened up . That one isnt shown I destroyed it into such small pieces it fit into a 20 oz pepsi bottle. Cant be to careful.
Sativied
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So why is that male/herma (in first pic) still in there?
Magical Broccoli
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The next grow thats right behind this one I will just make sure to wash my hands before I touch the plants or change clothes if coming in from outside. Right now its in 2 seperate rooms with the cfls but thats only temporary until these plants are done flowering then the hps is going in with the cfls. Its in even more secure area and can be more readily controlled.
BleedsGreen
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That plant right there is why you have seeds! That is a male or hermie at the least, I would say get it out of the room now but odds are pretty good everything you grew has seeds now. Better luck identifying next time.
Magical Broccoli
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Because i didnt know thats what it was since i didnt see any male flowers. I will go check it out. Thanks
Sativied
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Pull a plastic / garbage bag over its head, all the way down, grab the stem while you hold the bag closed tightly and rip it out. Make sure fan is off.
Google 'cannabis male female' and check the Images results in Google for many many examples of how to identify males/hermas early on.
Good luck man.
Google 'cannabis male female' and check the Images results in Google for many many examples of how to identify males/hermas early on.
Good luck man.
Magical Broccoli
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Well there is nothing I can do as of right now. I realize it will have seeds but they are segregated from the other generation of plants. I dont expect to be a expert on my first grow but it will be something I will be more vigilant for in the future. If anything they will be feminized seeds which still is good. Thanks for the advice.
Sativied
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Not to be a jerk, but identifying males is not expert level growing knowledge, really basic and "essential" knowledge that any beginners guide or book will tell you. So rather than assuming stuff like:
I would do a little more research before your next grow. If anything you can prevent making mistakes thousands of others already made before you
or maybe you should not rely on fem'd seeds and learn how to tell the difference between male and female flowers and female plants that sport nanners AND seek out breeders that actively select against females that like to throw nanners. The one regret that I had when young was getting rid of the females that threw nanners. Something about being whipped.
Magical Broccoli
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If a female plant gets pollen from a hermie then the seed has dna thats all female from what ive read. It isnt the other way around where the plant was male and hermied some female traits. You arent being a jerk but the difference between a crappy quality picture in awkward lighting vs seeing them and inspecting up close is different. It is primarily female but now has male characteristics. Since a female plant with male flowers produces female dns and impregnates a female there is no actualy male dna.
Dr Kynes
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if you have seeds. you had pollen.
if you had zero pollen you would have zero seeds.
but of course you could have tracked some stray pollen in on your clothing, it could have drifted in via your ventilation, or you could have a pollen sac hidden deep within your plants and you havent seen it yet.
fuck, the previous tenant of your crib might have had a male plant and the shit is still there in the rug and the central air system from years ago.
when to harvest is your choice. you could even harvest some early and some late, thats what my uncle used to do. early buds get you high as fuck, and later dope stoens you out. as little as a week in either direction can make a big difference in the effect of your dope.
as long as you wait till the plant has peaked, you dont have to wait till a set % of the trichomes turn amber, or you could wait till they all turn. your choice.
Magical Broccoli
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Thanks kynes 
Im still learning. Ive never claimed to be expert but as long as I keep learning thats all it takes is intelligence and the willingness to learn and dedication. Purple I dont think you understood. These were bagseed and not feminized. What I was stating is that the females if they were pollinated by a hermie (mostly female with some male flowers) that the seeds that were produced would be female due to the male flower carrying only female dna. But this is all good advice and kynes you came up with a lot of things I did not consider about how the pollen could exist in this environment. Thank you
Im still learning. Ive never claimed to be expert but as long as I keep learning thats all it takes is intelligence and the willingness to learn and dedication. Purple I dont think you understood. These were bagseed and not feminized. What I was stating is that the females if they were pollinated by a hermie (mostly female with some male flowers) that the seeds that were produced would be female due to the male flower carrying only female dna. But this is all good advice and kynes you came up with a lot of things I did not consider about how the pollen could exist in this environment. Thank you
Dr Kynes
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nope.
it doesnt work that way at all.
"hermaphroditism" is impossible in cannabis plants, they can however become "monoecious", which is making both kinds of flowers on one plant. but saying "Hermie" is easier than explaining the difference.
Fuck Easy.
Most flowering plants that you would recognize as flowers are in fact hermaphroditic, as the flower itself contains both pollen and ova. these are what botanists call "Perfect Flowers"
cannabis makes "Imperfect Flowers" since the flowers have only either male or female organs on a particular flower.
but cannabis takes it to the next level, being "Dioecious" (greek for "two houses", implies that it is incomplete) and each plant produces ONLY male flowers or ONLY female flowers (in theory)
some plants, like good ole' Corn also produce "Imperfect Flowers", but corn has both types of flowers on every plant, thus making it "Monoecious" (again greeek, "one house", implies completeness)
under stress, or sometimes just because "Youre Not The Boss Of Me!" your dope plant will start popping up a few pollen sacks. some plants have a genetic predisposition to become monoecious, others only do it after you beat the living shit out of them, but either way, the worst that will happen if you plant seeds from a self fertilized "hermie" is that you may eventually over generations increase the chance of those plant's descendants becoming fully monoecious (in theory) but that would take many many many generations.
in the short term, self-fertilized "hermie" seeds are not more prone to be female, but they could theoretically be more prone to turning "hermie" on you, or turn with less stress than the parent generations required.
ok I understand what you just said. ha! Yes the progeny are probably genetic females. But my point is that you do not want seed that was produced from a female that has a tendency to throw nanners. Otherwise you wouldn't be in this pickle to begin with (wondering where the fuck did that pollen come from).Thanks kynes
Dr Kynes
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yeah... where the pollen came from aint a mystery no more bro.
he had a big swinging cock of a male, hanging his balls all over the place and knocking up all his ladies. peep this shit:
...And I shall call him Ron Jeremy.
on the upside thats one extremly healthy (and satisfied) male he grew there.
I had two female plants that turned hermi , not too sure the cause. Maybe it was just genetics , maybe it was because I didn't top them at all and thought they were going to get too big for the grow tent so I tied the tops down in flowering or maybe it was because I'd leave the top and bottom flaps of the tent unzipped for some fresh air when in sleep cycle (from 6pm-6am) with light leak from computer standby mode. Maybe all of the above.
Still lessons learned though. I thought the seeds were just the Calyx's waiting to fire up as they still had alot of hairs over them.
Still lessons learned though. I thought the seeds were just the Calyx's waiting to fire up as they still had alot of hairs over them.