So I killed a fly..

mindphuk

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Yeah :) Like BB stated, evolved is a confusing term in this context. In the last sentence, I'd replace the word evolve with progressed at best, maybe simply went...
I believe the equivocation is purposeful. He intends to distort the meaning, which is why I won't engage anymore. It's an insidious and dishonest tactic.
 

eye exaggerate

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I believe the equivocation is purposeful. He intends to distort the meaning, which is why I won't engage anymore. It's an insidious and dishonest tactic.
...mp, I hope you realize that I am not a tactic-y kind of person. This is all off the cuff and just where I'm at (at this present moment in time).

Tic Tac? Tic Tac "big" TOE?

 

mindphuk

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I pointed out your equivocation in post 55 yet you continued to argue and misuse the word 'evolve.' If you intend it to have meaning outside of biology when we are discussing things that are biological, and it should be clear that is how your interlocutor is using it, it is your responsibility to clarify that or use different terminology.
 

eye exaggerate

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I pointed out your equivocation in post 55 yet you continued to argue and misuse the word 'evolve.' If you intend it to have meaning outside of biology when we are discussing things that are biological, and it should be clear that is how your interlocutor is using it, it is your responsibility to clarify that or use different terminology.
...duely noted (haha!)

...is your consciousness affected by your environment? Is dna affected by environment? I'm half-sure that it is. Given this, I feel that proper use of my intellect and consciousness will affect my matter in a positive way. Future generations of mine will see the benefits, unless I am mistaken about that. <---all that I have been trying to say. It looks clear to me. No hidden agenda that I've sliced in.
 

Heisenberg

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"Consciousness is simply the real time processing of sensory input and internal communication and monitoring. Our experience of reality is demonstrably constructed by the brain. When you alter the underlying brain function, you alter that construction. People can be made to feel as if they do not control their own limbs, or that they have extra limbs, or that sound has a color, that parts of the world do not exist, that their spouse has been replaced by an imposter, or that they are one with the universe. We can do all this by poking around in the brain." -Steven Novella

The easy problem is - does the brain cause the mind. From a scientific point of view, it does. The hypothesis that the brain causes consciousness makes many predictions, all of which have held up so far. The hard question is how does the brain cause the mind. That question is completely unanswered, which means, it is at this point where scientific methodology may be insufficient, and philosophical ideas can be debated. What we do not see is any phenomena separate from subjective experience that can not be explained by the brain and would require some outside will. IOW, we have no reason to suppose the mind and brain are separate other than the fact that we are ignorant of how the brain manifests consciousness. It becomes a case of filling in the gaps with an unfalsifiable notion, just as creationists do. The difference is, creationists are supernatural dualists, while panpsychism is naturalistic dualism.

The desire is on the side that wants the human mind to be something more than an emergent phenomena of the brain. The simplicity is in the fact that materialism does not try to go beyond what we currently know, its reach does not exceed its grasp. The dualistic view makes as many assumptions as needed to reach its conclusion.
 

cannabineer

Ursus marijanus
...3 contained in the 1 that is 4?
Allow me to get serious for a moment, eye. Sometimes you need to meet folks on common ground. The byplay delights me but can really exasperate folks trying to have a discourse that advances. You did a bit too much watermelon seed (slippery, fast) today the way i read it. I counsel balance. "Evolution" is more of a term of the art than the necessarily vaguer "consciousness". Don't do a CWE, please. cn
 

eye exaggerate

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Allow me to get serious for a moment, eye. Sometimes you need to meet folks on common ground. The byplay delights me but can really exasperate folks trying to have a discourse that advances. You did a bit too much watermelon seed (slippery, fast) today the way i read it. I counsel balance. "Evolution" is more of a term of the art than the necessarily vaguer "consciousness". Don't do a CWE, please. cn
...nothing intentional. I was addressing time as 4 dimensions.
 

cannabineer

Ursus marijanus
We dignify time with the descriptor "dimension", and yet its nature is so very elusive.

... I spaced there for a moment ...

cn
 

cannabineer

Ursus marijanus
5 days later... You could start by using more than 1 or 2 sentences in a post and not end all of them with "China". What is that about anyway? :razz: nl
That's not China. When I use more sentences, I get negative feedback that way as well. Can't please'm all. cn
 
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