BHO with Vacuum oil/wax tutorial
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greenghost420
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how was the smoke before and after you winterized? also can you tell me how cold and how long you kept at freezing temps for your process?
vacpurge
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seriously?
I pulled out a decent chunk of plant waxes from a 14g run that made approx 3g of oil. ill post pictures up tomorrow. this oil is so smooth. I love it. you can inhale again after you exhale the smoke!!!!! no killing lung or chest burn and hurts to breathe for 20 mins with a nasty cough that sometimes makes me throw up I cough so hard.
everclear/winterizing is awesome!!!!
sacrifice some weight, but better on your lungs. im not gonna cheap out and ruin my lungs over a few extra hoots of plant waxes.
vacpurge
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smoke before was fuckin harsh. exhaling made you feel like you were dying.
smoking after was awesome. your lungs still felt fresh, like you didnt even have a hoot... you can inhale again with no pain!!!
I let it sit outside overnight (canada.. winter here still) and she was fuckin chilly. probably -10 or -15 all night.
then poured through a small coffee filter which took forever and I lost a lot of oil in the soaking of the filter with the golden everclear.
also, it was very hard to boil off.. in the vacuum chamber at least. I made a parchment bowl and the everclear soaked through the fuckin parchment paper overnight!!!! I am getting real sick of this parchment paper shit screwing me over.
smoking after was awesome. your lungs still felt fresh, like you didnt even have a hoot... you can inhale again with no pain!!!
I let it sit outside overnight (canada.. winter here still) and she was fuckin chilly. probably -10 or -15 all night.
then poured through a small coffee filter which took forever and I lost a lot of oil in the soaking of the filter with the golden everclear.
also, it was very hard to boil off.. in the vacuum chamber at least. I made a parchment bowl and the everclear soaked through the fuckin parchment paper overnight!!!! I am getting real sick of this parchment paper shit screwing me over.
greenghost420
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im glad you chimed in about the quality of smoke after winterizing. the waxes may not fuck with him but i have asthma. i assumed the harshness of my oil was due to waxes/fats n whatever else gets taken out after winterization.
Guzias1
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loll, you gots the worst parchment luck, and oil spills, where da absolute at?
650baquet
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I enjoy this "intense" feeling i get in my lungs after taking a rip from the bong...if the rip is too big, or i don't pull enough oxygen with the smoke, or i get a stem in there, or i forgot the ice, the hit can be a bit on the nasty side even completely stale tasting. Sometimes that "intense" feeling is followed by what i would call a clinging or congestive feeling on the following inhales, but most times it's not unless i just took my third rip in a row...which is dumb anyways. I'm def going to start winterizing.
I have had Iso soak through parchment paper...almost immediately, it sucked but at least it was just a small test on a second rinse QWIso extraction. Check this out though, my last BHO run with sugar-leaf of TrainWreck
Soaked through the parchment paper????Couldn't see any holes but decent chance there was a small enough one to leak just that much.
What i was able to scrape out of the pan.
Looked more shiny the night before...seems completely waxed up now. This shit taste pretty good and def get me ripped but has a lot of undesirables in it...i can only imagine how good some of the absolutes taste.I've been busy lately so I didn't get around to posting any pics right away. I still don't have much time for RIU currently but I'll keep checking in from my phone.
Can winterizing be done with Iso? I can just buy everclear around the corner which would most likely be better than the MAX91% Iso i can get locally...was 92% like a yr ago but big whoop.
greenghost420
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99% iso is what ill be using to winterize. 91% will work but i dont know if the water content would fuck with the oil.anyone know?
650baquet
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Anybody use an Oil-Slick yet? Not sure how it holds up the the cold temps, but it can def be shaped into a pan to hold butane. Not sure if i commented on it here, but funny thing is I use these same silicon baking pads at my work for cookies...cept orange not green.
If you plan on winterizing the extract all the time maybe just figure out a dish you can blast into and perform the winterizing in, without ever having to mess with parchment paper. Maybe you already know this but it's just stuff that's coming to mind.
Guzias1
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sounds like a good idea. one day ,, oneeeeeeeeee day...
