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kpmarine

kpmarine

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Chartreuse Spruce said:
lol. what? just an fyi. lol but you see, the Bible doesn't say stay with your rapist forever. It is kinda saying if you sleep with someone you will marry them. Rapist were punished in those days with death just like other crimes. Death. and not just death for the offender. Death for the whole family and extended family.
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Not according to the laws god passed to the Israelites; the command is very simple: If you rape an unengaged woman; you must marry her, never divorce her, and pay a fine. Just like he tells them to forcibly take wives from neighboring people and that it's okay to sell your daughter into sex slavery. There was a time when women were property and baby factories.

You're trivializing a very serious thing. Seeing as there are people that believe the bible is completely and totally infallible. There's good stuff in the bible too, but one has to accept that it's got a lot of morally reprehensible acts in the OT.
 
tyler.durden

tyler.durden

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Chartreuse Spruce said:
lol. what? just an fyi. lol but you see, the Bible doesn't say stay with your rapist forever. It is kinda saying if you sleep with someone you will marry them. Rapist were punished in those days with death just like other crimes. Death. and not just death for the offender. Death for the whole family and extended family.
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Really? Links, please...
 
Dr Kynes

Dr Kynes

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kpmarine said:
One of the many verses that prove to me that the bible is not a thing meant to be taken solely on face value:

Deuteronomy 22:28-29
28 If a man find a damsel that is a virgin, which is not betrothed, and lay hold on her, and lie with her, and they be found;
29 Then the man that lay with her shall give unto the damsel's father fifty shekels of silver, and she shall be his wife; because he hath humbled her, he may not put her away all his days.

If you get rape, and aren't engaged. Guess what? The bible says you should be married to your rapist forever. I figure there's two options here: Take it literally. Or, remember that women were once property, and that is a product of a different time.
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yo bro, you forgot, "if they be found..."

if you get away before your caught with your tunic up and your britches down, it's all good. that coulda been anybody's dick.

fuck, it coulda been god's dick! behold the immaculate conception! (it worked once didnt it...?)
 
kpmarine

kpmarine

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Dr Kynes said:
yo bro, you forgot, "if they be found..."

if you get away before your caught with your tunic up and your britches down, it's all good. that coulda been anybody's dick.

fuck, it coulda been god's dick! behold the immaculate conception! (it worked once didnt it...?)
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The "It was god" angle was a bold move on her part.
 
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Chartreuse Spruce

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ok, why Is everyone so sure rape in those days means rape in this day? Maybe rape could be just what they called it when people had sex before marriage. ya know, the word rape is not even used in this passage we are referring. But look at that the story of Dinah. It said she was raped. It also said his heart was drawn to her and he loved her and wanted her for his wife. No one will consider the fact the words have different meanings that they do today. Rape is brutal. Rapist don't love their victims and talk sweet to them and love them.
 
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Chartreuse Spruce

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tyler.durden said:
Really? Links, please...
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a link? really? there is no link. the Bible...there's your link. If you are married and you slept with someone else, you would be stoned to death. or in Dinah's case it really ticked off her whole family that Dinah did that so they killed the whole family of that guy. and something else, in the day of Jesus, those people that if you were having sex with your husband and thinking of another man (or GOD) that you would be pregnant by that thought of person. That's why so many women were pregnant by GOD.
 
NietzscheKeen

NietzscheKeen

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Dinah is one case in billions probably. There is a fine and often indiscernable line between love and obsession. In my book, you can't rape someone you love... in as much as if you loved them, you wouldn't hurt them. But maybe the word love had a different meaning back then too because God is said to love all his children, but we really take it up the ass sometimes.
 
Sativied

Sativied

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Chartreuse Spruce said:
ok, why Is everyone so sure rape in those days means rape in this day? Maybe rape could be just what they called it when people had sex before marriage.
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And maybe, maybe GOD just meant imaginary wise man in your head, since fathers died sooner and people had to get advice somewhere....

Woman gets raped by a god and gives birth to a messiah.... you do all know the origin of that one right? It was a classic already long before Christ, not once, not twice, but since the time people became capable of telling stories.
 
