Riddle me this

[Zaehet Strife]

It's easy to understand why people still insist on having faith in their ideas, when the possibility will always exist that they could be wrong.

I commend your courage in one sense; most people ignore the fact that their ideas could be wrong... actually most people get PISSED when you bring that thought up to their mind. Most people cover their ears and close their eyes screaming "i'm right, i know i'm right, shut up, shut up!!" lol

 

[Beefbisquit]

Thats true. But it becomes the chicken and the egg story here.

Why do the electrical impulses stop ? (which steer/control the body)

I like to believe its because the body can no longer sustain/hold its internal energy, and whatever remains, returns.

Cells can only replicate for so long. They have a finite life, but it has nothing to do with the energy 'returning' to somewhere. The energy never 'leaves'.

I tend to go with my gut feeling and logic deduction of what seems more plausible and realistic.
To each his or her own beliefs I'd say
And tbh, I dont consider them the most important questions, I merely responded appropiatly in a forum thread

First off, if you're using a 'gut feeling' you're not using logic. The statement that makes the least amount of assumptions is usually the correct one. (Occam's razor)

No worries, I'm not troubled by the notion of possibly being wrong, but its how I see it, and until something concrete/tangable makes me see otherwise, I will not let my mind set waver by the insecurity of others, I am firm in my believes and have faith in my judgement.

What concrete/tangible have you seen that has made you believe what you believe now? Have you seen spirits leaving the body, or have you experienced your own spirit leaving your body? Did you experience anything that couldn't have been explained by something natural? E.g. dreaming, hallucinations, etc.

 

[timlang420]

I tend to go with my gut feeling and logic deduction of what seems more plausible and realistic.
To each his or her own beliefs I'd say

to bad more religious people dont think that way...

This is a nice, comforting belief, but there's no evidence for it and it is not demonstrable...

too bad more religious people dont think that way.

thats why science is always better, it has the ability to be wrong. no religion has the ability to be wrong...is the pope still considered infallible...?

 

[automated]

It's easy to understand why people still insist on having faith in their ideas, when the possibility will always exist that they could be wrong.

I commend your courage in one sense; most people ignore the fact that their ideas could be wrong... actually most people get PISSED when you bring that thought up to their mind. Most people cover their ears and close their eyes screaming "i'm right, i know i'm right, shut up, shut up!!" lol

Very true comes down to the fear of being wrong I guess.
I'm always open to dialogue on these matters, makes room for great conversations, as long as one doesnt try to enforce his or her ideas/believes on me but rather share their experiences.
Who knows, someone might have better/other insight then me, showing me another light in this broad spectrum of possiblities.

 

[timlang420]

It's easy to understand why people still insist on having faith in their ideas, when the possibility will always exist that they could be wrong.

I commend your courage in one sense; most people ignore the fact that their ideas could be wrong... actually most people get PISSED when you bring that thought up to their mind. Most people cover their ears and close their eyes screaming "i'm right, i know i'm right, shut up, shut up!!" lol

thats fucking awesome. i didnt read your post before i posted mine, lol. people who arent willing accept they may be wrong (christians?) make it impossible to find the best outcome.

also, your sig is the shit. i got a tattoo on my shoulder because of a carl sagan quote "“The nitrogen in our DNA, the calcium in our teeth, the iron in our blood, the carbon in our apple pies were made in the interiors of collapsing stars. We are made of starstuff.”

― Carl Sagan, Cosmos.
i actually had that quote as my sig but i started watching "The Kroll Show" and i decided to go with a less intelligent sig

 

[timlang420]

[video=youtube;6p5jnqEyUs4]http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=6p5jnqEyUs4[/video]

 

[automated]

Cells can only replicate for so long. They have a finite life, but it has nothing to do with the energy 'returning' to somewhere. The energy never 'leaves'.

Do you have any proof ? nor have I, but to me it makes more sense then energy simply vanashing.

