Stealth Grow Company LED results are fake!

[Situation420]

Why are you so obtuse? I doubt it because i am not lying or have lied about anything. You are comparing finished buds to a picture i put up 3 weeks before they get to that point so can you not see where the buds are going to swell and fill in? All of my advice is spot on and you just seem to be upset that I am claiming that LED technology is not to the point of HPS yet because you use LED's. Ever since i started this post you have been providing pictures that are of good grows not great thats it.

For you to not be able to see this you must not know what great weed looks like.

To make claims that your buds are frostier when i took the pictures from 5 feet away is rediculous and the lighting is terrible. All i was showing was bud size and any expierienced grower can see what development is going to take place in the next 3 weeks.

To be so convinced that your grow is fantastic it sounds like your happy with your results and not looking to improve. Sad

 

[Situation420]

Hey back to the topic at hand. Hyroot you definitely got this topic off point. Anyone have any links to LED grows or pictures of massive buds?!?!

 

[hyroot]

im comparing buds that are 2 weeks from being finished, the ones that are finished are even larger, actually learn how to read. I already said that a few posts back. its a fact that hps can't be as frosty. they have no uv not enough deep red and far red.

did you see my thread. my shit is fire and frosty as fuck.I even have another strain that I breed myself. My last pic was 10 days out and buds are larger under par t5 than the 1000w hps ones. click on link in my sig.

no one can tell what development will take place. there are a million factors. strain being the main factor. air quality, nutes, growing method, medium and quality of medium, aeration, co2 and o2 levels, rh, temp.

some strains don't swell at all til the last 2 weeks. some strains are done swelling at 6 weeks. more sativa dom plants will yield twice as much as indica dom plants and bud size will differ, again you don't know shit. your ignorance shines through. you came at all of us all wrong.. you're the one that fucked up here.


i posted links , you just refuse to look at them just because I posted them. its so obvious that you never looked at them. afew of those threads are over 150 pages each. so I know you didn't look at them

 

[Situation420]

DUHH obv u can tell i use all that. And the frostyness comes from air and water temperatures I dont know where you get you info from but Ive had frosty and not frosty buds before and the only difference was water and air temperature.

Also they make hps bulbs with mixed spectrums and mild uv light output. If you don't use air cooled lights your lighting is much better. You have to use the correct HPS bulbs

THC content comes from uv light, "frostyness" comes from air and water temperatures.

That is why dispensaries reject outdoor crops harvested after august 26 typically because the lack of thc content not the frostiness

 

[Chronikool]

You 2 are just the cutest couple i've ever seen on a forum....

 

[hyroot]

are you jealous chron.

 

[hyroot]

DUHH obv u can tell i use all that. And the frostyness comes from air and water temperatures I dont know where you get you info from but Ive had frosty and not frosty buds before and the only difference was water and air temperature.

Also they make hps bulbs with mixed spectrums and mild uv light output. If you don't use air cooled lights your lighting is much better. You have to use the correct HPS bulbs

THC content comes from uv light, "frostyness" comes from air and water temperatures.

carbs, sugars, potassium, chlorophyll absorbing uv-a uv-b light, 630nm red 660nm deep red and 730 nm, 460nm blue is all a factor in terpene and trichome and thc production among everything else. again your ignorance shines through. frostyness is trichomes idiot. terpenes are the oils, flavor and smell. terpene have an effect on trichome and thc production

http://www.hightimes.com/read/talking-terpenes

http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=2&ved=0CDQQFjAB&url=http://pcp.oxfordjournals.org/content/50/4/684.full&ei=O2bJUcWLB6iQigKV5YDADw&usg=AFQjCNHnEsmkUCG1o3_-2rsse8g9qcJZmg&bvm=bv.48340889,d.cGE

http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=2&ved=0CDQQFjAB&url=http://pcp.oxfordjournals.org/content/50/4/684.full&ei=O2bJUcWLB6iQigKV5YDADw&usg=AFQjCNHnEsmkUCG1o3_-2rsse8g9qcJZmg&bvm=bv.48340889,d.cGE

 

[Chronikool]

HA!...Nah i prefer giant forum orgies...