Sativied

Sativied

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Natural Gas said:
"Laws (to include Biblical) are for the guidance of the wise and prudent and for the the strict adherence of fools.", Benjamin Franklin; First Constitutional Convention...FWIW
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Quite a leap from laws to bible, but nice quote nevertheless, even though it's not his own:

"Laws are for the guidance of wise men and the blind obedience of fools." (Solon, the Lawmaker of Athens, d. 559 BC)

B.I.B.L.E. = Basic Instructions Before Leaving Earth. Lot/ of good advice in it, some great stories too, just keep in mind it's something people in the desert needed to make living less of a hell and don't forward it as some sort of holy truth.
 
mudminer

mudminer

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NietzscheKeen said:
How are verses like the laws in Deuteronomy and wisdom in Proverbs supposed to be taken if not literally? I think it was rather irresponsible of God to write lifes instruction manual in a style that needed to be interpreted. I mean, the verse I mentioned is quite clear and not taken out of context. Is it not? If that is the case that the bible must be interpretted, then it either was meant for only the intellectually elite of the time or for the elite to interpret it for the illiterate. That's putting a lot of power in the hands of people who would have to be trusted on blind faith. I don't think God meant for us to have 100 different denominations of Christianity, but that's where interpretation gets you.I mean, I get if you mean it doesn't apply to out time anymore, but if it isn't ok now... why should it have been ok then?
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in all honesty it wasnt all that long ago that catholics were told that studying the bible was not for laymen. they were instructed not to do it because with their limitted intelligence, trying to understand what they read could make them insane. they were told essentially "check your minds at the door and trust the church to tell you what you need (it wants you) to know." its actually the same now in the "reformed" churches. members being expected to give church leadership "spiritual authority" over them. too much leadership thats dumber than a bag of hammers imo.
 
Dr Kynes

Dr Kynes

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Chartreuse Spruce said:
ok, why Is everyone so sure rape in those days means rape in this day? Maybe rape could be just what they called it when people had sex before marriage. ya know, the word rape is not even used in this passage we are referring. But look at that the story of Dinah. It said she was raped. It also said his heart was drawn to her and he loved her and wanted her for his wife. No one will consider the fact the words have different meanings that they do today. Rape is brutal. Rapist don't love their victims and talk sweet to them and love them.
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bro... youre reaching. deuteronomy is rules for military campaign, and the army, with some general shit thrown in.

when soldiers go a-rapin, they arent canoodling with their sweetie behind the rug merchant's tent.

thats even lamer than the "back then wine wasnt really wine..." hustle.
 
tyler.durden

tyler.durden

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Chartreuse Spruce said:
a link? really? there is no link. the Bible...there's your link. If you are married and you slept with someone else, you would be stoned to death. or in Dinah's case it really ticked off her whole family that Dinah did that so they killed the whole family of that guy. and something else, in the day of Jesus, those people that if you were having sex with your husband and thinking of another man (or GOD) that you would be pregnant by that thought of person. That's why so many women were pregnant by GOD.
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Oh good, I thought we were talking facts. I can just disregard your statement then...
 
Zaehet Strife

Zaehet Strife

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Chartreuse Spruce said:
a link? really? there is no link. the Bible...there's your link. If you are married and you slept with someone else, you would be stoned to death. or in Dinah's case it really ticked off her whole family that Dinah did that so they killed the whole family of that guy. and something else, in the day of Jesus, those people that if you were having sex with your husband and thinking of another man (or GOD) that you would be pregnant by that thought of person. That's why so many women were pregnant by GOD.
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This is one of the dumbest things i have ever read in my entire life, congrats, you should get plus rep for this... if it wasn't so ridiculously written. What is this world coming to with people like this inhabiting this planet, man... makes me just want to sigh.

This was a joke right? You don't really believe that do you?
 
Zaehet Strife

Zaehet Strife

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You still didn't answer me, was that a joke? Or for realzy? Your reputation is on the line here... everyone will be able to see it.
 
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