Impossible! The deficit is falling as well as unemployment Obama wrecking economy

[NoDrama]

you just ignored about half of what he wrote.

Notice how none of his issues deal with income taxes?
Probably not, you are after all pretty fucking stupid.
what is 20% of 1000?

its 2 right? LOL

ASU dropout

I didn't know that was possible until you said so.

 

[UncleBuck]

magical mystery tour

you got nothing.

i challenged you to post the quotes and you can't, because everything you just stated is a product of your retarded mind.

now go set the GPS on your tractor to take you to the mailbox, where you pick up your welfare check from the federal government.

 

[UncleBuck]

Notice how none of his issues deal with income taxes?
Probably not, you are after all pretty fucking stupid.
what is 20% of 1000?

its 2 right? LOL

ASU dropout

I didn't know that was possible until you said so.

again, you got nothing.

anyone with two eyes and the ability to read can see how you clearly ignored about half of what kpmarine wrote.

i feel bad that a decent human being like him has to be grouped in with bigoted, plagiarizing, welfare grabbers like yourself.

What about joint filing of taxes? The inability to receive survivor benefits from SS? The lack of an estate tax break afforded to spouses? Lack of means to pursue child support? The lack of a tax break on your significant other's health insurance? The inability to roll over the 401k of a dead spouse and avoid higher taxes on it?

 

[twostrokenut]

So a woman has the right to not testify against her domestic partner in court? I thought you needed to be legally married for that? What about joint filing of taxes? The inability to receive survivor benefits from SS? The lack of an estate tax break afforded to spouses? Lack of means to pursue child support? The lack of a tax break on your significant other's health insurance? The inability to roll over the 401k of a dead spouse and avoid higher taxes on it? Deciding how your spouses body is to be buried/cremated? Hospital visitation? There are a lot of benefits to being married on a federal and legal level.

No you just need to be lawfully married for that because that is Constitutional (edit:the right to not testify against your spouse I mean). "Legally" married is for taxes and other statutory benefits and what not...... To lawfully marry you only need a contract between you, the partner and The Creator.....and perhaps a ledger in your family Bible......

....if it ever comes up, when you don't testify against your partner in court you can, in fact, and in good faith, claim your own right, right there on the spot.....because you would not be lying......this is where I would start if I were gay and wanted to marry seriously.......I know it won't help with 401k at the moment (as that is a legal issue not a lawful one)but it is a good solid foundation that isn't too whiny ya know?

 

[UncleBuck]

No you just need to be lawfully married for that because that is Constitutional. "Legally" married is for taxes and other statutory benefits and what not...... To lawfully marry you only need a contract between you, the partner and The Creator.....and perhaps a ledger in your family Bible......

....if it ever comes up, when you don't testify against your partner in court you can, in fact, and in good faith, claim your own right, right there on the spot.....because you would not be lying......this is where I would start if I were gay and wanted to marry seriously.......I know it won't help with 401k at the moment (as that is a legal issue not a lawful one)but it is a good solid foundation that isn't too whiny ya know?

why would you describe the quest for equal protection under the law as "whiny"?

you're putting your bigoted attitudes on display loud and clear.

 

[kpmarine]

What does survivor benefits, being made a witness against someone etc etc have to do with all these supposed income tax advantages?

People are either so confused as to what is in contention here, or they can't come up with anything so they try to argue things that no one else is.

The post I responded to was not solely about tax benefits. You made it sound like a gay couple could enjoy the same bonuses from the government as a straight couple. I was pointing out that they in fact cannot. Though the parts about rolling over IRA's, joint filing, the inability to write off your spouse's medical insurance, and the lack of an estate tax break are some examples of tax advantages; if you want to try to hold me to goalposts I did not set.

 

[twostrokenut]

why would you describe the quest for equal protection under the law as "whiny"?

you're putting your bigoted attitudes on display loud and clear.

I am not a bigot at all. The guy (or girl tokeprep) I was talking to the whole time in this thread just said he was gay. Did I seem to care? I have been calling him whiny or whatever and he has been calling me stupid and whatever the whole time I have no idea if he is black, gay whatever.

btw the whiny part comes from ppl confusing lawful rights and statutory benefits.

This just seems to be what gets talked about when all other options are exhausted on the left side of things.

edit:Notice we are all talking of rights now instead of economics and how rights relate to teh economy.

It's just name calling because you have run out of substance, I gave substance in that post and I stand by it, don't get your panties in a bunch girl or guy.

 

[SlaveNoMore]

again, you got nothing.

anyone with two eyes and the ability to read can see how you clearly ignored about half of what kpmarine wrote.

i feel bad that a decent human being like him has to be grouped in with bigoted, plagiarizing, welfare grabbers like yourself.

What about joint filing of taxes? The inability to receive survivor benefits from SS? The lack of an estate tax break afforded to spouses? Lack of means to pursue child support? The lack of a tax break on your significant other's health insurance? The inability to roll over the 401k of a dead spouse and avoid higher taxes on it?

You don't have to have been married or even have your name on a child's birth certificate for a mother/father to pursue child support. A simple blood test to identify the father is all that is needed. Child support is big business.

 

[kpmarine]

You don't have to have been married or even have your name on a child's birth certificate for a mother/father to pursue child support. A simple blood test to identify the father is all that is needed. Child support is big business.

