TAX (not wealth) Dristributon

[nitro harley]

again, categorically false.

the gas station attendant *does not ask me how much i make before pumping my gas.

my landlord does not ask me how much i make when i pay my property tax.

no one asks me how much i make when i purchase a six pack of beer in a state with sales taxes.

my phone service does not ask me how much i make when they tack on all the little extras at the end of my bill, nor does my ISP.

one half does not pay for the other half, it's a completely false talking point that is only consumed by koolaid drinkers.

Kool aid drinkers?....You seem to be the king of koolaid around these parts.....IMO

We all pay taxes Buck in some form or another, but only half the people pay taxes, and pay the taxes you are pointing out....I think someone is putting something in your koolaid buck...

 

[Balzac89]

I am inclined to ask: Why should someone be punished for being wealthy? Why do you draw this line at the point you do? Zuckerberg has a net worth of about $14B due to his luck with FB. Why should he get "punished" for providing an insanely successful service? More money =/= more jobs; it only=more money.

For hording wealth. Why must wealth be horded? Why can't that wealth be used to create more wealth and prosperity for everyone. We could use the money to build new electrical infrastructure. We need it.

 

[Balzac89]

Why must we horde wealth, what is the point?

 

[Balzac89]

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Doug Stanhope understands

 

[Mr Neutron]

I'm not referring to anyone who has under a million dollars in their coffers. Individuals who horde billions of dollars in wealth. That wealth could create jobs, fund projects and do many good things.

Why a million? Why not 100K? Or 20K? Who's going to set the limit, Robin Hood?

This is why liberty is such a delicate thing. You ask people if free speech is good thing and most, if not all say yes. If you ask if that includes hate speech, racial bigotry, or any other speech that is widely understood to be negative and they will demand censorship. You can't have it both ways. Either you are a free nation or you are not.

 

[Balzac89]

Why a million? Why not 100K? Or 20K? Who's going to set the limit, Robin Hood?

This is why liberty is such a delicate thing. You ask people if free speech is good thing and most, if not all say yes. If you ask if that includes hate speech, racial bigotry, or any other speech that is widely understood to be negative and they will demand censorship. You can't have it both ways. Either you are a free nation or you are not.

Do you consider equal and free the same thing?

 

[Dr Kynes]

I would happily pay more taxes if I made more money. Society should punish those who horde wealth.

thats retarded.

society should not punish savers, society should punish spendthrift fools who waste money on designer dog sweaters bejeweled i-phones and houses suspended on cliffs in landslide and earthquake country....


ohh wait society DOES punish those fools.



if you want more money find a way to earn more and quit bitching about other people's wealth, or be happy youre not in indonesia or zimbabwe, and thus dont have to consider cannibalism or becoming a ladyboy hooker just to make a living.

 

[Dr Kynes]

Do you consider equal and free the same thing?

if i keep my money bound up in real estate, certificates of deposit, a savings account or stuffed in my mattress thats none of your damned business.

you can do what you want with YOUR money, ill do what i want with mine, and if that means a giant vault full of gold and silver coins like Scrooge McDuck, thats MY business, not yours.

i dont try to tell you what to do with your foolishness reserves and idiocy investments (which are clearly paying off big-time), so dont tell me what to do with my wealth.

freedom means i get to do what i want with my shit and you can do what you want with your shit

equality means if the government gets to take my shit for their purposes, they take an EQUAL proportion of your shit the same way.

we currently have lots of freedom but nearly no equality in economics. if you want equality youll be even poorer that you are now if you have to pay the same rate as the 'wealthy" and the feds take more than 1/3 of all your dough instead of the pittance they take now (less than 15%)

if you make $30k, at current "progressive" tax rates youll get stung for $3018 (15%) minus deductions
if you got taxed at the same rate as the guy making $3mil the feds will jack you for a cool million and change and tell you to eat a dick (35%)

be careful what you whinge for when you "occupy" shit, you may not like the new fairness that costs you 35% instead of 10%-15%, but thats not the "fairness youre talking about is it, you want a maximum legally allowed wealth level and taxation = everything over that level. (and of course the maximum allowable wealth level is about what you get)

thats not "Fairness" "Equality" or "Freedom", thats you being a dick and demanding that nobody have more toys than you do.

 

[ASMALLVOICE]

Wealth,

What the fuck is wealth anyway? Many believe it is the accumulation of currencies, precious metals, gems and the likes, so as to bring a sense of contentment, security and wellbeing on a physical plane .

Truth of the matter is, that wealth is as individual as an individual. Those that are seeking wealth based on what society has deemed wealthy, have lost thier identity already.

I have never seen a herse pulling a u-haul.

Peace

Asmallvoice

 

[ginwilly]

Then you'd need some means of subtracting how much you have paid in from how much you have received.

right, and those who are a net negative would be considered a welfare recipient. That's why the 2% number is questionable to me.

 

[UncleBuck]

Kool aid drinkers?....You seem to be the king of koolaid around these parts.....IMO

We all pay taxes Buck in some form or another, but only half the people pay taxes, and pay the taxes you are pointing out....I think someone is putting something in your koolaid buck...

we all pay taxes thus only half pay taxes.