650baquet
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Need a new SS baster. I do a lot of business at ACE so i called them first to see if they had one...nope just 6 varieties of plastic ones haha...then i proceeded to call Walmart, Sears, Target, Shopko, Albertsons, and all only had plastic basters haha. Still haven't actually called BB&B so i guess i'll chill for another 30min, burn one, then call so i don't waist the trip. I just think it's funny how most of these business sell them online or can order one for me but just don't have one in stock damn-it. I'm also going to pick up a SS thermos for my soaks. I wrapped my butane cans in a wet towel and froze them, i'm sure they will stay colder now lol.
Right now i want to compare how much butane i use during a soak vs column run, that is if i'm blasting the column until it runs out clear and if i soak for a fairly long time. I feel like in theory a soak should have the ability to extract more with less butane, that is if barely any butane boils off during the soak(that's all based on the butane having more contact time with the material). Supposed to get down to mid 20Fs at night here soon so i'll do a run then for sure. When it's that cold i can barely see any bubbles forming in the mason jar and the fluid level doesn't really change over 1hr period.
Well i think it's time for me to go get some fresh air and some sun....finally lol! winter sucked this last go around...
Right now i want to compare how much butane i use during a soak vs column run, that is if i'm blasting the column until it runs out clear and if i soak for a fairly long time. I feel like in theory a soak should have the ability to extract more with less butane, that is if barely any butane boils off during the soak(that's all based on the butane having more contact time with the material). Supposed to get down to mid 20Fs at night here soon so i'll do a run then for sure. When it's that cold i can barely see any bubbles forming in the mason jar and the fluid level doesn't really change over 1hr period.
Well i think it's time for me to go get some fresh air and some sun....finally lol! winter sucked this last go around...
sacpirate
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hey guys i blasted about 170 grams on Tuesday night and ill be damned if it wont wax up for me. tried 115° full vac and it muffined slightly but quickly deflated on its own. i then tried no heat on wed evening after 24 unsuccessful hours @115. that did nothing. then tried 125-35-45-55 up to 175 and still nothing but amber oil which is extremely sticky. and suggestions?
vacpurge
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same boat im in. I think you might need to let it sit for like 2 weeks, or more. is the closet ive been after a week was half wax half oil. looked like a yin yang. that the only way youll get it to be dry and crumbly. not that its a good thing.
I would highly recommend winterizing it... put all the oil in a dish of everclear or 99% iso for a half hour, let it dissolve. freezer for 24 hours. pour through unbleached filter, re evap the iso/everclear, THEN smoke that oil and see what its like to be able to actually inhale and breathe again and take 3 or 4 hoots and really get stoned and not be scared youre going to suffocate or cough a lung up.
from what ive read, those plant waxes are seriously dangerous/harmful things to your lungs, and someone correct me if im wrong. spend the extra 30$ on a month worth of everclear, an extra day, and sacrifice 5% in weight and take all that harmful plant wax shit out thats just as bad for you as a fuckin cigarette!!!
I would highly recommend winterizing it... put all the oil in a dish of everclear or 99% iso for a half hour, let it dissolve. freezer for 24 hours. pour through unbleached filter, re evap the iso/everclear, THEN smoke that oil and see what its like to be able to actually inhale and breathe again and take 3 or 4 hoots and really get stoned and not be scared youre going to suffocate or cough a lung up.
from what ive read, those plant waxes are seriously dangerous/harmful things to your lungs, and someone correct me if im wrong. spend the extra 30$ on a month worth of everclear, an extra day, and sacrifice 5% in weight and take all that harmful plant wax shit out thats just as bad for you as a fuckin cigarette!!!
650baquet
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I had some stuff stay kinda gooey after vacuuming. My last stuff, I didn't use my finest screen and it allowed some tiny plant material through. I flattened the too out on parch paper and let it sit over night. Dried right up. Still has to be the harshest shit I've made. Winterizing is def becoming a priority.
sacpirate
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it was actually the best/freshest trim ive ever used and the only time i failed to produce a touchable product which is why im baffeled. taste is great, smell is great, not at all harsh however its not touchable. and ive been smoking those waxes in flowers for 20+ years so im not terribly concerned with that yet. i will begin winterizing next week as ive got some de'lemonine comming. from what ive read on a few other sites, its a far superior organic solvent compared to alcohol.