A gay couple's only options are surrogacy and artificial insemination. In both cases, only one person in the couple is a biological parent. That's where it gets tricky. Some state courts are finally addressing it.

 

[UncleBuck]

I am not a bigot at all. The guy (or girl tokeprep) I was talking to the whole time in this thread just said he was gay. Did I seem to care? I have been calling him whiney or whatever and he has been calling me stupid and whatever the whole time I have no idea if he is black, gay whatever.

This just seems to be what gets talked about when all other options are exhausted on the left side of things. It's just name calling because you have run out of substance, I gave substance in that post and I stand by it, don't get your panties in a bunch girl or guy.

but you didn't call tokeprep 'whiny', you called his quest for equal protection under the law 'whiny'.

you can tell me that you're not a bigot all you want after that, it doesn't change what you said and the sentiment behind it though.

i am not surprised, either. with rawn pawl supporters, it's almost always just a matter of time until this kind of thing exposes itself.

 

[SlaveNoMore]

A gay couple's only options are surrogacy and artificial insemination. In both cases, only one person in the couple is a biological parent. That's where it gets tricky. Some state courts are finally addressing it.

In the courts it doesn't matter whether a couple is gay or straight. Once a child is adopted by a couple all child support laws apply. The state loves kids because they are easy money. Title-4 allows a state to be reimbursed (in most states) for every dollar collected. Last time I checked there were twice as many child support enforcement officers as there were uniformed law enforcement officers.

*This is coming from the support enforcement officer sitting next to me while smoking a bowl..LOL (they don't get drug tested).

 

[kpmarine]

In the courts it doesn't matter whether a couple is gay or straight. Once a child is adopted by a couple all child support laws apply. The state loves kids because they are easy money. Title-4 allows a state to be reimbursed (in most states) for every dollar collected. Last time I checked there were twice as many child support enforcement officers as there were uniformed law enforcement officers.

*This is coming from the support enforcement officer sitting next to me while smoking a bowl..LOL (they don't get drug tested).

Now tell me how many states allow you to adopt your domestic partner's child. No marriage; no adoption.

 

[SlaveNoMore]

I am looking for the story where two lesbians found a sperm donor and half way through the pregnancy the pregnant woman decided she didn't want to be with her lover anymore and went after the sperm donor for child support and got it!! LMAO talk about a shitty deal.

 

[SlaveNoMore]

Now tell me how many states allow you to adopt your domestic partner's child. No marriage; no adoption.

Good question, I will look it up. My state allows gay marriage.

 

[kpmarine]

Good question, I will look it up. My state allows gay marriage.

I think it's around half of the states actually allow it. At least adoption from foster care. I'm not sure how many would allow the domestic partner to adopt a child that already has a parent.

 

[kpmarine]

No you just need to be lawfully married for that because that is Constitutional (edit:the right to not testify against your spouse I mean). "Legally" married is for taxes and other statutory benefits and what not...... To lawfully marry you only need a contract between you, the partner and The Creator.....and perhaps a ledger in your family Bible......

....if it ever comes up, when you don't testify against your partner in court you can, in fact, and in good faith, claim your own right, right there on the spot.....because you would not be lying......this is where I would start if I were gay and wanted to marry seriously.......I know it won't help with 401k at the moment (as that is a legal issue not a lawful one)but it is a good solid foundation that isn't too whiny ya know?

So as long as I decide I'm married, it's cool? I'm pretty sure you'd need proof of a union the courts view as legal. I don't think my marriage certificate as a Unitarian minister is enough on it's own.

Also, what's "whiny" about wanting to not have to jump through extra hoops to enjoy the same privileges as every other citizen?

 

[NoDrama]

again, you got nothing.

anyone with two eyes and the ability to read can see how you clearly ignored about half of what kpmarine wrote.

i feel bad that a decent human being like him has to be grouped in with bigoted, plagiarizing, welfare grabbers like yourself.

What about joint filing of taxes? The inability to receive survivor benefits from SS? The lack of an estate tax break afforded to spouses? Lack of means to pursue child support? The lack of a tax break on your significant other's health insurance? The inability to roll over the 401k of a dead spouse and avoid higher taxes on it?

But what does any of this have to do with INCOME TAXES.

Stupid, Stupid, Stupid.
Stupid people don't know they are stupid, because they are well, stupid.

 

[NoDrama]

Also, what's "whiny" about wanting to not have to jump through extra hoops to enjoy the same privileges as every other citizen?

Every other citizen? Single people don't get any benefits from being married either. Perhaps its because the government is denying single people the right to equal civil rights?

 

[UncleBuck]

Every other citizen? Single people don't get any benefits from being married either. Perhaps its because the government is denying single people the right to equal civil rights?

pretty soon you're gonna go full stormfront red on us and tell us that gay people already have marriage equality because they can marry a partner of the opposite sex just like hetero people can.

kinda like how women could always vote if they just glued a penis on themselves, or how black people never had to pay any poll taxes or take any literacy tests as long as they painted themselves white.

modrama "logic".

 

[kpmarine]

But what does any of this have to do with INCOME TAXES.

Stupid, Stupid, Stupid.
Stupid people don't know they are stupid, because they are well, stupid.

So joint filing; not receiving tax benefits from 401 swaps afforded to legally married couples; and an income tax break on your spouse's medical coverage don't have an effect on your income taxes?