UncleBuck
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you think a lot of stupid things.
How crazy is slavery?!
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Indagrow
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77% of all statistics are made up on the spot...
beardo
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Most people like slavery they are just to stubborn to admit it and or to dumb to realize it.
Sure the forms of slavery have evolved but slavery is still as popular as it ever was. Sure the word may be frowned upon but words fall in and out of favor all the time.
Rob Roy
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Waiting to be blown until the end of the day, now THAT is compassion!
Doer
Well-Known Member
Well, yes of course. That is why we outlawed it.
It totally depends upon a lack of eduction and particularly, violent discipline.
We read the story of 3rd Slave rebellion, with Spartacus. What about the other 2?
And in the end, no Rome and no slaves.
PetFlora
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We are all enslaved by our own government. From the moment we are born a bond is placed on our worth, we are forced to get a SSN to work/bank, et a loan, etc,
The IRS collects illegal taxes from us (place liens/garner wages/foreclose, put us in jail for nonpayment) , the national debt is placed on our shoulders (bail outs of corrupt banksters/derivitives), we are used as weapons of war, and as guinea pigs for all manner of toxins in food (GMOs), pesticides (Roundup), water (fluoride) airplane aerosols spraying (chemtrails), pharmaceuticals...
The IRS collects illegal taxes from us (place liens/garner wages/foreclose, put us in jail for nonpayment) , the national debt is placed on our shoulders (bail outs of corrupt banksters/derivitives), we are used as weapons of war, and as guinea pigs for all manner of toxins in food (GMOs), pesticides (Roundup), water (fluoride) airplane aerosols spraying (chemtrails), pharmaceuticals...
Autistic Austin
New Member
Simple, human evolution, technology. Only takes one good leader helps as well.
cannabineer
Ursus marijanus
Dissenting opinion. That does a violence to the term slavery. cn
ASMALLVOICE
Well-Known Member
IMO - From the literal meaning of being bought and sold as property and forced to work, I do not feel the statement is that violently askew, we are all bound to what we do in some degree, and that has...imo.... added a great many facets to the definition of slavery. High tech has it become.
Peace
Asmallvoice
PetFlora
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Sovereign Man
Notes From The Field
June 21, 2013
Bio Bio Region, Chile
Years ago, it was virtually unheard of for someone to give up his/her US citizenship.
Then, one by one, a handful of famous cases surfaced... like Sir John Templeton, who renounced his US citizenship in 1964 and moved to the Bahamas.
At the time, Templeton was able to save $100 million that he would have otherwise had to pay in taxes to the US government.
But anyone view Templeton poorly for his lack of patriotism, it's important to note that the man was one of the greatest philanthropists in history.
And, rather than finance more bombs, guns, and military folly at the height of the Vietnam War, he chose to channel his wealth into improving the lives of millions of people around the globe.
There have been dozens of other notable cases, both before and since... from the writer Henry James (who renounced in 1915 to protest America's refusal to join Great War) to Tina Tuner.
Not to mention thousands of people that no one has ever heard of.
679 individuals renounced their US citizenship in the first quarter of 2013. This was 47.6% more than during the first quarter of 2012... certainly a significant growth rate.
And it's almost as many as renounced for the entire year in 2009.
For certain people, the stranglehold of the US tax system is simply too much to bear.
After all, the United States is almost alone in the world in terms of countries that tax non-resident citizens on their worldwide income.
In other words, if you're a US citizen, yet never set foot on US soil, you're subject to paying a huge portion of your earnings to Uncle Sam forever.
For some people, this becomes a major breaking point. They weigh their obligations to their families against against the morality of financing a corrupt, dysfunctional government... and the decision to renounce becomes clear.
In 2008, the United States government passed a rule governing the procedure of renunciations.
They deemed that a 'covered expatriate', i.e. a person of some wealth, would have to pay an exit tax before renouncing on the mark-to-market gains across his/her entire estate.
This exit tax is basically the same thing as an estate tax... or death tax. So to the US government, renouncing citizenship is a bit like dying. It's a bit strange.
"Covered expatriates" are individuals whose annual income tax liability (i.e. what you owe the IRS) exceeds $155,000 on average over the preceding five years, and/or someone whose net worth exceeds $2 million.