GENIUS!

everyone who lives somewhere and pays rent pays property taxes which fund our schools and police forces.

everyone who buys gasoline pays gas taxes which fund our roads.

everyone who pays a phone bill pays those taxes that fund 911 and other communication services.

everyone who buys stuff in a state with sales taxes pays those sales taxes.

these are all forms of regressive taxes too. they hit everyone at the same amount no matter how much they make, meaning that the poor are forking over a higher percentage of their income than the rich. well, maybe not property tax so much as that depends on how much property you have.*

 

[UncleBuck]

right, and those who are a net negative would be considered a welfare recipient. That's why the 2% number is questionable to me.

you're raping the language as bad as nontheist rapes a mule for fun on the weekends.

lots of businesses pay accountants lots of money so that they can be on "welfare". for some reason, that statement just doesn't feel right.

people generally are happy when they see that they get a return for the year, people are not generally happy when they see that they are "welfare" dependents.

but please proceed with your shitty, shifty definition. nothing like isolating a good chunk of the nation, including seniors who worked their whole lives and are now on SS and medicare. i'm sure they love being told that they are welfare mooches.

say, how did that strategy work out last time around?*

 

[Balzac89]

if i keep my money bound up in real estate, certificates of deposit, a savings account or stuffed in my mattress thats none of your damned business.

you can do what you want with YOUR money, ill do what i want with mine, and if that means a giant vault full of gold and silver coins like Scrooge McDuck, thats MY business, not yours.

i dont try to tell you what to do with your foolishness reserves and idiocy investments (which are clearly paying off big-time), so dont tell me what to do with my wealth.

freedom means i get to do what i want with my shit and you can do what you want with your shit

equality means if the government gets to take my shit for their purposes, they take an EQUAL proportion of your shit the same way.

we currently have lots of freedom but nearly no equality in economics. if you want equality youll be even poorer that you are now if you have to pay the same rate as the 'wealthy" and the feds take more than 1/3 of all your dough instead of the pittance they take now (less than 15%)

if you make $30k, at current "progressive" tax rates youll get stung for $3018 (15%) minus deductions
if you got taxed at the same rate as the guy making $3mil the feds will jack you for a cool million and change and tell you to eat a dick (35%)

be careful what you whinge for when you "occupy" shit, you may not like the new fairness that costs you 35% instead of 10%-15%, but thats not the "fairness youre talking about is it, you want a maximum legally allowed wealth level and taxation = everything over that level. (and of course the maximum allowable wealth level is about what you get)

thats not "Fairness" "Equality" or "Freedom", thats you being a dick and demanding that nobody have more toys than you do.

I lose 25 percent of my pay check every week

 

[UncleBuck]

I lose 25 percent of my pay check every week

you should hire accountants that can get you onto "welfare".

 

[Balzac89]

thats retarded.

society should not punish savers, society should punish spendthrift fools who waste money on designer dog sweaters bejeweled i-phones and houses suspended on cliffs in landslide and earthquake country....


ohh wait society DOES punish those fools.



if you want more money find a way to earn more and quit bitching about other people's wealth, or be happy youre not in indonesia or zimbabwe, and thus dont have to consider cannibalism or becoming a ladyboy hooker just to make a living.

You are greedy

 

[Balzac89]

You were raised in a capitalist system. You were bred into greed. You think its in your favor to horde and consume at will. Why do you think society is the way it is? We live in small groups of people and hardly venture outside that group because you have to remember your own self interest.

If the only thing you value in life is wealth I pity you.

 

[ginwilly]

you're raping the language as bad as nontheist rapes a mule for fun on the weekends.

lots of businesses pay accountants lots of money so that they can be on "welfare". for some reason, that statement just doesn't feel right.

people generally are happy when they see that they get a return for the year, people are not generally happy when they see that they are "welfare" dependents.

Getting a return can be getting some of your own money back, not welfare, surely you remember that from back when you paid taxes. Please point out where I said it was. Getting back more than you put in is getting someone else's money. That would be welfare. If a company like, oh Solyndra, gets money for nothing and their chicks for free it's corporate welfare but still welfare. If a company like GE just gets to keep all of their taxes at a net 0, that's just corporatism, not welfare.

 

[UncleBuck]

Getting a return can be getting some of your own money back, not welfare, surely you remember that from back when you paid taxes. Please point out where I said it was. Getting back more than you put in is getting someone else's money. That would be welfare. If a company like, oh Solyndra, gets money for nothing and their chicks for free it's corporate welfare but still welfare. If a company like GE just gets to keep all of their taxes at a net 0, that's just corporatism, not welfare.

the EITC and corporate loopholes are tax breaks, not welfare.

but please proceed on the demonization of seniors and the working class. it worked out so well for you guys last time that i hope you guys keep repeating it every time.

maybe throw in some talk about rape babies as gifts from god. oh, and don't forget to tell us how much you hate contraception. hey, women are only 50% of the voting public, no big deal, right?

GOP = winning.

 

[Doer]

So, you are not trying to make me feel bad with the age-ist comments?

demonization of seniors

 

[Dr Kynes]

I lose 25 percent of my pay check every week

yes, and i loose about 30% all told between federal state & local taxes, social security taxes, medicare taxes, etc etc etc... but the feds are only getting you in ACTUAL IRS INCOME TAX for 10-15%, but if yopu wanmt fairness youll have to pay 35% in federal tax just like those evil rich asshole republicans like madonna and demi lovato, or get thrown in jail like that evil rich asshole republican wesley snipes...

you half ass leftists always bitch about "fairness" and "income equality' but you are incapable of thinking about how actual fairness would work, so instyead yo envision a new definition of "fairness and equality" which results in every crab who has almost climbed out of the bucket being pulled right back down to where you are.

great job on the thinking numbnuts. what if the "fairness" you crave so badly is placed at the "seniors who have to eat cat food level" and your maximum allowed take home pay becomes $750/month from which you must pay the rent/mortgage, buy grub, keep clothing on your back, pay for the new obama-mandated health insurance premiums and get to and from your job, since you dont qualify for the awesome retirement package that gam gam gets. youll take home $750 /month, and never do any better than that, but you CAN do worse, so you better keep that job, because Skid Row awaits, and youll be drinking sterno next to a flaming garbage can if you slack off.

does fairness and equality still sound like a sweet deal to you dippledink?