Romney was merely what was left..kinda like last "chosen" when picking teams for dodgeball..IMO
Impossible! The deficit is falling as well as unemployment Obama wrecking economy
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Harrekin
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Cool people yous choose to represent yourself.
Comes with the illusion of an option too, magic underpants or corporation-wanking pseudo-socialist (seems oxymoronic, but Obama is all about that).
Im getting out my "Nietzsche was Right" tshirt to wear today in protest of this thread
Stop drinking the cool-aid, brah.
Your own words "its going down faster this year, than it did last year" prove my point. The country is still spending much more money than it is taking in. Headed in the right direction, but still a negative.
Clinton gets a lot of credit for the ballanced budget. But if you recall, it was Newt Gengrich who basically slammed on the breaks and shut down the government to get the bill passed and signed into law. Newt got the blame, Clinton gets the credit.
Bush - First of all, yeah, he doubled the deficite, but Obama is doubled what Doubled, so in a way, if not for Bush, Obama has quadroupled it.
I dont care if the guy doing the spending has a D or a R next to his name, look at what they spend it on. War, not as big as you think. Medicare - part D, thats expensive. No child left behind (or gets ahead), the Department of Homeland Security (TSA)...
Big government is big government. We had a wolf in sheeps clothing with good ol' W.
And i love liberal logic - "You're attacking our guy for something... Your guy did it too."
You went off into your redemption fantasy precisely because you couldn't.
@ UncleBuck- think of it like this..
Suppose you find out your wife/girlfriend/old lady had screwed like 6 dudes this month. You're blown away, but committed to her. So you tell her if she stopps, you wont leave her.
So the next month comes and goes, and you find out she only screwed 4 dudes that month.
Is that progress?
Suppose you find out your wife/girlfriend/old lady had screwed like 6 dudes this month. You're blown away, but committed to her. So you tell her if she stopps, you wont leave her.
So the next month comes and goes, and you find out she only screwed 4 dudes that month.
Is that progress?
Harrekin
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UncleBuck
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it would be impossible to prove your point, because any point you made was 100%, demonstrably false.
no offense, but i think all the heroin fucked your brain up, sistah.
it would be impossible to say bush doubled or quadrupled or sextupled the deficit, because he started at basically zero. he left with an annual deficit of $1.5 trillion to show for his effort.
under obama, it has gone from $1.5 trillion down to $642 billion. unless you're doing retard math for retards and living in bizarro world to boot, you can't say obama doubled or quadrupled shit.*
the correct terminology for what obama has done to the deficit would be described like this: obama has cut the deficit more than in half.
sorry that your drug addled noggin can't comprehend simple and basic arithmetic, sistah. i'll be happy to correct you when you are wrong in the future, which i can already tell will be a frequent occurrence.*
UncleBuck
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suppose you're a heroin junkie and you're stealing your parent's TV and pawning it 15 times a month to get your fix.
then, the next month, you're only stealing your parents TV 6 times a month to get your fix.
is that progress?
or better yet, suppose you're a heroin junkie and you suck dick 15 times a day to get your fix.
but you decide to cut back so you only suck dick on the street 6 times the next day to get your fix.
is that progress?
Maybe I did some smack, but before that I earned a degree in finance, and completed over half of law school. I also did a summer internship with the IRS. Not an idiot.
You seem unable to understand the relation to the annual deficite and the total national debt. For my part, I don't think I have been clear enough in this. The temrs have been interchanged, both in media, by you, and by me.
Although in the late 90's the annual budget actually went into surplus, the United States had been running annual deficites for some time, and when Bush took office, although there was an annual budget surplus, the nation remained in debt.
Bush doubled the entire national debt by eliminating the annual surplus we had, and creating annual deficites. What Obama did was accrue annual deficites in such great sums that the national debt has doubled since he took office. Bush doubled it also, but Obama doubled Bush's double.
If my averements are demonstrably false, then by all means, demonstrate.
So, kudos to Obama for having a smaller deficite this year than last year, but you seem to think this somehow correlates to a decrease in the national debt, which is the opposite of what is actually happening. We're just not going to accumulate as much debt this year as we did last year.
Please tell me you understand this, if you don't, I'm affraid you are no where near as smart as you feel that you are.
UncleBuck
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no, only you have been doing this.
obama did not accrue those annual deficits, he inherited them. they were massive, structural deficits that he has worked to cut in half and then some.
it seems you have finally grasped the difference between debt and deficit.
i have never claimed that obama cutting the deficit in half correlated to a decrease in the national debt. i'm not sure where you got that notion.
you seem really confused.