Despite these existing rules, however, some US Senators are now working to reintroduce legislation that would bar covered expatriates from entering the United States.
And, it would retroactively apply to covered expatriates who renounced ten years ago (when the term 'covered expatriate' didn't even exist.
This may end up being problematic for some people who have renounced over the last ten years. But more importantly, consider what it says about the Land of the Free.
Most US citizens are born on US soil or to US parents completely by accident. And what the government is telling us is that our accident of birth obliges us to lifelong service to the state, even though we never signed up for any of it.
If they say we must pay, we must pay. If they reinstitute a draft and say we must go die, we must go die. If they say they need to steal our Social Security, seize our IRAs, or inflate our currency away, then we must yield.
And if at any point we stand up and say, "Wait a sec, I never signed up for any of this, you can have your citizenship back," then they bar us for life as a penalty.
This all seems rather curious for a nation that was founded by foreigner settlers in search of a better life.
Yet we must either gleefully accept being born into state slavery... or they'll treat us as if we are dead. It's hardly seems an appropriate way for an enlightened civilization to treat people.
Until tomorrow,
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Simon Black
Senior Editor, SovereignMan.com
Notes From The Field
June 21, 2013
Bio Bio Region, Chile
Years ago, it was virtually unheard of for someone to give up his/her US citizenship.
Then, one by one, a handful of famous cases surfaced... like Sir John Templeton, who renounced his US citizenship in 1964 and moved to the Bahamas.
At the time, Templeton was able to save $100 million that he would have otherwise had to pay in taxes to the US government.
But anyone view Templeton poorly for his lack of patriotism, it's important to note that the man was one of the greatest philanthropists in history.
And, rather than finance more bombs, guns, and military folly at the height of the Vietnam War, he chose to channel his wealth into improving the lives of millions of people around the globe.
There have been dozens of other notable cases, both before and since... from the writer Henry James (who renounced in 1915 to protest America's refusal to join Great War) to Tina Tuner.
Not to mention thousands of people that no one has ever heard of.
679 individuals renounced their US citizenship in the first quarter of 2013. This was 47.6% more than during the first quarter of 2012... certainly a significant growth rate.
And it's almost as many as renounced for the entire year in 2009.
For certain people, the stranglehold of the US tax system is simply too much to bear.
After all, the United States is almost alone in the world in terms of countries that tax non-resident citizens on their worldwide income.
In other words, if you're a US citizen, yet never set foot on US soil, you're subject to paying a huge portion of your earnings to Uncle Sam forever.
For some people, this becomes a major breaking point. They weigh their obligations to their families against against the morality of financing a corrupt, dysfunctional government... and the decision to renounce becomes clear.
In 2008, the United States government passed a rule governing the procedure of renunciations.
They deemed that a 'covered expatriate', i.e. a person of some wealth, would have to pay an exit tax before renouncing on the mark-to-market gains across his/her entire estate.
This exit tax is basically the same thing as an estate tax... or death tax. So to the US government, renouncing citizenship is a bit like dying. It's a bit strange.
"Covered expatriates" are individuals whose annual income tax liability (i.e. what you owe the IRS) exceeds $155,000 on average over the preceding five years, and/or someone whose net worth exceeds $2 million.
Despite these existing rules, however, some US Senators are now working to reintroduce legislation that would bar covered expatriates from entering the United States.
And, it would retroactively apply to covered expatriates who renounced ten years ago (when the term 'covered expatriate' didn't even exist.
This may end up being problematic for some people who have renounced over the last ten years. But more importantly, consider what it says about the Land of the Free.
Most US citizens are born on US soil or to US parents completely by accident. And what the government is telling us is that our accident of birth obliges us to lifelong service to the state, even though we never signed up for any of it.
If they say we must pay, we must pay. If they reinstitute a draft and say we must go die, we must go die. If they say they need to steal our Social Security, seize our IRAs, or inflate our currency away, then we must yield.
And if at any point we stand up and say, "Wait a sec, I never signed up for any of this, you can have your citizenship back," then they bar us for life as a penalty.
This all seems rather curious for a nation that was founded by foreigner settlers in search of a better life.
Yet we must either gleefully accept being born into state slavery... or they'll treat us as if we are dead. It's hardly seems an appropriate way for an enlightened civilization to treat people.