Guzias1
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we are smoking marijuana plant waxes. How long have you been smoking the ENTIRE plant? Which includes a whole bunch of shit, yet stil, by no means should be compared to a cigarette.
Sacpirate, your current batch of oil will always be sticky, you can try leaving it out, but IMO, the left out to dry oils loose quality aromas. So you are left with goo. You can either dab that with a tool, make into the best edibles ever! Orrr try and find an oil head.. Oooooo if you really want to smoke it, i would say it would be best over a nice bowl of flowers, the oil alone probably taste funny, but on good flowers, well, you got yourself one potent bowlskies!
650baquet
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Still my favorite way to smoke BHO!...but i don't load it so big that i can't take the whole bowl in one rip. I don't like leaving that wee bit of green in the bottom of the bowl because it always tastes like crap trying to burn the rest of it...it usually ends up in the ashtray if i can't finish it in one rip. Always through a water pipe. Never been a fan of anything dry.
It's pretty awesome putting some really heady BHO ontop of some HIGH CBD% herb. Don't expect to be very productive afterwords though lol.
And yes, we have all been smoking flowers for quite some time i'm sure, before being introduced to BHO...and if it's not worse than a cig before turning to BHO, properly purged even unwinterized BHO shouldn't be worse than smoking the whole flower IMO. I felt my lungs were getting more congested from just herb...some herb was worse than others, that's my whole reason for concentrates in the first place. If you use Neem oil a lot or other similar products, wouldn't that shit get rinsed off by butane/iso/whatever solvent??? Think i've mentioned before but i stopped using neem oil after the first couple uses. I just felt it was one more thing that could be getting into my lungs that doesn't need to be.
vacpurge
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I smoked gross joints wrapped in a thick bleached zig zag for almost 10 years. I was young and dumb and didnt know any better. got educated, and went to BHO ONLY for 4-5 month hard. got educated on vac purging.. went to even better, vac purged BHO for a month or so. now learned about winterizing and dont even smoke disgusting flowers and buds and joints anymore. just 1 hoot of a pure, absolute. no garbage going into this guys lungs, smoking small pieces of fan leaf and stems, not to mention the plant waxes. ive read in several places, as im sure we all have, that joints contain as much tar and gunk up your lungs as much as a cigarette (not as many chemicals though). I smoked weed/joint ONLY for 10 years. no cigarettes. and I still not no cardio and my lungs hurt... what else could it be from?
its your lungs not mine. I make good money and am not broke to the point where I gotta sacrifice my lungs to squeeze an extra 3 or 4$ worth of oil weight outta my product. same goes with under purging? I know a guy who under purged for 20 years saying it is fine and not gonna hurt ya. now he has stomach problems the doctor says is from BHO or something . now I know a guy who does purge, but doesnt winterize for 20 years. where do you draw the line as to whats really actually doing harm to you and whats not? until its too late.
turning an oz into 100 dirty, painful hoots versus turning it into 90-95 "healthier" hoots is a no brainer in my books. if you would read around, especially that thread I posted to ICmag, you will see that honeycomb, and anything not winterized or removed plant waxes from it is NOT good on the ol lungs. but I suppose if you dont got a real job or any money for any adrenaline loaded powersports and sit on the couch all day long anyways you dont need a working set of healthy lungs to earn a living and have fun on the weekend.... (no offense to anyone)
some might think im an asshole, but youll wish you listened when its too late. you dont appreciate what ya got till its gone. dont learn that the hard way like many other have done. learn from their mistakes, not your own.
fuck, why not save even a few more bucks and just use 70% iso??? where do you draw the line?? rinse with butane, evap, vac purge, and smoke. thats it? if it sounds too good/easy to be true, it usually is. quit being so fuckin lazy and cheap guys and try this properly for once!
