Recycled Organic Living Soil (ROLS) and No Till Thread
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headtreep
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The only time I have used the 30 ml for foliar is when I was spraying some cuttings. I was going to just try the product all by itself per directions for cuttings.
Yeah dudes, again I'm sorry for leaving that out. Also if I have used that much to foliar in the past and it will damage just like too TSM-7 after multiple applications
I like to make things very easy on myself since gardening consumes about half my life already. I mix the aloe, coconut, ful-power, kelp powder and silica in a 5 gal jug filled with RO. I cut that solution in half when I foliar. I don't mind coconut on my leaves as mentioned before and I'm a firm believer of less is more. Sometimes I fail to mention that my personal teas on paper look strong but I always cut my stuff down with water to make sure there is enough to share for all plants. Always.
Yeah dudes, again I'm sorry for leaving that out. Also if I have used that much to foliar in the past and it will damage just like too TSM-7 after multiple applications
I like to make things very easy on myself since gardening consumes about half my life already. I mix the aloe, coconut, ful-power, kelp powder and silica in a 5 gal jug filled with RO. I cut that solution in half when I foliar. I don't mind coconut on my leaves as mentioned before and I'm a firm believer of less is more. Sometimes I fail to mention that my personal teas on paper look strong but I always cut my stuff down with water to make sure there is enough to share for all plants. Always.
headtreep
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CC is the man. I like this for people that are new. Posted today 
Here's a potting soil that one could put together at Concentrates for chump-change.
1 Alaska Peat Pony Bale (2.2 c.f.) - $9.00
1 c.f. Pumice (3 sizes to choose from) - $4.60
1 c.f. Oly Mtn. Fish Compost (certified organic) - $5.25
Total is $19.85 for 4 c.f. base potting soil
If one didn't want to buy full bags of amendments, they have self-serve bulk on the important ones. The current prices are as follows:
Cascade Minerals Balast - $.55 per lb. You would need 2 lbs. per c.f.
Crab Meal - $.95 per lb. You would need 1/4 lb. per c.f.
Kelp Meal - $2.00 per lb. You would need 1/4 lb. per c.f.
You would need 1/4 lb. per c.f. on Neem meal which you would have to source elsewhere
Once you plant your rooted starts in their pots you would want to top-dress with vermicompost - up to 2" is all that is required.
How's that for cheap? I have a cycle ready to flower that has this exact recipe/formula. Growth rate, health, vigor is picture perfect.
CC
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Source: https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=260878&page=7
Thanks CC!!!!!!
Here's a potting soil that one could put together at Concentrates for chump-change.
1 Alaska Peat Pony Bale (2.2 c.f.) - $9.00
1 c.f. Pumice (3 sizes to choose from) - $4.60
1 c.f. Oly Mtn. Fish Compost (certified organic) - $5.25
Total is $19.85 for 4 c.f. base potting soil
If one didn't want to buy full bags of amendments, they have self-serve bulk on the important ones. The current prices are as follows:
Cascade Minerals Balast - $.55 per lb. You would need 2 lbs. per c.f.
Crab Meal - $.95 per lb. You would need 1/4 lb. per c.f.
Kelp Meal - $2.00 per lb. You would need 1/4 lb. per c.f.
You would need 1/4 lb. per c.f. on Neem meal which you would have to source elsewhere
Once you plant your rooted starts in their pots you would want to top-dress with vermicompost - up to 2" is all that is required.
How's that for cheap? I have a cycle ready to flower that has this exact recipe/formula. Growth rate, health, vigor is picture perfect.
CC
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Source: https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=260878&page=7
Thanks CC!!!!!!
headtreep
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hyroot http://www.kisorganics.com/products/shop/crabcrustacean-meal <====== I got the max that would fit in flatrate box and it was a good deal
You can really get most of this stuff shipped at a reasonable rate but you must look around the web pretty much. Cann should know where to get local Socal stuff. I used to live there but been away many years so I don't know.
Back to my topic on nutes and teas schedules here is mine and this time it's all solid info used today in today's programs. I know we all do things a little different and at different times so here is mine.
