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NoDrama

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And Brother you completely missed what I was saying about the whole conversation....again military does not use hollow points BUT our law enforcement does,has,will....the very reason why they are ordered is for our LE who has used hollow points for some time now. You guys make it seem like hollow point are a new thing to law enforcement. Care to make another bet on how long hollow points have been used by our law enforcement. ???
When do you suppose you will figure out that your local police department or sheriff is not under the jurisdiction of the DHS or any other federal agency and that NONE zero zilch of the ammo purchased will be used by LAW ENFORCEMENT.

When do you think you will catch on to that little fact? Do you want to wager on a timeline? I will put $100 on tomorrow being the day you get it. I have faith in you so don't let me down.
 

londonfog

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LOL are you still going there? You have convinced yourself of the facts of the matter, yet to try desperately to save whatever small amount of face you might be able to, you insist on acting like a 3rd grader.

Exactlyhow many of the 1.6 billion rounds on the open purchase order are going to be hollow points? You are probably correct when you say that they won't all be hollow points because we already know that fed agencies do not practice with hollow points due to the cost factor.

So what?

Currently the DHS agencies use less than 15 million rounds per year. Are we really saying that we need 100 years worth of ammo? Shit stores a long time, but not that long.

Are you catching a glimpse of the problem here?
my correction which you seem to have conveniently left out :roll:was the fact you said 1.6 billion were hollow points...my correction that it was 1.6 billion ammo SOME being hollow points.

Now is your argument that you are scared because someone purchased a lot of ammo to use on us ??? are you afraid that the big boys are buying all that ammo so you little people can't have any...lol DUDE WTF ...stop being such a scary little pussy. Info with link from source below


"DHS routinely establishes strategic sourcing contracts that combine the requirements of all its Components for commonly purchased goods and services such as ammunition, computer equipment and information technology services. These strategic sourcing contracts help leverage the purchasing power of DHS to efficiently procure equipment and supplies at significantly lower costs."
While it has been previously reported that DHS has solicited the purchase of 1.6 billion rounds of ammunition over the next four to five years, the government agency shows only 263,733,362 rounds in its current inventory.
But, DHS estimates it will spend $37,263,698 on ammunition in FY 2013.
Last year, DHS spent $36,535,910, a decrease from 2011's ammunition expense of $38,237,305.
Also, over the last three years the number of rounds purchased by DHS has declined.
In 2010, the agency purchased 148,314,825 rounds. In 2011, 108,664,054 rounds were purchased; and in 2012, 103,178,200 rounds.
In response to how the ammunition will be used by DHS, the various component agencies answered specific to their usage:

  • CBP (Customs & Border Protection) said that "70 percent of CBP ammunition is used for quarterly qualifications."
  • ICE (Immigration and Customs Enforcement) says it "allocates 1,000 rounds of ammunition per firearm per year for quarterly qualifications and training."
  • TSA (Transportation Security Administration) says "35 percent of TSA ammunition is allocated for operational use (qualifications and duty carry)." you can view the full report right here http://www.coburn.senate.gov/public/index.cfm?a=Files.Serve&File_id=9cde768f-bb3a-4fd9-8176-1745c21519c2... please read it all so you are prepared to debate if you still want to...but 1.6 billion is nothing looking at the agencies ( more then one) that will be using them and for what purposes. and the time span in which they will be receiving them.
 

MuyLocoNC

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And Brother you completely missed what I was saying about the whole conversation....again military does not use hollow points BUT our law enforcement does,has,will....the very reason why they are ordered is for our LE who has used hollow points for some time now. You guys make it seem like hollow point are a new thing to law enforcement. Care to make another bet on how long hollow points have been used by our law enforcement. ???
Ok, take a breath. Bite your tongue. Resist temptation to make a condescending remark. Be polite. Try one more time.

We are ALL aware that the ammo is for LE, no one is arguing to the contrary. That is the very reason for the conspiracy theories, the size of the orders (as NoDrama has stated) are VASTLY larger than what LE (in all it's forms and agencies) could possibly use under NORMAL circumstances. Hence the theories as to why they would order so many. I'm not sure what part of this you're not following.
 

londonfog

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When do you suppose you will figure out that your local police department or sheriff is not under the jurisdiction of the DHS or any other federal agency and that NONE zero zilch of the ammo purchased will be used by LAW ENFORCEMENT.

When do you think you will catch on to that little fact? Do you want to wager on a timeline? I will put $100 on tomorrow being the day you get it. I have faith in you so don't let me down.
OMG so you don't think ICE is Law Enforcement and WTF do you think FLETC stands for ???? SO yes idiot the ammo is for our Law Enforcement...please donate my 100 bucks to the "Make A Wish" foundation for being so stupid and you not actually getting it
 

londonfog

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Ok, take a breath. Bite your tongue. Resist temptation to make a condescending remark. Be polite. Try one more time.

We are ALL aware that the ammo is for LE, no one is arguing to the contrary. That is the very reason for the conspiracy theories, the size of the orders (as NoDrama has stated) are VASTLY larger than what LE (in all it's forms and agencies) could possibly use under NORMAL circumstances. Hence the theories as to why they would order so many. I'm not sure what part of this you're not following.
just read post #122..got a link that has the info to your question...
 

NoDrama

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OMG so you don't think ICE is Law Enforcement and WTF do you think FLETC stands for ???? SO yes idiot the ammo is for our Law Enforcement...please donate my 100 bucks to the "Make A Wish" foundation for being so stupid and you not actually getting it
FEDERAL LAW ENFORCEMENT!!!

If you are speeding down the road and an ICE officers sees you, are you going to get a speeding ticket?