briefly read a few of the first few sample sentences and youll see how big of a problem the waxes are and how many sets of lungs theyve fucked up.
https://www.google.ca/#safe=off&hl=en&sclient=psy-ab&q=plant+waxes+smoking+bho&oq=plant+waxes+smoking+bho&gs_l=hp.3..33i29i30.8834.9261.1.9387.4.4.0.0.0.0.73.284.4.4.0...0.0...1c.1.9.psy-ab.y2r3oNdcqXo&pbx=1&bav=on.2,or.r_cp.r_qf.&bvm=bv.45175338,d.cGE&fp=886c4aac1d06d75a&biw=1241&bih=606
https://www.google.ca/#safe=off&hl=en&sclient=psy-ab&q=plant+waxes+bad+for+lungs&oq=plant+waxes+bad+for+lungs&gs_l=serp.3..33i29i30.2320.6207.0.6288.25.22.0.0.0.0.369.2754.12j8j1j1.22.0...0.0...1c.1.9.psy-ab.9YhyXEJmQOg&pbx=1&bav=on.2,or.r_cp.r_qf.&fp=886c4aac1d06d75a&biw=1241&bih=606
heres the oil that only half waxed up after a week at full vacuum and 120-130F direct oil temp:
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heres the winterized oil. I plan on doing a larger batch with more pictures and weighs before and after.
its your lungs not mine. I make good money and am not broke to the point where I gotta sacrifice my lungs to squeeze an extra 3 or 4$ worth of oil weight outta my product. same goes with under purging? I know a guy who under purged for 20 years saying it is fine and not gonna hurt ya. now he has stomach problems the doctor says is from BHO or something . now I know a guy who does purge, but doesnt winterize for 20 years. where do you draw the line as to whats really actually doing harm to you and whats not? until its too late.
turning an oz into 100 dirty, painful hoots versus turning it into 90-95 "healthier" hoots is a no brainer in my books. if you would read around, especially that thread I posted to ICmag, you will see that honeycomb, and anything not winterized or removed plant waxes from it is NOT good on the ol lungs. but I suppose if you dont got a real job or any money for any adrenaline loaded powersports and sit on the couch all day long anyways you dont need a working set of healthy lungs to earn a living and have fun on the weekend.... (no offense to anyone)
some might think im an asshole, but youll wish you listened when its too late. you dont appreciate what ya got till its gone. dont learn that the hard way like many other have done. learn from their mistakes, not your own.
fuck, why not save even a few more bucks and just use 70% iso??? where do you draw the line?? rinse with butane, evap, vac purge, and smoke. thats it? if it sounds too good/easy to be true, it usually is. quit being so fuckin lazy and cheap guys and try this properly for once!
briefly read a few of the first few sample sentences and youll see how big of a problem the waxes are and how many sets of lungs theyve fucked up.
https://www.google.ca/#safe=off&hl=en&sclient=psy-ab&q=plant+waxes+smoking+bho&oq=plant+waxes+smoking+bho&gs_l=hp.3..33i29i30.8834.9261.1.9387.4.4.0.0.0.0.73.284.4.4.0...0.0...1c.1.9.psy-ab.y2r3oNdcqXo&pbx=1&bav=on.2,or.r_cp.r_qf.&bvm=bv.45175338,d.cGE&fp=886c4aac1d06d75a&biw=1241&bih=606
https://www.google.ca/#safe=off&hl=en&sclient=psy-ab&q=plant+waxes+bad+for+lungs&oq=plant+waxes+bad+for+lungs&gs_l=serp.3..33i29i30.2320.6207.0.6288.25.22.0.0.0.0.369.2754.12j8j1j1.22.0...0.0...1c.1.9.psy-ab.9YhyXEJmQOg&pbx=1&bav=on.2,or.r_cp.r_qf.&fp=886c4aac1d06d75a&biw=1241&bih=606
heres the oil that only half waxed up after a week at full vacuum and 120-130F direct oil temp:
Uploaded with ImageShack.us
heres the winterized oil. I plan on doing a larger batch with more pictures and weighs before and after.
