If you have nothing to hide, why do you care about government surveillence?

cannabineer

cannabineer

Ursus marijanus
Total Head said:
did you just shit on baseball in a surveillance thread? are you saying that beloved sports and vigilance about surveillance cannot or should not coexist?
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If we ignore the old warning about correlation v. causation - I might observe that our nation's greatest decades coincided with the ball-stick thingy being called and widely followed as America's Pastime. cn
 
Doer

Doer

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Antidisestablishmentarian said:
So out of roughly 1.5 million soldiers, more than 750,000 commit suicide?(his claim. You are spot on for deaths. He did not say that though.)
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Well, talk about a bunny stretch! It is true now that Combat is in a temporary lull, that suicide rates did exceed combat deaths on a monthly basis recently. But, I don't see tha it is because we are harming soldiers, more than usual.

This was debated extensively after the Civil War, and has not stopped. War is hell. You see too much, but are we any more wimpy as soldiers now, compared to the general population? Hardly.

Still safer to be a solider, than in your home county getting into bar fights, drunk driving, etc.
That's right, even including combat deaths is is safer to be a solider.
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The Pentagon says that although the military suicide rate has been rising, it remains below that of the civilian population. It says the civilian suicide rate for males aged 17-60 was 25 per 100,000 in 2010, the latest year for which such statistics are available. That compares with the military's rate in 2012 of 17.5 per 100,000.
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-201_162-57563857/u.s-military-suicides-exceed-combat-deaths/
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Not saying anything but War is Hell.
 
abandonconflict

abandonconflict

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Doer said:
Well, talk about a bunny stretch! It is true now that Combat is in a temporary lull, that suicide rates did exceed combat deaths on a monthly basis recently. But, I don't see tha it is because we are harming soldiers, more than usual.

This was debated extensively after the Civil War, and has not stopped. War is hell. You see too much, but are we any more wimpy as soldiers now, compared to the general population? Hardly.

Still safer to be a solider, than in your home county getting into bar fights, drunk driving, etc.
That's right, even including combat deaths is is safer to be a solider.
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The Pentagon says that although the military suicide rate has been rising, it remains below that of the civilian population. It says the civilian suicide rate for males aged 17-60 was 25 per 100,000 in 2010, the latest year for which such statistics are available. That compares with the military's rate in 2012 of 17.5 per 100,000.
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-201_162-57563857/u.s-military-suicides-exceed-combat-deaths/
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Not saying anything but War is Hell.
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Pentagon pushing Newspeak through CBS.

The military suicide rate passed that of the civilian population in 2008 and the gap has continued to grow since.

Here's some different newspeak.

http://www.examiner.com/article/how-suicide-rates-the-military-compare-to-civilian-populations

That's just active duty, veterans have a rate of suicide more than triple that of civilians.
 
Doer

Doer

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The thing about surveillance. It works both ways. We Citizens have awesome powers. The Picture is far mightier than the Pen.

The problem with nothing to hide, is what us geeks call Internet Persistence. Now, you might have nothing to hide but, adults are embarrassed by their teen bare asses, etc.

And there is this. What is good today is bad tomorrow. That includes everything in self rule.

So, lots of Si-Fi on this topic. In the future the computers will watch us, doing nothing wrong. Well, what if SkyNet or Veronica, or the Minority Report decides, this is indeed wrong, "wreaking the Planet or Eugenic or Weather Gods, or whatever fruit loop of the day got coded in. Now, suddenly conditions have collided and all humans are wrong. Strike that, the human gene pool is an error.

So, wear your foil lined ball caps, they can already control our thoughts, by controlling the thoughts of our parents, etc. And so many, many people just vote the straight party line, just like all their extended family. They never even think about the issues.
 
cannabineer

cannabineer

Ursus marijanus
abandonconflict said:
So just continue on destroying it?
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I would think the whole point is to get our dirty laundry (the heavy industry on which any high-energy civilization relies) out of the glorious beautiful fragile precious onionskin that is the biosphere. Then, out of our abundance, restore the surface to wild state.
Planetary surfaces are the cradle of mind. Asteroid and Kuiper belts will be its romper room.
That is my vision, and I find it beautiful, a vision of great hope.
cn
 
abandonconflict

abandonconflict

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cannabineer said:
I would think the whole point is to get our dirty laundry (the heavy industry on which any high-energy civilization relies) out of the glorious beautiful fragile precious onionskin that is the biosphere. Then, out of our abundance, restore the surface to wild state.
Planetary surfaces are the cradle of mind. Asteroid and Kuiper belts will be its romper room.
That is my vision, and I find it beautiful, a vision of great hope.
cn
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You're a utopian.
 
Doer

Doer

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cannabineer said:
I would think the whole point is to get our dirty laundry (the heavy industry on which any high-energy civilization relies) out of the glorious beautiful fragile precious onionskin that is the biosphere. Then, out of our abundance, restore the surface to wild state.
Planetary surfaces are the cradle of mind. Asteroid and Kuiper belts will be its romper room.
That is my vision, and I find it beautiful, a vision of great hope.
cn
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Well, Delta-V, the energy budget. The first Protein Deposit will undoubtedly be Luna. And then the 1st and 2nd Lagrange points are good bets for DNA outposts. We may already have the Luna depot. Why tell us?
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silasraven

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why? 24 years my government has known 100% of everything about me. anytime i went to the hospital it was a military one. now im thinking and working on ways anything i have they dont know about. even to the amount of food i have at one time.
 
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