ICE is immigrations enforcement, not law enforcement


FLETC the very first letter is "F" which stands for FEDERAL


Lets go back to the original statement that you are basing your whole argument against.

Have you noticed government getting prepared? Yep, they purchased 1.6 billion rounds of hollow point ammo, (That means its for domestic use only). tons of full auto weapons ( touting the reason for them was because the AR-15/m-16 is an extremely effective self defense weapon), 1500 different camp sites/bunkers, 3 years worth of food storage, underground bunkers especially for government officials.....on and on. The government is the worlds biggest prepper out there.

Now, HAVE YOU NOTICED GOVERNMENT GETTING PREPARED??
 

ChesusRice

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Ok, take a breath. Bite your tongue. Resist temptation to make a condescending remark. Be polite. Try one more time.

We are ALL aware that the ammo is for LE, no one is arguing to the contrary. That is the very reason for the conspiracy theories, the size of the orders (as NoDrama has stated) are VASTLY larger than what LE (in all it's forms and agencies) could possibly use under NORMAL circumstances. Hence the theories as to why they would order so many. I'm not sure what part of this you're not following.
So how is this order different than the one they put in 5 yeArs ago?
 

londonfog

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FEDERAL LAW ENFORCEMENT!!!

If you are speeding down the road and an ICE officers sees you, are you going to get a speeding ticket?

ICE is immigrations enforcement, not law enforcement


FLETC the very first letter is "F" which stands for FEDERAL


Lets go back to the original statement that you are basing your whole argument against.




Now, HAVE YOU NOTICED GOVERNMENT GETTING PREPARED??
YOU dumb as fuck .... poor guy thinks only his local police are Law Enforcement. A suggest you look up the word and meaning.
 

londonfog

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With 100 years of ammo available, DHS should never again have to purchase ammo.
wow 100 years worth of ammo, quite the exaggeration. Even the right wing bullshitters put it at 20 years... got a link for that 100 years or you doing a "add on"
 

NoDrama

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YOU dumb as fuck .... poor guy thinks only his local police are Law Enforcement. A suggest you look up the word and meaning.
Do you know what I mean by LOCAL law enforcement? When I talk about police and sheriff, do you assume its FEDERAL?

Stop trying to move the goal posts, You can read can't you? You know EXACTLY what I am talking about, stop trying to pretend you don't get it just so you don't look so fucking stupid. I thought for some time that you were just ignorant, but now I know that when you lose you are sore about it and just cannot let things go, I concede that not all the bullets are hollow point, but all of them are for domestic use and none of them are for local law enforcement. I have made this clear on several posts, the fact that you ignore those posts and continue your little tantrums does not impress anyone. Get over yourself.
 

NoDrama

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wow 100 years worth of ammo, quite the exaggeration. Even the right wing bullshitters put it at 20 years... got a link for that 100 years or you doing a "add on"
Umm lets see. You can't do math, its not your strong point, I get it.

1.6 billion = 1,600,000,000

DHS and all those FEDERAL agencies use 15 million rounds per year ( Citing YOUR source, which you obviously did not read ) http://www.coburn.senate.gov/public/index.cfm?a=Files.Serve&File_id=9cde768f-bb3a-4fd9-8176-1745c21519c2

1,600,000,000/15,000,000 =106.666666666 years

The 20 year remark is how long that ammo would last if it were used to fight the afghan and Iraq wars...20 years.

You really should spend some time reading all the links you post, you wouldn't look like such a dimwit.
 

londonfog

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Do you know what I mean by LOCAL law enforcement? When I talk about police and sheriff, do you assume its FEDERAL?

Stop trying to move the goal posts, You can read can't you? You know EXACTLY what I am talking about, stop trying to pretend you don't get it just so you don't look so fucking stupid. I thought for some time that you were just ignorant, but now I know that when you lose you are sore about it and just cannot let things go, I concede that not all the bullets are hollow point, but all of them are for domestic use and none of them are for local law enforcement. I have made this clear on several posts, the fact that you ignore those posts and continue your little tantrums does not impress anyone. Get over yourself.
Easy question for you ..Do you think ICE is a part of Law Enforcement ???
 

NoDrama

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Easy question for you ..Do you think ICE is a part of Law Enforcement ???
no, I think its part of FEDERAL law enforcement and specifically only has jurisdiction on FEDERAL IMMIGRATION matters. I have already explained all this on post 121, you can continue to ignore it all you want, but doing so will only make you look more and more like the biggest imbecile that ever put fingers to keyboard. Save yourself London.
 

ChesusRice

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Easy question for you ..Do you think ICE is a part of Law Enforcement ???
Its not even 1.6 billion. DHS contract is for up to 750 million in 5 years. Total government contracts for ammo makers is less than 3 percent of total sales. Civilians are driving the ammo shortages
 

londonfog

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no, I think its part of FEDERAL law enforcement and specifically only has jurisdiction on FEDERAL IMMIGRATION matters. I have already explained all this on post 121, you can continue to ignore it all you want, but doing so will only make you look more and more like the biggest imbecile that ever put fingers to keyboard. Save yourself London.
WOW..still Law Enforcement guy.. and we all know your explanations amount to a big pile of lies MR. 1.6 billion hollow points:dunce:... and are you still thinking a 37mm flare is the same as a m203.
 

NoDrama

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Its not even 1.6 billion. DHS contract is for up to 750 million in 5 years. Total government contracts for ammo makers is less than 3 percent of total sales. Civilians are driving the ammo shortages
LOL even 750 million is......

Lets see, better make this easy for you guys to catch on.

750,000,000 divided by 15,000,000 is the same as 750/15 = 50

50 years of ammo doesn't concern anyone?

That isn't preparation, that's just a good sale on ammo that will go to waste sitting on a shelf?

You are only fooling yourself.
 
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