PS It's always good to check each others work. We call that a "second pair of eyes" so we don't fuck up things. I do update multiple threads on many other boards so there is room for error. This is stupid and lazy easy. Took me awhile to figure out on how not to use so many jugs. I don't have the time for all that.
*If anyone sees that someone maybe using too much, do that person a favor and give them a shout.
VEG-HARVEST (except foliars)
All this in a 5 gal jug of RO water
Drench:
7 days a week
5 gal RO water
150 ml ful-power
25 ml silica
150 ml Liquid kelp concentrate (made from soluble kelp powder)
1.25 TSP Aloe Powder
1.25 TSP Coconut water Powder
Nute Foliar:
2 days a week
Same solution as above cut with 50% water. I use a spray bottle and fill halfway with solution other half RO water.
IPM foliar:
1 day a week and sometimes 2
Same solution as above but add an oil like neem or peppermint at 5ml per gal
SST (Seed Sprout Tea):
1-3x depending on time. These are important so I shoot for at least 2x per week.
ACT
1 x a month
I don't bubble comfrey or too many herbs anymore. I just topdress that stuff or make a salad of herbs sometimes when I feel it's needed.
I hope this helps...
*****edit: BioAg TM-7 I will use Twice a month at 1/4 tsp per gal rate or more depending how much water I use to cut. I use same drench recipe but I leave out the ful-power.
You can really get most of this stuff shipped at a reasonable rate but you must look around the web pretty much. Cann should know where to get local Socal stuff. I used to live there but been away many years so I don't know.
Back to my topic on nutes and teas schedules here is mine and this time it's all solid info used today in today's programs. I know we all do things a little different and at different times so here is mine.
PS It's always good to check each others work. We call that a "second pair of eyes" so we don't fuck up things. I do update multiple threads on many other boards so there is room for error. This is stupid and lazy easy. Took me awhile to figure out on how not to use so many jugs. I don't have the time for all that.
*If anyone sees that someone maybe using too much, do that person a favor and give them a shout.
VEG-HARVEST (except foliars)
All this in a 5 gal jug of RO water
Drench:
7 days a week
5 gal RO water
150 ml ful-power
25 ml silica
150 ml Liquid kelp concentrate (made from soluble kelp powder)
1.25 TSP Aloe Powder
1.25 TSP Coconut water Powder
Nute Foliar:
2 days a week
Same solution as above cut with 50% water. I use a spray bottle and fill halfway with solution other half RO water.
IPM foliar:
1 day a week and sometimes 2
Same solution as above but add an oil like neem or peppermint at 5ml per gal
SST (Seed Sprout Tea):
1-3x depending on time. These are important so I shoot for at least 2x per week.
ACT
1 x a month
I don't bubble comfrey or too many herbs anymore. I just topdress that stuff or make a salad of herbs sometimes when I feel it's needed.
I hope this helps...
*****edit: BioAg TM-7 I will use Twice a month at 1/4 tsp per gal rate or more depending how much water I use to cut. I use same drench recipe but I leave out the ful-power.
Cann
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cootz is lucky, he lives close to Concentrates Inc - a large agricultural supply store in portland. very nice pricing on everything/great selection. down here in so-cal things are about twice as expensive...and way harder to find lol. oly mountain fish compost is nowhere to be seen haha thats why I use bu's blend compost (another cootz recommendation - and its local). no way you're going to find a bag of bu's blend for $6 though lol...the cheapest I can get is around $10 a bag
headtreep - thanks for the clarification
you're schedule is a lot like mine...no time to post in now, will later in a few days..things are crazy busy around here always. i've turned nocturnal lol...i woke up yesterday afternoon, worked in the garden outdoors til sunset, then worked in my indoor garden for a few hrs, then trimmed all night, then at 6 am went outside and worked in the outdoor garden again (by far the nicest time of day in so-cal...at least this time of year) then crashed at 10. woke up about half an hour ago....lol bout to do the whole thing over again. peace 
hope that makes sense i'm high as hell and in a hurry...
