Induction Lights? The newest (supposedly) technology in Induction Grow Lights

[chazbolin]

I heard the same thing through my grow shop that Phillips is discontinuing CMH production but I don't take that as gospel. If I had converted to CMH I'd be pissed though.

Damn those are some old school strains bro! Neville to the rescue! The hash plant was one of my all time favorites.

 

[brotherjericho]

Venture makes some CMH but don't know if they are any good, plus they are not universal for positioning.

 

[hyroot]

Yep , Riant will repair an send it back free, I just have to get it there.

I have 2 surge protectors, an it still died.
i need an somthing to protect aginst low voltage?


im using my old Hps/CMH set up, the heat differance is wild.

i hear Phillips is discontinuing. Chm bulbs?

Get a ups. Uninterrupted power supply. If the power goes out. It keeps what ever is plugged into it running for 30 -90 min depending on power draw. It gives you enough time to shut everything off without any surge issues.



Philips discontinued the retro white cmh. They have plenty in stock still. They are still making the allstart line. Which is far better anyway.

Plus the fairly new company Dna lighting. Their bulbs are Philips all starts rebranded. So Id imagine that would be around for a while. The cmh craze has made a come back too.

 

[chazbolin]

I have 2 surge protectors, an it still died. i need an somthing to protect aginst low voltage?

Hyroot is right in that a UPS is a good way to clean up the sine wave on any electronics to be sure. It's also gonna get you through the brown outs and short term outages, If you can afford them then by all means get them on circuits where you have critical equipment.

But before you lay down that kind of coin I would have thought that with two surge suppressors in line you would have been covered from spikes. Did you have any other electronics burn up during that time? Were those protected by surge suppressors as well? Then I can it would be related to a really horrible spike. But if no other electronics burned up I'd look at the thermal management of the enclosure construction. Alot of the times they won't use thermal pads or they may have painted the inside of the enclosure at the factory which greatly reduces thermal transfer from the board and you'll get component failures. If you're running a few of these you might want to open up the driver housings and check for non-painted surfaces on the inside of the enclosure.

 

[SCARHOLE]

Now that you mention it....
It was the only thing damaged?

My ballast still has paint on the inside an behind the MOSFETs
But I have the case open 1/2 in and a fan on it cause you warned me about that.
I'll ask tony Wu to not paint the inside of this ballast.

The surge potectors are very old metal ones from the 80s
They don't have a reset button like modern ones.
Not realy sure how they work?
Maybe ill get a new one. Lol
Would UPS for PCs work for this lamp

S1 an f1 will be made from the old nev stuff.

 

[chazbolin]

Paint is the enemy my friend. Why pray tell are they painting the inside of the enclosures? You should not have to resort to opening their enclosure and having a fan blow air over the board. It's either slipping past quality control or they don't realize the importance of thermal relief and just load the boards to painted surfaces. Either way could be trouble when you least want it. But on the bright side you don't have to worry about buying a UPS. And I am interested....check your pm

 

[SCARHOLE]

PICS OF tRE fARMERS sIRUS lEmoN hAzE
grown under my incuction fluro

Lemony candy DANK

 

[Brolybuds7]

I've read the last 25 pages, great stuff guys. I currently have a 400 watt cmh from Phillips that i love. Might make the Inda-go jump. Or maybe give DNA a go? Any comparisons of a 400 cmh vs Inda-grow out there?

 

[SCARHOLE]

i ran a 150w hps an a 145 w cmh.
And the 400w RIANT light kicks its ass.....

 

[Kite High]

i ran a 150w hps an a 145 w cmh.
And the 400w RIANT light kicks its ass.....

And a 400 cmh will kick its ass

 

[SCARHOLE]

I ran 150w hps, 145w cmh and 2 40w cfl in my cab.
It was about 400w
(not 400w vs 145w)

And my 400w flouro owned the old set up.

id love to run her against 330w CMH.
Id bet on the induction flouro..

 

[SCARHOLE]

Still waitimg on raint to get my light back.

Nev haze 21 / mullimbimby madness x amnesia haze auto

 

[SCARHOLE]

I seen an amazing bulb in Max yeild mag this month.
Solis tec 4000K MH
WOW


http://solis-tek.com/digital-lamps/index.html


Another bad ass lookiing light was from FloridaHydroponic.com
But the site isnt working???

 

[chazbolin]

Hey Scar! Going to the other side are ya? Not that I'm coming off IG's but after having been to their site I guess my question would be if this 4K SDG is accurate why than make a 6 and 10K MH at all?

http://www.solis-tek.com/digital-lamps/mh4k.html

 

[PSUAGRO.]