You're right, I have been using the wrong terminology. But the essence of my postings still have merit. Take away the error in terms, and what we are left with is some praising Obama for this, and me saying this is no great accomplishment.
Sure, it's a step in the right direction. But it is still like your wife screwing 5 dudes a month instead of 10.
It is still taking us towards a fiscal apocolypse, instead of heading that way at 100mph, were now going 75mph.
Folks like you are saying, "yay the guy driving is slowing down," I'm saying he needs to turn around. Then you come back and say that the guy who was driving before was heading the same way. It's irrelevant, we need to turn around, I don't care who is driving.
Let us carry this logic out further, The defense for a deficite under Obama being that Bush had one too...
So there is a gang rape going on. Is the second guy to rape the chick less culpable than the first guy since there was already someone raping her anyway?
"He did it too" worked great in first grade. I realize that mentally most liberals never progress past this point, but the fact remains that Obama stands on his own. One president can only bind another in very select few circumstances. If Bush ran a deficite, and Obama didn't want one, all he would have to do is redo the budget next time it came time to pass a budget, which is something Obama has not done too much of.
Sure, it's a step in the right direction. But it is still like your wife screwing 5 dudes a month instead of 10.
It is still taking us towards a fiscal apocolypse, instead of heading that way at 100mph, were now going 75mph.
Folks like you are saying, "yay the guy driving is slowing down," I'm saying he needs to turn around. Then you come back and say that the guy who was driving before was heading the same way. It's irrelevant, we need to turn around, I don't care who is driving.
Let us carry this logic out further, The defense for a deficite under Obama being that Bush had one too...
So there is a gang rape going on. Is the second guy to rape the chick less culpable than the first guy since there was already someone raping her anyway?
"He did it too" worked great in first grade. I realize that mentally most liberals never progress past this point, but the fact remains that Obama stands on his own. One president can only bind another in very select few circumstances. If Bush ran a deficite, and Obama didn't want one, all he would have to do is redo the budget next time it came time to pass a budget, which is something Obama has not done too much of.
http://blog.heritage.org/2009/03/24/bush-deficit-vs-obama-deficit-in-pictures/
Besides, even the White House projects this to be but a temporary lul in annual deficites. By their own projections annual deficites are expected to return to nearly 800 Billion dollars, almost twice the highest annual deficite ever ran by President Bush.
Besides, even the White House projects this to be but a temporary lul in annual deficites. By their own projections annual deficites are expected to return to nearly 800 Billion dollars, almost twice the highest annual deficite ever ran by President Bush.
UncleBuck
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bush left office with a structural annual deficit of $1.5 trillion, sweetheart.
UncleBuck
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only the fastest rate of deficit reduction since WWII.
no big deal though.
you realize that even romney said cutting the deficit too drastically too soon was a contractionary policy that would cause more pain than it would help, right?
the stupidest thing you can do during lean economic times is to pass contractionary fiscal policy, but that is exactly what you just said should have been done, right after you got done making fun of liberals for being childish.
oh, the irony.
you're clearly not that bright.
Pain is inevitable. How much pain did the former Soviet Union go through. Our current spending is leading to our collapse.
I do not know your feelings on the issue, but many who share the same side as you want to implement drastic measures in order to avoid global warming consenquences.
I somehow doubt the country would collapse if the government were to contract. Sure, there would be pain felt by many, but the whole would be better off in the long haul.
These, however, are opinions and are not worth discussion. What you and I are discussing are economic models that exist in purity only in the realm of theory.
echelon1k1
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Dude, you pretty much hit the nail on the head...
UncleBuck
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no, it's not.
our spending is nowhere near japan's, and japan is nowhere near collapse several decades later.
you're just repeating stuff you've heard.
Harrekin
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You really think that your economy is doing well?
Your stock market is soaring due to inflated QE dollars and the only deficit reduction Obama did was bring most (not all) of the troops out of Iraq.
Obama has been nothing but an unremitting failure, the "pro pot president" who wont even comment on the Washingston/Colorado legalisation and closed more dispensaries in 4 years than Bush did in 8... He's taking you for a schmuck or a "useful idiot".
UncleBuck
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get your own material.
obama having donee nothing is far better than the alternative as we know it, which is to have done something. i'm frankly a bit surprised that nothing has been said and it looks set to proceed.
any garden variety republican alternative would have slammed the legalization door harder than an outhouse shitter.
but watch anyway in 2016 as tons of members all root for rend pawl.