 

[Situation420]

once again you proved yourself wrong. The uv light effect the mitochondria in the cells causing them to produce different CBD compounds that effect the plant in certain ways. carbs sugars potassium have nothing to do with uv light because they are element based. And there are alot more photosynthetic pigments that react to light than just chlorophyll. Trichomes develop to trap heat and maintain a core temperature that is beneficial to embryo development. You might be getting frostier buds because your air temp is lower than what it is if HPS lights are used.

Alright hyroot I see how you added that to you post but thats not what you are saying! LOL you just provided links that support what I am talking about and debunk your claims. Did you not understand what the high times article was saying?

 

[hyroot]

http://jxb.oxfordjournals.org/content/61/11/3107.full
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[hyroot]

once again you proved yourself wrong. The uv light effect the mitochondria in the cells causing them to produce different CBD compounds that effect the plant in certain ways. carbs sugars potassium have nothing to do with uv light because they are element based. And there are alot more photosynthetic pigments that react to light than just chlorophyll. Trichomes develop to trap heat and maintain a core temperature that is beneficial to embryo development. You might be getting frostier buds because your air temp is lower than what it is if HPS lights are used.

you do not know how to read. i never said carbs sugars effect uv light. i said they effect trichome production , thc production and and terpene production among other things. the links i posted are university studies excluding the high times one. i think you don;t know shit. you copied and paste that from thc man. cbd forms out of thc cell within a trichome. mj produces trichomes to protect it self from uv and ir rays. there is no embryo. not even in a seed. mj can effect embryonic stem cells in people, that has nothing to do with any of that

 

[Situation420]

Phew that was some thick reading but hey they make hps bulbs that provide a spectrum similar to that studies findings but also include orange and blue and purple spectrums more closely to the spectral output of the sun. LED's will someday bypass HID but as of now I havn't seen one that provides a uniformly mixed spectrum to the plants the way an HID bulb does if you use the right ones.

 

[Situation420]

Well the frostiness comment is from my own observations and the talk about thc is from some video i was skeptical about in the first place but eveyone on here seems to agree with him but has not seen any testing or studies done. I believe thc content comes from uv levels and frostiness comes from temperatures. To make my buds rediculously frosted i give them 3 days of ice water and 48 hours of darkness right before harvest and they are covered! Try it yourself and youll see what im talking about. I learned that from a guy that told me he never shares that with anyone whose been growing for 35 years.

 

[hyroot]

i always put mine in the dark, the reasoning that makes them frosty is when the plant doesnt get light when its expecting. it knows its at the end of its life so it starts pushing out more thc and trichomes to catch pollen to live on it lineage. but since there is no pollination. the calyx swell up that much more. the oils and trichomes are produced more too.

i don't do the ice thing because it will send the plant into shock and possibly kill it. thats from my experience first hand. you want the soil to be mostly dry but not completely when its time to go into the dark. other wise chlorophyll can get trapped

 

[Situation420]

Hell yea those cmh bulbs look awesome! i love that guys journal im gonna read it in more detail

 

[Situation420]

You can do the ice thing because you are about to harvest and stress the plant out to its max right before it dies. Your killing it anyway the next day and the water is at about 40 degrees not below freezing so its not going to kill it anyway.

Oh yea and the thc has nothing to do with pollen collection thats the pistils bro bro lol. I think you knew that though.

 

[hyroot]

You can do the ice thing because you are about to harvest and stress the plant out to its max right before it dies. Your killing it anyway the next day and the water is at about 40 degrees not below freezing so its not going to kill it anyway.

Oh yea and the thc has nothing to do with pollen collection thats the pistils bro bro lol. I think you knew that though.

there thc cells in the trichome that catch the pollen. the pistils are not doing that at that time. 2 birds with one stone as the calyx and trichomes develop more so does the thc and terpenes and cannibinoids, etc...

 

[Situation420]

Here is how pollination works, the thc trichomes attract pollinators through aroma and taste, they are not a reproductive organ. The pistils are rubbed up on by the pollinators (bees, insects, etc.) as they are attracted to the sweet smelling and tasting trichomes and oils.

