doctor office for patients... in and out 20min.
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Anabolic1979
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I just heard from my cousin who went there today that the place was packed! I just went a week ago and there were a few people but I guess it's reputation has spread really fast. I have a bad feeling that it won't be able to operate this way for long! He is a MA resident and I know they were getting approved at a more rapid pace than others, I just hope all the traffic there doesn't mess things up for patients who are waiting for cards.. Like me
If you already had a recommendation from your PCP why did you need to visit the clinic to have your application signed?
Anabolic1979
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My PCP won't sign a application cause he thinks the DOH is after him.. He's had issues with the medical board so he doesn't like to write scripts or do anything that he thinks they can use against him.
westtoeast
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The MMJ act does not really protect anyone from anything in my opionion. I would agree that your PCP be very very cautious. The DOH trends who writes and how many and look for trends. If your PCP wrote you a recommendation you are lucky. Many PCP's in the state of RI are being scrutinized for all of their prescribing including MMJ. MMJ is a schedule I drug which is not authorized to RX unless it's research project--however a certification is NOT a prescription but that is the loophole the state can used to stop the certifications by PA's and Np's.
SxIstew
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(i) A practitioner shall not be subject to arrest, prosecution, or penalty in any manner, or denied any right or privilege, including, but not limited to, civil penalty or disciplinary action by the Rhode Island Board of Medical Licensure and Discipline or by any other business or occupational or professional licensing board or bureau solely for providing written certifications or for otherwise stating that, in the practitioner's professional opinion, the potential benefits of the medical marijuana would likely outweigh the health risks for a patient..................................................... Opinion's do not count. the law does. that is in the TCS Medical Marijuana Act. chapter 4 part I..... Look at it for yourself. http://webserver.rilin.state.ri.us/Statutes/TITLE21/21-28.6/INDEX.HTM
westtoeast
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- "solely for providing written certifications or for otherwise stating that, in the practitioner's professional opinion, the potential benefits of the medical marijuana would likely outweigh the health risks for a patient........................."
note::::: ...SOLEY for providing certifications---in the professional opinion etc is correct in the regs (honestly i've read them more times than you can imagine i can recite them in my sleep) however, " SOLEY" is a significant word--if you are suggesting certification but have done so with any false intent---there in lies the problem. If i was a certifier but was handing out bogus cards--i can in fact be in trouble. No law protects fraudulent intentional activity.
Therefore--while it's good to feel comfortable that no one could ever get in trouble for certifying i'd interpret this regulation very carefully if i was a certifier.
westtoeast
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i have no idea why that whole response is in bold. . crazy computer and editing.
SxIstew
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His pcp is probably not retarded, and just handing out certification to anyone who comes in off the street. A doctor who has signed off on patients is not going to be arrested unless he/she broke the law. breaking the law is one thing. he's just stating that HIS PCP does not want the drama and ridicule that may come with signing off for his patients. And if he signed one or 2 it would not give any rights to the police to charge him with a crime. Patients play doctors all the time. YOU CANNOT TELL THAT EVERYONE IS FAKING. I personally know a "skitzo" who has never head voices in his life. has no mental defect. no physical injuries. he just felt like not working the rest of his life and told a doctor when he was 15 that he hears voices. Now can they go arrest the doctor on conspiracy to commit fraud agains the social security administration? no. you see people like you with opinions of no importance cause PCP's like him to not deal with patients in the MMJ world.
westtoeast
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No need to be angry. I am pretty well versed of the regs and i am not 'someone of an opinion of no importance'. I am in fact a propronent of MMJ but am also an advocate of being very careful of dealing with the state and HEALTH in particular . I'm pretty sure you are aware of the aclu lawsuit already before HEALTH for changing regs without public vetting. mental health and hearing voices is not pertinent to any conversation here. . . as far as a doc who writes for MMJ and police 'charging with a crime' would also not happen--the state sanctioning his license is possible. I think we both agree completely on the PCP who doesn't want to sign because of the stigmatism and the mccarthyism in this state that is going on with MMJ and that's why his PCP won't sign. Why risk his license for someone to get a card when he can send them down the road and have someone else sign off. As far as being able to tell if everyone is faking--well in the world of MMJ the law dictates that you provide a medical record docomenting on of the qualifying conditions. . . as far as my remark about fraudulent it would be someone signing it without proper documentation from the patient of a qualifying condition. (google dr. pancholi rhode island.) that's a fraudulent card.
