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[medicineman]

Maybe I should clarify a few things for you. If someone came in my house and I had a gun (I would if I had the money to get one, I'm all for the second ammenment) I would definitely go out and try to prevent the person from stealing my stuff...heres the difference between me and you ...I would not just come out shooting and possibly murder an unarmed person in so called "self defense" because chances are I wont get prosecuted...if you are going to take the risk to confront them, than do it, just dont murder them and ask questions later...if you see they have gun or they charge you than fire, but other than that, I do not think it is ok to kill someone for breaking into your home. You say that you are assuming they have the worst intentions..wouldnt the worst intentions be to murder you in which case, like I said, the smart thing to do would be stay where you are. It seems to me, that if you choose to confront them you have already decided that you are probably arent in that much danger, or that you can outshoot or sneak up on the intruder if they are indeed armed, because the only reason to do so, confront them that is, would be to stop them from ransacking your house...so either you value your things more than your life, or you feel that you are in control of the situation and your life really isnt in that much danger...Look to put it simply, all Im saying is if you are going to confront someone breaking into your home, please try not to kill unarmed people expecially minors, and if you really are in fear of your life, then stay put and call 911. All I was commenting on was your guys shoot first and ask questions later mentality...I believe it really has nothing to do with self defense and stems more from the "fuck with me and I'll kill you" mentality that is so common among americans today. As for everything else you said, I dont see what it has to do with not firing on an unarmed person...

There are the teenage thugs that rob houses, some have guns, then there are the real bad guys who all have guns and if they think you have one they will unload on your ass. the Ideal situaton is to be behind cover and have a bead on them, locked and loaded when a confrontation takes place. By being in my house with a weapon, it pretty much says they are up to no good and would kill you if confronted with a gun. I'd say Halt where you are, and fire if one of them even twitched, two to the chest and one to the head, dead men tell no tales. If out in the open, stand sideways to them presenting a smaller target and placing an arm bone between your vitals and a bullet. These things are taught in self defense classes and required on your carry test. Better to have a shattered femur than a shattered heart.

 

[We TaRdED]

I would assume that if most families owned guns than the Breaking and Entering(B&E) rate would go down. What criminal would want to take a chance of robbing a house that could have someone like FloridaGirl ready to shoot to kill?

I know that if someone broke into my place, than I would certainly shoot to kill. How the hell do I know the persons intentions? For all I know the person could be a serial killer, and I could be the next on his list. So, thats why I would shoot to kill anyone breaking into my house... FYI, I am a very responsible gun owner, but no one stands a chance if they break into my house

RON PAUL REVOLUTION

~PEACE~

 

[hom36rown]

I'd say Halt where you are, and fire if one of them even twitched, two to the chest and one to the head, dead men tell no tales.

Well hopefully burglars would be smart enough not to move, but a young stupid kids first reaction might be to run...I guess its a judgement call at that point...I would say if it looked like the person was running for the door and not trying to engage you in any type of fight than theres no reason to fire really, but if you genuinely felt they may try to find cover and pull a gun of their own then you gotta do what you gotta do I guess...But atleast you gave the person a chance to give up peacefully, thats all Im asking for...but you still come off as a little trigger happy to me med...let me give you a scenario: You come out of your bedroom and find some punk teenager going through your stuff, you can see hes unarmed, you jump out and yell "halt where you are!", his immediate reaction is to run toward the door...would you really kill the kid in this scenario? couldnt you atleast try to avoid shooting him fatally, if not just let him get away?

 

[hom36rown]

I would assume that if most families owned guns than the Breaking and Entering(B&E) rate would go down. What criminal would want to take a chance of robbing a house that could have someone like FloridaGirl ready to shoot to kill?

I know that if someone broke into my place, than I would certainly shoot to kill. How the hell do I know the persons intentions? For all I know the person could be a serial killer, and I could be the next on his list. So, thats why I would shoot to kill anyone breaking into my house... FYI, I am a very responsible gun owner, but no one stands a chance if they break into my house

RON PAUL REVOLUTION

~PEACE~

If you were genuinely worried for your well being the smartest thing to do would be stay in your room and call 911 and have your gun ready if you have one.

 

[We TaRdED]

If you were genuinely worried for your well being the smartest thing to do would be stay in your room and call 911 and have your gun ready if you have one.

