Recycled Organic Living Soil (ROLS) and No Till Thread

headtreep

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Another Kick ass post by Cootz!!!! Thanks again CC.


Source: https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=257899&page=76


Well - I guess this is as good a place as any to post this...

I purchased a full bag of diastatic malt which is the version with the highest levels of enzymes in the barley malt arena vs. non-diastatic malt which are the flavored malts. No enzymes but the endosperm is roasted at different temperatures and for different times depending on what they're wanting to achieve. The simple sugars in the endosperm are converted to Maltose which you've probably seen on food labels.

The malt came from a large 'malt house' as they're known as and this one is Great Western Malting which is 80 years old and they have 2 malt houses in the US - Vancouver, Washington & Pocatello, Idaho and 10 regional sales & distribution operations around the country.

They produce malts for the distilling, brewing & food industries (the Maltose deal). They even do an organic line.

I gave 10 lb. bags to 5 people that were interested. They all had been doing the sprouting a seed process and this went far beyond growing MMJ. Plants included tomatoes, peppers, flowering plants, mints, etc. These were all greenhouse set-ups.

The results and comments were all the same as my observations: there was no measurable difference in the results. Having said that I did not ask about MMJ nor did anyone offer any comments so I only have my experience using the powder vs. v2.0 with the same strain from the same mother plant.

I ran diastatic malt on one plant and the SST v2.0 on the other. They looked like that they will be done by tomorrow or perhaps Thursday. The changes were identical in every respect.

I learned that malt houses have to use strict procedures to insure the same results. Imagine the repercussions from a bad batch hitting a national brewer or even in the home brewing circle.

The price that I paid at a brewing store was $75.00 which may or may not be fair. It probably is not. A single pound at the same store was $3.00 so they aren't doing anyone any great deals.

The amount that I used through the entire cycle was 1 tablespoon which is 'close enough' to 1/2 oz. or at least close enough to figure out an application cost. A pound would give you 32 tablespoons making 32 gallons. Even at the single-pound price, your cost is below $.10 per gallon.

So that's buying it at a brew store but there's a better way to get your hand on this malt version - food-service companies. In the sector for bakeries they sell a 10 lb. pack which lists for $19.99 and companies like Sysco, Monarch Foods, Shamrock Foods, Food Services of America and other regional players will either stock it or can get it with a special order. There is also a baking supplier, Bake Mark, which is national so they would always carry this malt. It's pretty standard in the artisan and high-end baking world.

There you go......

CC
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headtreep

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diastatic malt a new replacement from SST 2.0 it seems. Especially those who need something that's easy and fast (Like none of us like that lol).

Per Cootz

Mix 1/2 oz of powder with 1 gal water and hit the soil 1x each week. That's all you need to do.
 

kushking42

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im gonna have to start frequenting the new mega thread over there more. that is so much more practical for me.
 

Cann

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health food stores :)


and yeah, the ROLS megathread is the best most direct source for goodies...especially now that the old coot is back around :bigjoint:
 

hyroot

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Walmart has coconuts... I just seen them. Same price as the market down the street. Same coconuts too. From Mexico. 1 coconut gave me 1/2 cup of water. Another same size coconut gave me 3 cups of water. Its obviously more concentrate than bottled coconut water.


Shaved down the coconut, dried it out and made some cookies and thc cookies
 

hyroot

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I have not seen any at costco. But from store to store the inventory and costs vary. either fresh coconuts or powder would be the way to. bottled coconut water is too expensive. $4 a liter and thats enough for almost 5 gal of water.
 

dl290485

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"sprouted dried and ground into flour"
That does sound like the sst instructions... but how could it be tested?
I was once told by hydro shop owner that enzyme strength can be tested by seeing how long either a tissue or maybe piece of paper takes to dissolve in it. Has anyone heard of such a test or anything else like it? I tried to google it but ended up with a whole heap of stuff like unrelated science and health pages.

edit

Ok I did a bit more googling and come up with this:
"Get 3 STERILE test tubes (preferably glass). Use a tablespoon of your zyme product in one and the competition in the other and plain tap water in the 3rd for a control. Now cut equal 1 inch x 1 inch square pieces of paper. Put a square of paper in each tube. Wait about 12 hours and start to stir and mix each tube. A GOOD zyme product will disolve the paper in 12 hours completly. This demonstrates the ability of the product to disolve organic matter, like dead roots for example."

I'm not a scientist but I would double what the say to do. Use 2 samples of the barley flour, 2 of the sst and I guess 2 control samples too. If you only use 1 sample, you invite more chance of a freak result- unless the test has failed to be accurate the samples of the same type shouldn't vary. Anyway someone go try it now :P
 

GreenSanta

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hi guys, I had to run to the corner store for molasses yesterday and they didnt have organic unsulfured blackstrap molasses, all they had was Cosby's all natural blackstrap molasses ... is the ''unsulfured'' necessary? will my tea work? I gotta say the molasses didnt look all that natural compared with the one I normally use. Thank you.
 

hyroot

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Gs just use less. Sulphur is the British way of spelling sulfur With unsulphered in the 3rd processig sulfur dioxide is released into the air. Which sulfur dioxide is also found in rain water, vitamin b1, epsom salts, etc... depending on how much is in the molasses... that wi determine how much to use.
 

headtreep

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That looks really interesting GreenSanta. Matter of fact a got a buddy deconstructing some fabric pots to make us our own fabric grow beds instead of buying. I use 2 gal and 7 gal but 5 gal is the lowest recommend.
 

dl290485

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A coco pot? I've only seen seedling pots made out of coco. The idea of the seedling one is that they last long enough to get the seedling going but then you just drop the whole thing into a bigger pot and it breaks down- so you don't have to try to tap a seedling out of a little pot.

How long is that big coco bag going to last? Is it maybe meant for growing a tree in a nursery and then wacking the whole pot in the ground instead of tapping it out? Or is it sturdy and will last somewhat like a nylon or hessian bag?
 

GreenSanta

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Yes I am aware of that. I won't move it. Next time I ll order the smart pots again... I had a hard time finding the right size and I thought I would try something new. Def. an expensive bag I thought I would make 2 bags out of the 11ft (38$) but I doubled it to make it sturdier. If I need to move it I ll slide a tarp under... I figure I would probably get a couple years out of it if I dont need to move it?

I ll roll landscape fabric around when it begins to fall apart.
 
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