First off, if you're using a 'gut feeling' you're not using logic. The statement that makes the least amount of assumptions is usually the correct one. (Occam's razor)

Thats using only logic, I believe I mentioned the word "and".

gut feeling and logic deduction

Yup, I did.
Logic deduction alone is hardly ever enough. Unless you get multiple choice questions.

What concrete/tangible have you seen that has made you believe what you believe now? Have you seen spirits leaving the body, or have you experienced your own spirit leaving your body? Did you experience anything that couldn't have been explained by something natural? E.g. dreaming, hallucinations, etc.

Not much concrete evidence really, certainly no spirits.

I don't really believe in ghosts or spirits as commonly refered too, like embodyments of deceased.
Its in the eye of the beholder how they perceive anothers energy.
A great example being seeing someones aura, which is a radiant of a persons energy.

A spirit being a form of shapeless energy is something I could relate too though, in my opinion its something that can actually exist. Just look around us. Almost everything consits/lives because of energy.

I could tell somethings about a period in my life where shrooms made quite an impact hehe but it would get weird hehe

 

[timlang420]

even though we all seem to believe basically the same thing, it seems, we still have differences of opinion. imo religious types cant have the type of discussion we are having, where nobodys using caps or exclamation points. that may sound stereotypical but stereotypes are around for a reason. i refer you to my "family guy" video post.

i have a 9 year old son and most of my family is religious. its not fair because its part of (especially christians) their duty to convert people. and in the process they push their beliefs in your face and try to belittle you (original sin), all the while never giving an inch. i hate that about religion and because i feel that way i can't fight fire with fire, so to say, cuz i dont want to push him into his beliefs, like the religious do/will.

i dunno...i appreciate the discussion going on here, good thread...better posts. i've been working alot and havent read/watched anything on this topic in a while. ill probably watch "cosmos" tonight while i get my tattoo finished.

 

[Beefbisquit]

Do you have any proof ? nor have I, but to me it makes more sense then energy simply vanashing.

Energy doesn't vanish. The fact that you're falling back on that point mean you don't have an understanding of how energy 'works'. Excuse the pun.

Logic deduction alone is hardly ever enough. Unless you get multiple choice questions.

Multiple choice questions? What does that have to do with logic? Where are you taking this? lol

Not much concrete evidence really, certainly no spirits.

I don't really believe in ghosts or spirits as commonly refered too, like embodyments of deceased.
Its in the eye of the beholder how they perceive anothers energy.
A great example being seeing someones aura, which is a radiant of a persons energy.

You said you wouldn't change your beliefs without tangible evidence, but when I asked you what tangible evidence you've seen to give you the beliefs now, you don't have any. Why the double standard?

A spirit being a form of shapeless energy is something I could relate too though, in my opinion its something that can actually exist. Just look around us. Almost every consits/lives because of energy.

I could tell somethings about a period in my life where shrooms made quite an impact hehe but it would get weird hehe

I don't mean to be rude, but you 'envisioning' something has nothing to do with reality. People have this notion that there's just this 'energy' that 'lives' inside you and your consciousness floats around inside of it, but in reality, energy is quantifiable, measurable, etc. So, if you're going to talk about some mystic force, use a mystic term; and leave the scientific terminology for scientific applications.

Once we can show 'life energy' (chi, ki, the spirit, the soul) to exist, then we might be able to measure it somehow and show how it works, or how its processes work, how 'soul particles' exist.... etc...

 

[Kite High]

 

[timlang420]

i dont get it. is that a buddhist thing?

 

[Kite High]

i dont get it. is that a buddhist thing?

No ...but its ok as most don't

 

[automated]

Beefbisquet, I believe the energy your refering to as I'm seemingly implying to you in your opinion is actually the electrical current mucht like an ac or dc voltage/current. Not really the kind of energy that powers the body nor the ones I mean. We produce our own form of energy too in our bodies, but its not something that just fell out of thin air I pressume (or is it pun intended) Your welcome to share your thoughts on that.