Hey Scar! Going to the other side are ya? Not that I'm coming off IG's but after having been to their site I guess my question would be if this 4K SDG is accurate why than make a 6 and 10K MH at all?

http://www.solis-tek.com/digital-lamps/mh4k.html

good question chaz, ugh these companies with their technical BS.......lol suns high frequency light output replicated by a digi ballast?

Personally I would never use an unprotected mh bulb indoors.......

 

[SCARHOLE]

I'd guess the 6000k is for veg.
and the 10000k is for aquariums?

never heard of a MH that was so red.
their spectra seems to good to be true?

 

[hyroot]

I concur with psu. All the solis tek bulbs put out uv too. But the glass on a hood or cool tube block out uv so. I know hello lights carries the 10k for aquariums.. Ironically the 10k has more red than the 6k.



Im diggin cmh allstart myself. Going to b adding 2 more finally. Going to be doing bare bulb vert when I add them. Instead of adding side lighting.

 

[SCARHOLE]

After some looking around, I believe all digi ballasts are high frequency.

The sun dosent require a high freq ballast for hydrogen helium fission, it was ignited by gravity.
Not sure what that was about?
Lol

Since they offer no info on additional elements or gasses added for a better specta I'd say its BS.

 

[Kite High]

I ordered 6 retro white 400's to hold me over until I upgrade to the 315's and rec'd them in 2 days from ATL
They also sent me this awesome info on a MOGUL BASE 315 and the Philips Ballast for the 315-210


NEW UNRELEASED Ceramic Metal Halide Lamp for 210 and 315 this is not the T9 PGZX-1 current availbe lamps (those thin tubed ones) these are better
to our customers please pass around
http://advancedtechlighting.com/cdmmw.htm
Past USA customers email right after order for a $20 usd rebate per combo pack, (as an extra thanks and sorry for some of our past delays)
just email right after order and our pricing reflects how much we care about the end customers out of pocket costs.
Buying with our combo pack saves you this.
also shipping is including in the combo packs
each combo pack comes with a
Philips MasterColor CDM Elite MW Lamp 210 or 315 watt 4k Mogul socket Lamp
and Philips Advance Ballast (that drives either the 210 or 315 by a simple switch
remember the combo sale price is with shipping also (USA customers) check out the savings even from our standard non combo sale price. especially vs our competitors exaggerating or just ripping you off
Combo Packs 1 2 3 4 5 6
combo sale $260.00 $510.00 $760.00 $1,000.00 $1,220.00 $1,445.00
Saved W/combo without shipping
$5.00 $20.00 $35.00 $60.00 $105.00 $145.00
Saved With Combo & Ship $15.00 $35.00 $55.00 $85.00 $135.00 $180.00




Also the 860 for $99
the
860 watt
http://advancedtechlighting.com/cdmea860.htm


That is less than 1/2 the cost for the inferior DNA Chinese Manufactured Ballast which is GEL. These are the PHILIPS Ballast specifically for these lamps, and will carry and be honored with the Philips warranty which will be void if run on the DNA. GEL, DNA, and some Electrical Supply house all share the same address in Idaho.


Hope it helps. Sure is a good deal for the lamp and Philips ballast and you can continue to use your same hoods and sockets.


As I have years of stock left in retro whites and my mag coil ballasts are only one year old it will be a while before I upgrade so just wanted to pass on what I see comparatively as a great deal on the new lamps and ballast.

