ghengiskhan
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Keep in mind, most people clone plants that they find the best traits in. IE healtiest looking ones. I don't see a problem with cloning clones, maybe in a few thousand years it'll get messed up, but not today.
Clones vs mother clones
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Lord Dangly Bits
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You know FDD I always conplain about how people preach about something, when in fact they have only read about it. Which I am guilty of. Cloning a sheep, and cloning a plant seem to be two different things. Cloneing a plant is almost not really a true cloning proccess. If you were to clone a sheep in the same way, you would cut one of it legs off and walla another sheep, but this is not how it is done with animals. Even though the journals I read also talked about plants, after thinking about it more. When you cut the plant and make a CLONE, in fact you have the same exact plant, just continueing to grow the clipping again.i can type it right here, then you read it. doesn't make it true.
i can only go by what i know. i know of local strains that have been clone only for years. i buy clones then clone them then take clones back to the club i got them at. those get taken and cloned then the clones are brought back. it's still the same bud after all these years. i know this first hand. this is not something i've read. i have worked with clones cloned from cloned clones and NEVER had issues. now i can read something that tells me that's not true but i really don't need to at this point.
i will continue to clone clones.
After thinking about this and researching it more I have to tend to believe what you are saying is correct FDD. I think all of these scientist are clumping cloning into one big ball, when in fact there is animal cloneing, then there is plant cloning. Two different subjects I would think now.
But now after much more reading, I feel that taking a cutting and making it root is in fact not truely CLONING. I know a guy who can take a hole punch of a leaf from a plant, put it in the jellitone solution and it will desolve, about a month later a little root system will start to apear, after another month you will see what appears to be a little plant. This is what I now think to be true cloning of a plant.
But Hell I do not know, I am to knew to cloning to have a good understanding.
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i get it. makes perfect since. there is no genetic breakdown so nothing gets lost or mixed. taking cuttings truly is not cloning. it's just "rooting".
i think you can have "weak" cuttings though. if taken from an unhealthy mother, then not properly cared for. then cuttings are taken from that. i think this may be what people see. i don't think this is a genetic loss. with the right care and attention these "weak" cuttings can be vegged out long enough to produce healthy cuttings yet again.
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terpenophenolic
Actually to get technical, we are not cloning it's called asexual propagation, and the result is offspring that are identical to the original plant " clones " they are exactly the same in every way, what happens...whether you use a mother or you take clones from clones you lose vigor,but this is because of age, and the mother or clones or the clones of clones will all have the same age, and after many years of veg an annual plant loses vigor........the photo copy analogy is a bad one from Jorge Cervantes' old grow book..he has since corrected himself....asexual propagation is nothing like making photocopies and the 2 should not be compared....
you can clone a clone without any problems....I never keep mothers and never have any problems.......clone from a clone from a clone from a clone from a clone from a clone....................people have reported doing it up to 20 times with no change at all in the plant.....
they cross it with something else then back-cross the something else out of it. i'm guessing.
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terpenophenolic
it just happens, you grow out a seed from some bud or seed pack , and it so awesome and unique, you name it, you are not the breeder , but the person who discovered it, and you don't know how to breed to stabilize this beauty in seed form ,that you found so you don't , but you take clones and share it and every one loves it, no one may be sure what the cross is but it's here and it rocks, and everyone shares there clones with every one else, and you have created a clone only stain, there are other ways to tell the story but you get the idea....
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terpenophenolic
then it would not be clone only......
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terpenophenolic
many breeders do and are doing it with some of the clone only stains, but it takes time and you may not every truly capture the original in seed form....you use a process called cubing and it is possible.....
Lord Dangly Bits
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You should have stuck with the post before this one. What the hell are you trying to say? I think you grow Mushrooms, and I need you to teach me how.it just happens, you grow out a seed from some bud or seed pack , and it so awesome and unique, you name it, you are not the breeder , but the person who discovered it, and you don't know how to breed to stabilize this beauty in seed form ,that you found so you don't , but you take clones and share it and every one loves it, no one may be sure what the cross is but it's here and it rocks, and everyone shares there clones with every one else, and you have created a clone only stain, there are other ways to tell the story but you get the idea....
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Lord Dangly Bits
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Here is what they did with train wreck.
They flowered a train wreck female, with a different male strain, they take these seeds and repollinated them to another trainwreck plant. each time they do this they divide the type of plant by 50%, so as you can see, it would not take that much time to have 90% train wreck seeds for sell.