Logic deduction implies there is an awsner, there is not always an awsner.

I'm not sure if I like the tone your carrying giving me a double standard accusation.
My believes have been formed what I have seen read and experienced throughout my life.
Not something thought up in a whim. All the references I could give would most likely be brushed aside by you as stories and fairy tales.
If your looking for some sensation trying to undermine people in an attempt to stand out, so be it, but I wont be bothered by it.
(thats how I interpret your current course anyway, no hard feelings though)

I agree with you that the my wording of energy is not the most ideal and might seem to refer to the actual ac / dc power mentioned above, but I do refer to the 'life energy' your mentioning, it sounds beter, but instantly gives it that mystical touch your referening too. Alas, to me it isn't mystical.

Aura, which I refer to as a persons radiant energy, you can't hookup a multi measuring device trying to read V/A/Ohms either, but its there, seen it lots of times.


btw, I have a high current enegineers degree -,-




edit: ps im dutch, I dont always have the right english wording for things

 

[timlang420]

No ...but its ok as most don't

ok, id like to understand it. will you explain it to me?

 

[Kite High]

seek the understanding and it will come to you

 

[Zaehet Strife]

seek the understanding and it will come to you

Typical new age answer, ill define this for you.

"I don't really know, and i would sound stupid if i tried to explain it... but you can make it up too if you want, it's easy, just make it up!"

'life energy'

Ummmm... i think it would be much better understood as "life magic". I think it better describes what makes up the "aura" from which you speak of. That way people won't get confused and think that this "aura" is made up of something tangible that we can detect.

 

[CrazyBrennie]

Grow mj for long enough and you will lose all your energy before you die. At least that's what happened to me

 

[Ballsonrawls]

i think it goes back into the cosmic ocean. becoming a part of everything. not sure though

 

[automated]

Typical new age answer, ill define this for you.

"I don't really know, and i would sound stupid if i tried to explain it... but you can make it up too if you want, it's easy, just make it up!"



Ummmm... i think it would be much better understood as "life magic". I think it better describes what makes up the "aura" from which you speak of. That way people won't get confused and think that this "aura" is made up of something tangible that we can detect.

Its good to hear your taking care of the people
Perhaps the electro magnetic field around every person is related to an aura, but it could also be magic

You sure you should think for other people ?

 

[mindphuk]

Beefbisquet, I believe the energy your refering to as I'm seemingly implying to you in your opinion is actually the electrical current mucht like an ac or dc voltage/current. Not really the kind of energy that powers the body nor the ones I mean. We produce our own form of energy too in our bodies, but its not something that just fell out of thin air I pressume (or is it pun intended) Your welcome to share your thoughts on that.

The energy in your body is either chemical or electric. It all originates from an external source, our food. Our current understanding of biology is pretty extensive and we understand how our cells (and plants) operate and the use of energy -- ATP -->ADP , TCA cycle, electron transport chain, photosynthesis, cellular respiration, neuron depolarization, ion channels, etc. There is nothing magical or mystical or as yet inexplicable about it. We understand where energy for our cells comes from, how it interacts and where it goes. When cell death occurs, there is no more energy left. It doesn't 'go' anywhere, it came and was used up.

etc.
Logic deduction implies there is an awsner, there is not always an awsner.

Logical deduction is a method. It doesn't imply anything. There is always an 'answer' or conclusion to deduction but it always relies on the premise or the question being asked. Deduction is not the only way to use logic however, so just because you cannot deduce answers, doesn't mean it is unanswerable or that intuition or gut feelings will get you any closer to the truth. In fact, a reasonable person understands the limitations of things like intuition, common sense and how our brains continually fool and deceive us. Critical thinking is a way to eliminate the biases of gut feelings and guesswork.

My believes have been formed what I have seen read and experienced throughout my life.
Not something thought up in a whim.

No amount of pure contemplation and personal experience will lead a person to the truth. Only by application of careful reasoned, critical thought and repeated testing of ideas will do that.