And the spds are great on these as well....great umoles for only 315 watts

210 Watt 4,200 Kelvin CDM210/U/O/4K ED28 General Characteristics		315 Watt 4,200 Kelvin ED37 CDM315/U/O/4K ED37 General Characteristics
[FONT=gs_light_regular]General Characteristics Base Exclusionary Mogul Screw [Exclusionary Mogul Screw] Bulb ED28 Bulb Finish Clear Operating Position Universal [Any or Universal (U)] Avg. Hrs. Life 20000 hr [FONT=gs_light_regular]Light Technical Characteristics[/FONT] Color Code 942 [CCT of 4200K] Color Rendering Index 92 Ra8 Color Designation Cool White Color Temperature 3850 K Color Temperature technical 3850 K Initial Lumens 22800 Lm Luminous Efficacy Lamp EL 108 Lm/W Lumen Maintenance 2000h 94 % Lumen Maintenance 5000h 88 % Lumen Maintenance - 10% life 94 % Photosynthetic Photon Flux PPF 1.76 umol/s Design Mean Lumens 20500 Lm Chromaticity Coordinate X 0.386 - Chromaticity Coordinate Y 0.378 - [FONT=gs_light_regular]Electrical Characteristics[/FONT] System Power EL 230 W Energy Used 210 W Lamp Wattage EL 210 W Lamp Voltage 105 V Lamp Current EL 2.1 A Lamp Current Run-Up 2.8 A Ignition Time 3 (max) s Run-up time 90% 3 (max) min Re-ignition Time [min] 15 (max) min [FONT=gs_light_regular]Environmental Characteristics[/FONT] Mercury (Hg) Content 25 (nom), 26 (max) mg Picogram per Lumen Hour 60.7 p/LuHr [/FONT] [FONT=gs_light_regular]UV-related Characteristics Damage Factor D/fc 0.45 - PET (NIOSH) 16.7 h500lx UV A 16.5 mW/cm2 UV B 0.19 mW/cm2 UV C 0.01 mW/cm2 [FONT=gs_light_regular]Luminaire Design Requirements[/FONT] Cap-Base Temperature 210 C Bulb Temperature 400 (max) C [FONT=gs_light_regular]Product Dimensions[/FONT] Overall Length C 211 (max) mm Diameter D 90 mm Light Center Length L 125 (min), 127 (nom), 129 (max) mm Arc Length O 12.3 mm Maximum Overall Length [inch] 8.3 (max) in Light Center Length L 5.0 in Diameter D 3.54 in [FONT=gs_light_regular]Product Data[/FONT] Order code 928601175301 Full product code 928601175301 Full product name MasterColor CDM Elite 210W ED28 CL U Order product name CDM210/U/O/4K ED28 12PK Pieces per pack 1 Packs per outerbox 12 Bar code on pack - EAN1 46677427054 Bar code on outerbox - EAN3 50046677427059 Logistic code(s) - 12NC 928601175301 Net weight per piece 0.001 kg [/FONT]	.............	[FONT=gs_light_regular]General Characteristics Base Exclusionary Mogul Screw [Exclusionary Mogul Screw] Bulb ED37 Bulb Finish Clear Operating Position Universal [Any or Universal (U)] Avg. Hrs. Life 20000 hr [FONT=gs_light_regular]Light Technical Characteristics[/FONT] Color Code 942 [CCT of 4200K] Color Rendering Index 85 (min), 93 (nom) Ra8 Color Designation Cool White Color Temperature 4140 K Color Temperature technical 4140 K Initial Lumens 34300 Lm Luminous Efficacy Lamp EL 109 Lm/W Lumen Maintenance 2000h 93 % Lumen Maintenance 5000h 87 % Photosynthetic Photon Flux PPF 1.82 umol/s Design Mean Lumens 30780 Lm Chromaticity Coordinate X 0.378 - Chromaticity Coordinate Y 0.385 - [FONT=gs_light_regular]Electrical Characteristics[/FONT] System Power EL 340 W Energy Used 315 W Lamp Wattage EL 315 W Lamp Voltage 100 V Lamp Current EL 3.15 A Lamp Current Run-Up 4.15 A Ignition Time 3 (max) s Run-up time 90% 3 (max) min Re-ignition Time [min] 15 (max) min [FONT=gs_light_regular]Environmental Characteristics[/FONT] Mercury (Hg) Content 23.4 (nom), 24 (max) mg Picogram per Lumen Hour 39 p/LuHr [/FONT] [FONT=gs_light_regular]UV-related Characteristics Damage Factor D/fc 0.37 - PET (NIOSH) 146 h500lx UV A 13.88 mW/cm2 UV B 0.1 mW/cm2 UV C 0.01 mW/cm2 [FONT=gs_light_regular]Luminaire Design Requirements[/FONT] Cap-Base Temperature 210 C Bulb Temperature 400 (max) C [FONT=gs_light_regular]Product Dimensions[/FONT] Overall Length C 288 (max) mm Diameter D 118 mm Light Center Length L 174 (min), 178 (nom), 182 (max) mm Arc Length O 14.0 mm Maximum Overall Length [inch] 11.3 (max) in Light Center Length L 7.0 in Diameter D 4.625 in [FONT=gs_light_regular]Product Data[/FONT] Order code 928601175501 Full product code 928601175501 Full product name MasterColor CDM Elite 315W ED37 CL U Order product name CDM315/U/O/4K ED37 6PK Pieces per pack 1 Packing configuration 6 Packs per outerbox 6 Bar code on pack - EAN1 46677427047 Bar code on outerbox - EAN3 50046677427042 Logistic code(s) - 12NC 928601175501 Net weight per piece 0.001 kg [/FONT]

 

[PSUAGRO.]

Wait a minute, what the hell do the 930-942 #'s mean??????? ^^^their both 4200k, never got this option when I purchased mine and you definitely want the ?942? version looking at the charts............



Problem is Kite......... I was told by a couple of growers now that that vendor is shit^^ and the 210w bulb seems to have the best spectral distribution for cannabis! huh, small stealth growers rejoice!!


Another Induction company surfaces http://www.shop.parluxcorporation.com/main.sc 800w for $900 not bad, but look rebranded