Until tomorrow,
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Simon Black
Senior Editor, SovereignMan.com
Doer
Well-Known Member
At least you know and can bitch about it. I don't see any of that as bad. I see you put a bad light on it and ignore what your life would be like in a warlord situation, perhaps chosen for starvation.
cannabineer
Ursus marijanus
Central to the idea of slavery is the tangible, express contract of ownership. Without that, it is simple metaphor, with no barrier to its dilution. cn
Rob Roy
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Do you or can you "own" your home? No. You must pay EXTORTION for many things that you may not want or use, or your house will be stolen....at the point of a gun.
Do you own your body? Hint...This is a weed site.
Do you really think there are only two possible things, "free" or "slave". Of course slavery can and does exist in increments.
Doer
Well-Known Member
Nah, you are talking thralldom, not slavery. Slavery essentially, is a market place. It is the buying and selling of human chattel.
I am a very happy, eyes wide open, Thrall of the State of CA. That's it.
My State handles all those issues of Federal Authority. I elected them to do just that.At one point we said pot should be illegal. Since Texas, Florida, and New York agreed, it was banned( for 100 years or more.)
But, if these same States say legal, it will be legal again at the Fed level.
Yet, it was settled by violence in 1864, that if a States want to allow a slave market, in the open, they cannot.
I am a very happy, eyes wide open, Thrall of the State of CA. That's it.
My State handles all those issues of Federal Authority. I elected them to do just that.At one point we said pot should be illegal. Since Texas, Florida, and New York agreed, it was banned( for 100 years or more.)
But, if these same States say legal, it will be legal again at the Fed level.
Yet, it was settled by violence in 1864, that if a States want to allow a slave market, in the open, they cannot.
Rob Roy
Well-Known Member
You call it corn, I call it maize. Bottom line, people are not free to own their body or their homes. When people DO attempt to peacefully own themself or their property in absolute, the "slavery" is revealed. The masters gun comes out.
You can't by majority vote make something good or bad, only legal or illegal, which often has very little to do with good or bad. Also once elected, Representatives do what they want. Nor are people elected by "majority" always elected that way, often many people do not even vote. Even when a majority of people do vote for an oppressor that does not sanctify as "good" the actions of the elected.
Highlowazupkush
Member
We are all modern day slaves of the government to a degree, depending on your stance. (imo)
If you don't agree with the laws and practices of your government, then you may as well write "slave" on your forehead.
Just as Rob Roy pointed out. If you can't even smoke weed because the hand of the law will spank your bottom if you do so, then you are a slave.
I mean? I dare anyone of you to light up a big fat blunt in front of a busy police station. Not likely to happen right? I might have the balls to do it my self, but most other people? doubt it. We have to hide our weed from the law keepers, thus, we're almost as good as slaves.
Though, In some countries they are much more closer to real slaves than in other countries. For example in Australia, they are much closer to being slaves than in the country that I live in.
Dam man, If you let the police from Australia loose on the roads here? they would be pulling over every 9/10 people for traffic violations and giving them fines, lol. But the actual police here are more focused on real issues.
they're more lenient than that of the Australian police but much more efficient.
If you don't agree with the laws and practices of your government, then you may as well write "slave" on your forehead.
Just as Rob Roy pointed out. If you can't even smoke weed because the hand of the law will spank your bottom if you do so, then you are a slave.
I mean? I dare anyone of you to light up a big fat blunt in front of a busy police station. Not likely to happen right? I might have the balls to do it my self, but most other people? doubt it. We have to hide our weed from the law keepers, thus, we're almost as good as slaves.
Though, In some countries they are much more closer to real slaves than in other countries. For example in Australia, they are much closer to being slaves than in the country that I live in.
Dam man, If you let the police from Australia loose on the roads here? they would be pulling over every 9/10 people for traffic violations and giving them fines, lol. But the actual police here are more focused on real issues.
they're more lenient than that of the Australian police but much more efficient.
kpmarine
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No, slavery only exists when you are owned. It is its own unique situation. I am beholden to laws of the land, that doesn't make me a slave. Slaves can't own guns; slaves don't get to travel; slaves don't make an income; and slaves don't choose who is in power. You can call it extortion all you want though, that would be closer.
UncleBuck
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you sound like an angst ridden child.
words have meanings, learn them.
you are not a slave, you are just whiny.