Mohican
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headtreep
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cootz is lucky, he lives close to Concentrates Inc - a large agricultural supply store in portland. very nice pricing on everything/great selection. down here in so-cal things are about twice as expensive...and way harder to find lol. oly mountain fish compost is nowhere to be seen haha thats why I use bu's blend compost (another cootz recommendation - and its local). no way you're going to find a bag of bu's blend for $6 though lol...the cheapest I can get is around $10 a bag
headtreep - thanks for the clarification
Yeah man I've been off track too myself with my schedule and it's messing with my health a bit. I should take an internet break while I'm on vacation.
headtreep
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I use my own vermicompost now but in the past I source local stuff and for reg compost I use bioflora fish and kelp at 6 cfu. I also use bus blend and whatever else I can find that is quality. Bu's blend in AZ is 16 bucks cfu so we go light on that one. My vermicompost I get is a buck a pound and worth it.
FYI It's best to use a mix of commercial compost incase one is lacking imo. Back to diversity.
FYI It's best to use a mix of commercial compost incase one is lacking imo. Back to diversity
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sullivan666
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I'm going to be using my own castings too, eventually, but I need quite a bit for my outdoor garden so I'll be sourcing from http://www.vermilove.com The worm whisper, she's basically down the street from me and has awesome live castings. $5/lb but worth it.
As for compost I use a mix of my own and this local dude Peter's stuff http://phoenix.craigslist.org/evl/grd/3784093097.html $8/cuft and its good quality.
As for amendments there's a great nursery in Phoenix called Baker's http://www.bakernurseryaz.com/ that has lots of good stuff. A bit pricey on some things, but no shipping and the people are very down to earth.
As for compost I use a mix of my own and this local dude Peter's stuff http://phoenix.craigslist.org/evl/grd/3784093097.html $8/cuft and its good quality.
As for amendments there's a great nursery in Phoenix called Baker's http://www.bakernurseryaz.com/ that has lots of good stuff. A bit pricey on some things, but no shipping and the people are very down to earth.
hyroot
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I went there a couple years ago all they had was fox farm, dr. earth, and a few things from grow more and horse manure compost and chicken manure compost. everything was way expensive. Have they gotten better?
they had gardening stuff too but not much along the lines for nutes
jstone1633
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Has this been answered yet? Id like to know myself.
headtreep
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I was trying to look at degradation rates of this stuff but I figured it would be a bit of research to find out how long it takes for the "goods" to break down. I would say if you get to using in the same day you should be ok. As the days pass effectiveness and results may vary but doubtful any harm will take place.
I would say use it ASAP
kushking42
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i started putting a 1/2 tsp per gallon citric acid when i do my foliar applications outside. im up to 10 gallons to cover the whole canopy and it takes longer than 20 minutes. i figured this would keep me from running around like a mad man lol..
Galvatron
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i just found this thread and have been doing something very similar for the past few years for my outdoors gardens and grows. i recycle all my used soils but i dont plant straight into the freshly chopped containers i like to chop the roots up, i put it all in a bin to break down. right now i have a 16 gal container of recycled and amended soil cooking, its been cooking for a few months and i just keep adding new stuff to it whenever i have material.
the base is peat and compost, i also add spent coir. its amended with neem cake, egg shells, lobster/crab meal, kelp and a bunch of things i dont even remember. what you cant see is a complete lobster head that i stuffed in there 3 weeks ago and its already broken down to small bits. i was surprised how fast it broke down. i use this mix outside only because im afraid of bringing in unwanted pests to my indoor garden. all my outdoor mj plants that i make seeds with are grown in the organic stuff.
the plant in the picture just got sprayed with aloe vera gel mixed with water last night and its looking happy. i have a huge aloe vera plant growing and never thought to use it as a foliar spray but now i know better cus of this thread. thanks!
the base is peat and compost, i also add spent coir. its amended with neem cake, egg shells, lobster/crab meal, kelp and a bunch of things i dont even remember. what you cant see is a complete lobster head that i stuffed in there 3 weeks ago and its already broken down to small bits. i was surprised how fast it broke down. i use this mix outside only because im afraid of bringing in unwanted pests to my indoor garden. all my outdoor mj plants that i make seeds with are grown in the organic stuff.
the plant in the picture just got sprayed with aloe vera gel mixed with water last night and its looking happy. i have a huge aloe vera plant growing and never thought to use it as a foliar spray but now i know better cus of this thread. thanks!
