Vertical Scrog - How does it work?

[gualapa]

I'm setting up my vetical donut grow room and I'm considering using a screen to keep the plants trained towards the light, instead of relying on LST'ing the branches that are on the dark side of the grow. Would setting up a screen in a circle around where the plants will grow be an effective means of doing this?

 

[InsaneMJ]

Unless you have to get behind the plants, should work out fine.

 

[Prawn Connery]

^ What he said. Best to have the screen in a circle around your floor fan - in-between the fan and the plants - so that you can access the plants from behind to weave them into the screen (vertical scrog). If you have the screen between you and the plants, it's hard to get to individual branches.

 

[gualapa]

hmm, well what would be best for plants, not just for access? Having the screen behind the plants, or in front of the plants (in between the lights & plants)?

I was thinking behind the plants just b/c more light would get to the plants, but if putting the screen in front of the plants (in b/w the lights & plants) would be better for training them I'd go that route.

 

[tekdc911]

this would be amazing as a vertical scrog
and you could roll it around
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ive been tossing around using one of these

 

[Prawn Connery]

hmm, well what would be best for plants, not just for access? Having the screen behind the plants, or in front of the plants (in between the lights & plants)?

I was thinking behind the plants just b/c more light would get to the plants, but if putting the screen in front of the plants (in b/w the lights & plants) would be better for training them I'd go that route.

If you use common fencing wire, you won't have any problems. It's cheap, light and can be molded into any shape you want. And it doesn't restrict light.

 

[gualapa]

ok but are there any advantages to having that wire in between the lights & the plants versus being behind the plants? or is it just personal preference?

 

[Prawn Connery]

Why don't you put your screen behind your plants and let us all know how you go?

 

[gualapa]

I will be. I'm just curious, because I think differently -> when I see the screen in between the two in a vertical scrog, I wonder why block some of your light, unless it's for some benefit (besides ez access) or personal preference/no benefits in mind.

Anyways, thanks for the input guys. Can't wait to get this grow growing.

 

[Red1966]

If you put the fencing outside the plants, you'll have to tie them to the fencing or they'll lean into the bulb and burn. If you need to get to the light to change a bulb or something, you'll have to undo all those ties, pull the fence off (good luck doing that without damage to the plants, and you'll need help). The fencing can't be blocking more than 1 or 2% of the light, anyway. ez access can be the difference between a easy grow and a pain in the ass.

 

[LakesideWiseman]

Do a modular screen setup behind the plants. 1 screen per plant attached to the bucket. I'm in the process of building mine right now, and the screen will be positioned behind. I don't like the idea of blocking light either, and being able to move the plants around sounds much better than any other idea I've come up with. Should be done in a day or two, will post pics when it's finished.

 

[Red1966]

Do a modular screen setup behind the plants. 1 screen per plant attached to the bucket. I'm in the process of building mine right now, and the screen will be positioned behind. I don't like the idea of blocking light either, and being able to move the plants around sounds much better than any other idea I've come up with. Should be done in a day or two, will post pics when it's finished.

I'd like to see those pics. Are your plants big enough to start leaning in yet? I though maybe two stakes, one one either side, stuck down in the bucket.

 

[tank20101955]

I'm setting up my vetical donut grow room and I'm considering using a screen to keep the plants trained towards the light, instead of relying on LST'ing the branches that are on the dark side of the grow. Would setting up a screen in a circle around where the plants will grow be an effective means of doing this?

if you want to see some pictures of this in action go here www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=164050

 

[tank20101955]

there are good picture at this site just dont follow his example and cut away all of the factory leaves, you know the very large leaves coming off of the main stalk, these are what convert the plant food into sugars that the plant can use! so don't cut them all off

 

[LakesideWiseman]

I'd like to see those pics. Are your plants big enough to start leaning in yet? I though maybe two stakes, one one either side, stuck down in the bucket.

My modular screen design ended up being a fail. I made this one jerry rigged rickety thing out of wood for the plant on the outside, and simply threw chicken wire around the walls for the rest. Still gives me easy access to the back when needed.

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[MrMeanGreen]

I am at a loss here, why are majorly over complicating a relatively easy system. You are destroying the major factor that vert growing gives you.... increased light foot print. If you put your nets outside your plants, they will grow into the light. As they grow into the light, your footprint is shrinking every day. Net between plant and light keeps your footprint at its designed size. You will suffer when it come to maintainance also.

 

[Prawn Connery]

Why don't you put your screen behind your plants and let us all know how you go?

My modular screen design ended up being a fail. I made this one jerry rigged rickety thing out of wood for the plant on the outside, and simply threw chicken wire around the walls for the rest. Still gives me easy access to the back when needed.

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^ I guess that answered my question. It's not like some of us are trying to be smart-arses when we tell people it's best to put their cages between the light source and the plants - it's the fact that we've been there, done that, and have figured out what works best through experience.

Experience counts for everything. It's just that sometimes people have to learn from their own experiences before they start belieiving other people's experiences, LOL!

 

[elevated.scholar]

should work perfect!

 

[Oldstoner69]

Yea not much here on this site for vertical growing! It is just like any other SCROG, plants need to be brace on the wire an the bud sites get the light. Of course the screen has to be between plant an light!

My modular screen design ended up being a fail. I made this one jerry rigged rickety thing out of wood for the plant on the outside, and simply threw chicken wire around the walls for the rest. Still gives me easy access to the back when needed.

Not to mention space to get to your plants would be very limited to next to impossible! Plus look to raise floor by 8-12 inches to help with ventilation of space (putting air holes in floor), along with a 8 inch or bigger vortex fan on top pulling heat out. It seems to me the cost of vertical is more to do with fans an ventilation then just pure AC power.

 

[bamboofarmer]

I'm a month into a grow inside a barrel. Vertical scrog attempt. Check it out.