Naw man. You can do that in your place, but I chose to do what I want in my place. Nothing has been handed to me, so I will not let anyone rob me. They come into my house, than that would be their last mistake. Thats just me though, I'm not trying to act like a big tough guy, its just how I feel. Situations like that are life or death in my opinion, and I'm not going to die in my own home. (you could say that these people just want my TV or w/e, but I don't know that)

RON PAUL REVOLUTION

~PEACE~

 

[hom36rown]

Naw man. You can do that in your place, but I chose to do what I want in my place. Nothing has been handed to me, so I will not let anyone rob me. They come into my house, than that would be their last mistake. Thats just me though, I'm not trying to act like a big tough guy, its just how I feel. Situations like that are life or death in my opinion, and I'm not going to die in my own home. (you could say that these people just want my TV or w/e, but I don't know that)

RON PAUL REVOLUTION

~PEACE~

Like I already said if you will go back and read my posts, I would most likely confront someone in my house if I thought they were alone, because I would figure it is most likely some punk teenager...being that I grew up in the city I knew a lot, and I mean a lot of kids that would do stupid shit like this(they avoided houses with people home, but its happened accidentally to a few people I know) basically just to get drugs, and I didnt really know anyone that carried a gun...so my thinking is if someones in my house, that it is most likely some punk kid whose gonna be scared shitless when I pull my gun on him, which is why I would be inclined not to shoot. If I really did assume the worst, if I really thought there was someone trying to kill me, or that there was more than one intruder, I would lock my door and take cover. Its like I siad beofre, the only reason that you would confront the person would be to stop them from stealing your stuff...in which case you have alreaddy made the assessment that the situation most likely isnt that dangerous(which throws the whole assuming the worst argument out the window) or you value your possessions more than your life. So it comes down to this, either you do like you say and assume the worst, in which case, the safest thing to do is to stay in your locked room, or if you choose to confront the person thats fine... just dont go in with the mentality that this motherfuckers leaving in a body bag. If you sneak up on them and you can plainly see it is a kid and they are unarmed then you shoud do like med said and tell them to halt where they are...give them a chance to surrender peacefully...if they run well then like I said before I guess it becomes a judgement call...if it were me, and they ran for the door I would let them get away, but thats just me, killing people isnt cool man

 

[Florida Girl]

let me give you a scenario: You come out of your bedroom and find some punk teenager going through your stuff, you can see hes unarmed, you jump out and yell "halt where you are!", his immediate reaction is to run toward the door...would you really kill the kid in this scenario? couldnt you atleast try to avoid shooting him fatally, if not just let him get away?

The problem with your scenario is that you can never KNOW someone is unarmed. Sure they may not have a gun in their hand... but maybe when the turn to run away they grab a gun out of their pants (that you didn't see) and turn around to unload into you????

Now... I'd like to think if an intruder headed for the door I wouldn't fire..... shooting someone in the back doesn't sit well with me....but I would keep my gun aimed right for the kill shot... in case they turned around... and then I wouldn't hesitate.

I think we can all speculate.... but until the situation is upon us we never really know. Lets just hope none of us ever have to find out

 

[medicineman]

Well hopefully burglars would be smart enough not to move, but a young stupid kids first reaction might be to run...I guess its a judgement call at that point...I would say if it looked like the person was running for the door and not trying to engage you in any type of fight than theres no reason to fire really, but if you genuinely felt they may try to find cover and pull a gun of their own then you gotta do what you gotta do I guess...But atleast you gave the person a chance to give up peacefully, thats all Im asking for...but you still come off as a little trigger happy to me med...let me give you a scenario: You come out of your bedroom and find some punk teenager going through your stuff, you can see hes unarmed, you jump out and yell "halt where you are!", his immediate reaction is to run toward the door...would you really kill the kid in this scenario? couldnt you atleast try to avoid shooting him fatally, if not just let him get away?

Obviously, If I could tell all of the above about the intruder, I wouldn't shoot him in the back. When you get your carry permit, you have to face these types of scenarios. The responsibility of taking someones life is a heavy thing to most sane people. It is only the sociopaths and psychopaths that can do it without feeling guilt or wrongdoing. I don't know what I would do in the dark if I confronted an intruder in my home, hopefully I could get behind some cover and yell halt, but that gives the intruder the advantage if he has his weapon at the ready. It's a decision I hope I never have to make.

 

[hom36rown]

The problem with your scenario is that you can never KNOW someone is unarmed. Sure they may not have a gun in their hand... but maybe when the turn to run away they grab a gun out of their pants (that you didn't see) and turn around to unload into you????

Now... I'd like to think if an intruder headed for the door I wouldn't fire..... shooting someone in the back doesn't sit well with me....but I would keep my gun aimed right for the kill shot... in case they turned around... and then I wouldn't hesitate.

I think we can all speculate.... but until the situation is upon us we never really know. Lets just hope none of us ever have to find out

Yes i guess its almost impossible to imagine every aspect of every scenario. atleast you wouldnt shoot the guy in the back, but you might be so scared and on edge it just hapens. All im saying is there is got to be atleast some scenarios where you dont have to kill the person. The way you and we tard and zen sounded to me is that if someone comes in your house its an automatic death sentence, and I dont think that cool. But I realize its pretty hard to realistically put yourself that in situation, Who know what youd be thinking?

 

[hom36rown]

taking someones life is a heavy thing to most sane people.

Exactly, killing someone is a serious thing and I dont think it should be taken lightly. Like you said hopefully none of us will have to make any of these decisions.

 

[We TaRdED]

Exactly, killing someone is a serious thing and I dont think it should be taken lightly. Like you said hopefully none of us will have to make any of these decisions.