westtoeast
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It's their job to help you but not if they don't want to or they're afraid and they're not obligated to give you certification anymore than they'd be obligated to give you narcotics or sleeping pills. It's a choice and a lot of docs aren't open to it because of fear of reprisal even if they agree with the philosophy of it.
westtoeast
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You can go to any consulting place without a recommendation from your PCP IF you have your medical records. People don't always feel comfortable telling their PCP they want a card because of the judgement and the worry of asking. The B and B place will review your medical records for your certifying condition. YOu can go independently of what your PCP says with supporting documentation.
Have to agree with west... regardless of whats morally right or wrong as them being a doctor. They need to protect there own in such an enviroment where everyone pulling any escuse necessary to get a mmj card.
if i was nervous or didnt fully believe or didnt understand how mmj helps (LIKE MANY OLDER DOCS) i wouldnt sign off an send them around the corner to people who knew... almost same reason why we see specialists. Older doctors are set in there ways and abide by what theyre taught in school an stick to it.
i went to classes for birthing an learned whats best for children at certain ages ect and learned and seen first hand how true it was... alot of current doctors will say many women cannot produce milk or will say formula is a better source then breast milk. Why? Because this what was learned and taught by there schooling. But yet go speak with a retired doctor and they show you books and proof of the oposite.
if i was nervous or didnt fully believe or didnt understand how mmj helps (LIKE MANY OLDER DOCS) i wouldnt sign off an send them around the corner to people who knew... almost same reason why we see specialists. Older doctors are set in there ways and abide by what theyre taught in school an stick to it.
i went to classes for birthing an learned whats best for children at certain ages ect and learned and seen first hand how true it was... alot of current doctors will say many women cannot produce milk or will say formula is a better source then breast milk. Why? Because this what was learned and taught by there schooling. But yet go speak with a retired doctor and they show you books and proof of the oposite.
NoBarriers
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Dude no more dabs for you... 
Anabolic1979
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Most PCP are not going to write you a recommendation officially unless your in really bad shape with a terminal illness or something.. Even then most still won't! My PCP is a cool guy and used to prescribe pretty much anything I asked for within reason but he has had the RI medical board looking into cases of his.. Like one lately where a friend of my doctor sent a lady to see him, she was a lawyer and had lupus. He doesn't give out opiates unless he is very comfortable that the person is not acting so he examined her and talked to her for an hour. She was in a lot of pain apparently so he prescribed her methadone (5-10mg a day) for her pain. Well that night she killed herself with a combo of pills! She had benzos, suboxone, oxycodone, ambien and apparently methadone in her system. So there coming after my PCP for that! He used to run a suboxone clinic and the Feds shut him down after so insurance discrepancies. He is very opinionated and a republican! Blah.. Lol but he's convinced that the state wants to shut him down. He even started lowering my Adderall dose I've been on for 5 years for ADD because of it. So yea there was no way he would ever sign a application for Med Marijuana unless the person was terminal IMO. I'm lucky he was in a good mood and even wrote me a recommendation letter to bring to another doctor.
Anabolic1979
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B and B is very unprofessional! I had tried them first and had all my medical records faxed over there and was told I would be contacted in a couple days when the doc looked them over. I would hear back either way she told me.. That was 3 weeks ago!!! I called and left messages and emailed. Finally after a week she emailed me and said the doctor has been out fir personal reasons but we will get back to you when he returns. That was 2 weeks ago and I never heard back.. They are a waste of time and unprofessional. I'm glad I heard about canna!
westtoeast
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- "So there coming after my PCP for that! He used to run a suboxone clinic. . "
that is likely a truth and your PCP's perceptions are not imagined. The prisons would rather let inmates go through a killer methadone w/drawl than give them medicine (if a doctor did this to a patient in the hospital he'd be sued), the state would rather search and destroy alternative pain doctors and keep people hooked on big pharma until they're dead (and then go after those who prescribed it). Regarding B and B. . after 11th state and the absolute bullshit they got dragged through based on being a consulting business where the PHYSICIAN they hired reported false things to the state it is not any wonder everyone is extra careful. I say with more than an ounce of concern that Canna needs to be careful too.