Flowering plants are the dominant plant form on land and they reproduce by sexual and asexual means. Often their most distinguishing feature is their reproductive organs, commonly called flowers. Sexual reproduction in flowering plants involves the production of male and female gametes, the transfer of the male gametes to the female ovules in a process called pollination. After pollination occurs, fertilization happens and the ovules grow into seeds within a fruit. After the seeds are ready for dispersal, the fruit ripens and by various means the seeds are freed from the fruit and after varying amounts of time and under specific conditions the seeds germinate and grow into the next generation.
The anther produces male gametophytes, the sperm is produced in pollen grains, which attach to the stigma on top of a carpel, in which the female gametophytes (inside ovules) are located. After the pollen tube grows through the carpel's style, the sex cell nuclei from the pollen grain migrate into the ovule to fertilize the egg cell and endosperm nuclei within the female gametophyte in a process termed double fertilization. The resulting zygote develops into an embryo, while the triploid endosperm (one sperm cell plus two female cells) and female tissues of the ovule give rise to the surrounding tissues in the developing seed. The ovary, which produced the female gametophyte(s), then grows into a fruit, which surrounds the seed(s). Plants may either self-pollinate orcross-pollinate. Nonflowering plants like ferns, moss and liverworts use other means of sexual reproduction.
[h=4]Pollination[edit][/h]

An orchid flower​

In plants that use insects or other animals to move pollen from one flower to the next, plants have developed greatly modified flower parts to attract pollinators and to facilitate the movement of pollen from one flower to the insect and from the insect back to the next flower. Flowers of wind pollinated plants tend to lack petals and or sepals; typically large amounts of pollen are produced and pollination often occurs early in the growing season before leaves can interfere with the dispersal of the pollen. Many trees and all grasses and sedges are wind pollinated, as such they have no need for large fancy flowers.
Plants have a number of different means to attract pollinators including color, scent, heat, nectar glands, eatable pollen and flower shape. Along with modifications involving the above structures two other conditions play a very important role in the sexual reproduction of flowering plants, the first is timing of flowering and the other is the size or number of flowers produced. Often plant species have a few large, very showy flower while others produce many small flowers, often flowers are collected together into large inflorescences to maximize their visual effect, becoming more noticeable to passing pollinators. Flowers are attraction strategies and sexual expressions are functional strategies used to produce the next generation of plants, with pollinators and plants having co-evolved, often to some extraordinary degrees, very often rendering mutual benefit.

Flower heads showing disk and ray florets.​

The largest family of flowering plants is the orchids (Orchidaceae), estimated by some specialists to include up to 35,000 species,[SUP][6][/SUP] which often have highly specialized flowers that attract particular insects for pollination. The stamens are modified to produce pollen in clusters called pollinia, which become attached to insects that crawl into the flower. The flower shapes may force insects to pass by the pollen, which is "glued" to the insect. Some orchids are even more highly specialized, with flower shapes that mimic the shape of insects to attract them to 'mate' with the flowers, a few even have scents that mimic insect pheromones.

 

[tags420]

First off i just checked that video and there is no way they had 1318 grams. Also, they support the research that is being done not the results. I'm not saying that someday LEDs won't be better but as of now they are now. Here is what talking about with only 1600w actual draw I get 1900-2200 grams.

https://www.rollitup.org/grow-journals/676886-day-42-flowering.html#post9253992

I'm way behind on this thread. Just a quick word.

I saw the 1318g's personally and the numbers are legit. The results were sent to a lab and hps=17%thc LED=19%thc. Quality, bud size, smoke/taste, effects, smells all the same either side. It all went as one pack...hps and led together because they were so similar. Which they should being all the same.

You have a nice setup and even some full power 1000w want what you get. It was and still is hard for led's to compete with the hps side but the day is here with new output tech. And like you and I have said the price is steep for good led's. I know what big yields(indoor and out) and am totally honest in what I post. I admit led's are just breaking into the that good hps equivalent more constantly now but will keep getting better faster than you know. I still run 40% hps garden, so I feel where you are coming from.


I'll let you two keep battling it out now.

 

[Situation420]

I'm way behind on this thread. Just a quick word.

I saw the 1318g's personally and the numbers are legit. The results were sent to a lab and hps=17%thc LED=19%thc. Quality, bud size, smoke/taste, effects, smells all the same either side. It all went as one pack...hps and led together because they were so similar. Which they should being all the same.

The thing about hps is it has very low uv light while led has built in diodes. A good grower using hps uses no glass to cool the lights because it absorbs all uv light. They also switch out the hps bulbs during the last 2 weeks of flowering to Metal Halide bulbs that emit uv. That 17% woulda been 20% or more if the test was done by a more experienced grower.