I would have to assume that if someone was breaking into my house than they mean business. I do not know if they have a gun or not. Its either my life of theirs in that situation, call me a sociopath or psychopath, but if someone enters my home than he is most likely a dead man. Homegrown, you may take it lightly that someone is breaking into your house, but I do not. I would not hide in my room while someone loots my belongings(i do not have homeowners insurance at the moment).

Yes, killing someone is serious and I would never want to do it. But, if someone is breaking into my home, than they are going to die.

RON PAUL REVOLUTION

~PEACE~

 

[hom36rown]

whatever, if you dont mind killing someone over a tv thats fine with me...wwjd though?

 

[We TaRdED]

whatever, if you dont mind killing someone over a tv thats fine with me...wwjd though?

Jesus wouldn't be breaking into someones house in the first place

Jk, but I'm not Jesus and I don't trust people that are breaking into my house. So if they do, than I hope they can pull some matrix shit out of my house because bullets are going to be flying... homegrown, I honestly don't ever want to be in that situation, but this world is cut throat and I'm done taking shyt. Sorry dude....... tell your buddies that they are putting their lives in their own hands when they B&E, and hope they don't come near my place.

RON PAUL REVOLUTION

~PEACE~

 

[hom36rown]

See its real simple to see where this mentality comes from if you take a moment to really analyze it..."fuck with me and I'll kill you"...thats all it is basically...well I hope if you ever do get robbed you go out and try to be a hero and get shot for doing so

 

[undertheice]

...wwjd though?

it is probably appropriate to remember that, according to the mythology, jesus was willing to allow himself to be murdered in the name of political expediency. are we to believe you are willing to do the same? are we to believe it is a noble act to allow yourself to be killed so that someone can have you color t.v. and laptop? turning the other cheek in the face of insult or injury is one thing, blithely ignoring the very real threat of death is the mark of a fool.

See its real simple to see where this mentality comes from if you take a moment to really analyze it..."fuck with me and I'll kill you"...thats all it is basically...

i suppose it was to be expected. a typical ploy of the anti-gun forces is to dismiss our instincts for self preservation and protection as juvenile bravado. even when staring down the barrel of an intruder's gun, they will blame the gun and not the criminal for their own death. they deny the fact that our society is not quite so civilized as they would like to believe.

 

[Stoney McFried]

Sorry...I'm not a pacifist. If someone comes into my house uninvited, at the very least they can hope for a good beating.

 

[We TaRdED]

See its real simple to see where this mentality comes from if you take a moment to really analyze it..."fuck with me and I'll kill you"...thats all it is basically...well I hope if you ever do get robbed you go out and try to be a hero and get shot for doing so

Yes, I'm a very peaceful person, but if you break into my house than I would have to protect me, my family and possessions, so beware. I do not go around starting trouble, but if you were to break into my home than you better wear a bullet proof vest.

You can do what you want in your domain, and I can do what I want in mine. If you think I am wrong about my feelings than you can go fly a kite.

If someone is crazy enough to break into my house than I have to assume that they are crazy enough to kill me... I'm not trying to look like some kind of badass dude, but I'm just giving my honest opinions on the subject, take it or leave it..

You can hide in your closet, I will not. My house, my possessions, my life.. I am a very peaceful person, just don't fock with me.

RON PAUL REVOLUTION

~PEACE~

 

[hom36rown]

i suppose it was to be expected. a typical ploy of the anti-gun forces is to dismiss our instincts for self preservation and protection as juvenile bravado. even when staring down the barrel of an intruder's gun, they will blame the gun and not the criminal for their own death. they deny the fact that our society is not quite so civilized as they would like to believe.

Im not anti gun, Im not anti second ammendment

 

[hom36rown]

Sorry...I'm not a pacifist. If someone comes into my house uninvited, at the very least they can hope for a good beating.

Im not a pacifist either, if you would go back and read my posts youd see that I would confront someone in my house, anyone in my house is getting an ass beating if i catch em,

 

[hom36rown]

Yes, I'm a very peaceful person, but if you break into my house than I would have to protect me, my family and possessions, so beware. I do not go around starting trouble, but if you were to break into my home than you better wear a bullet proof vest.

You can do what you want in your domain, and I can do what I want in mine. If you think I am wrong about my feelings than you can go fly a kite.

If someone is crazy enough to break into my house than I have to assume that they are crazy enough to kill me... I'm not trying to look like some kind of badass dude, but I'm just giving my honest opinions on the subject, take it or leave it..

You can hide in your closet, I will not. My house, my possessions, my life.. I am a very peaceful person, just don't fock with me.

RON PAUL REVOLUTION

~PEACE~

Like I said earlier, if you got family that might be a different story(I think if I had kids Id be more inclined to use deadly force), you gotta protect your family...I live by myself...and I can protect myself and I wouldnt let someone steal my shit but I wouldnt just unload on their ass...Im not a pussy, I dont have to shoot an unarmed person...id fuck them up myself