Al-Qaeda, Our Allies

[heckler73]

i'll trust the evidence we have ...

I'd like to see that myself...
If you've got some, could you pass it on to these guys, please?

[video=youtube;kc0a6IrMQWM]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kc0a6IrMQWM[/video]

 

[Harrekin]

The civilians who died by gas aren't the first civilians to die in this conflict, I would guess that many of the rape and torture victims of this conflict wish they got the gas instead of the horrific deaths they received, these heinous crimes are being committed by both the rebels and Govt. forces yet these crimes alone do not warrant intervention according to the international community!
It's such a big deal when chemical weapons are used, sure their use breaks many laws including moral ones but there's also a UN treaty on human rights yet no one gets their knickers in a knot over the treatment of women by basically the whole Arab world , these staggering human rights abuses barely make headlines but cause a hell of lot more suffering than any bomb, chemical or otherwise and affects millions of women and girls daily for the duration of their lives, where's the international uproar and condemnation, there's a UN treaty on war crimes but when Israel commits atrocities on a regular basis but it's put down to self defense etc etc.

Don't point out the facts about Israel, that makes you anti-Semetic around here...

Buck just has a boner for whatever Israel wants, and Israel see Syria as a step towards Iran.

 

[echelon1k1]

america has never gassed its own people, sillybird.

Another fail... More lies aye bucky;

PUBLIC LAW 95-79 [P.L. 95-79]
TITLE 50, CHAPTER 32, SECTION 1520
"CHEMICAL AND BIOLOGICAL WARFARE PROGRAM"

"The use of human subjects will be allowed for the testing of chemical and biological agents by the U.S. Department of Defense, accounting to Congressional committees with respect to the experiments and studies."

"The Secretary of Defense [may] conduct tests and experiments involving the use of chemical and biological [warfare] agents on civilian populations [within the United States]."

-SOURCE-
Public Law 95-79, Title VIII, Sec. 808, July 30, 1977, 91 Stat. 334. In U.S. Statutes-at-Large, Vol. 91, page 334, you will find Public Law 95-79. Public Law 97-375, title II, Sec. 203(a)(1), Dec. 21, 1982, 96 Stat. 1882. In U.S. Statutes-at-Large, Vol. 96, page 1882, you will find Public Law 97-375.

I believe it has since been repealed, but why you'd need it in the first place is questionable...

 

[echelon1k1]

you're confusing me with someone who may think that about the rebels.

So you're saying you support terrorists? You should be ashamed of yourself...

Terrorist Designations of the al-Nusrah Front as an Alias for al-Qa'ida in Iraq

Press Statement
Victoria Nuland
Department Spokesperson, Office of the Spokesperson
Washington, DC

December 11, 2012

The Department of State has amended the Foreign Terrorist Organization (FTO) and Executive Order (E.O.) 13224 designations of al-Qa’ida in Iraq (AQI) to include the following new aliases: al-Nusrah Front, Jabhat al-Nusrah, Jabhet al-Nusra, The Victory Front, and Al-Nusrah Front for the People of the Levant. The Department of State previously designated AQI as an FTO under the Immigration and Nationality Act and as a Specially Designated Global Terrorist under E.O. 13224 on October 15, 2004. The consequences of adding al-Nusrah Front as a new alias for AQI include a prohibition against knowingly providing, or attempting or conspiring to provide, material support or resources to, or engaging in transactions with, al-Nusrah Front, and the freezing of all property and interests in property of the organization that are in the United States, or come within the United States or the control of U.S. persons.

Since November 2011, al-Nusrah Front has claimed nearly 600 attacks – ranging from more than 40 suicide attacks to small arms and improvised explosive device operations – in major city centers including Damascus, Aleppo, Hamah, Dara, Homs, Idlib, and Dayr al-Zawr. During these attacks numerous innocent Syrians have been killed. Through these attacks, al-Nusrah has sought to portray itself as part of the legitimate Syrian opposition while it is, in fact, an attempt by AQI to hijack the struggles of the Syrian people for its own malign purposes. AQI emir Abu Du’a is in control of both AQI and al-Nusrah. Abu Du’a was designated by the State Department under E.O. 13224 on October 3, 2011, and by the United Nations under UN Security Council Resolution 1267 on October 5, 2011. Abu Du’a also issues strategic guidance to al-Nusrah’s emir, Abu Muhammad al-Jawlani, and tasked him to begin operations in Syria.

The United States takes this action in the context of our overall support for the Syrian people. We have provided approximately $50 million in non-lethal assistance to the unarmed civilian opposition and nearly $200 million in humanitarian assistance to those affected by the violence in Syria. The violent, sectarian vision of al-Nusrah is at odds with the aspirations of the Syrian people, including the overwhelming majority of the Syrian opposition, who seek a free, democratic, and inclusive Syria and have made clear their desire for a government that respects and advances national unity, dignity, human rights, and equal protection under the law – regardless of faith, ethnicity, or gender. Extremism and terrorist ideology have no place in a post-Asad Syria, and all responsible Syrians should speak out against al-Qa’ida and other extremist elements. By opting for the use of force against its own people, the Asad regime has created the circumstances that attract the violent extremists of al Qa’ida, who seek to exploit civil strife for their own purposes. The sooner the political transition to a post-Asad Syria begins, the better it will be for the Syrian people and the region.

 

[UncleBuck]

keep failing, echelon.

 

[echelon1k1]

keep failing, echelon.

I don't support the "rebels" as you refer to them as, I like to call them what they are, sunni terrorists...

this is gonna be another in and out military action like Libya.

no one important is saying that the goal is to "fully defeat" assad's regime

Libya was about regime change, Syria is no different... Contradict yourself much?

 

[Harrekin]

I don't support the "rebels" as you refer to them as, I like to call them what they are, sunni terrorists...





Libya was about regime change, Syria is no different... Contradict yourself much?

The Sunni terrorists that also released a video with their homemade lab, containing all the chemical precursors from a Turkish chemical supply company?

Who also used the finished product to kill rabbits to prove the effectiveness of the compounds?

There's no way those same Sunni terrorists would use those compounds on civilians to pull the Western powers into the war on their side...nope, no way Jose.

 

[UncleBuck]

I don't support the "rebels" as you refer to them as, I like to call them what they are, sunni terrorists...

please point out where i said i support the rebels.

you keep trying to make retarded arguments out of nothing because you are literally retarded.

Libya was about regime change, Syria is no different... Contradict yourself much?

libya was about regime change.

jay carney just said the point of this is not to oust assad though.

go cry in your cornflakes, you walking pile of PTSD failure.

 

[UncleBuck]

The Sunni terrorists that also released a video with their homemade lab, containing all the chemical precursors from a Turkish chemical supply company?

Who also used the finished product to kill rabbits to prove the effectiveness of the compounds?

There's no way those same Sunni terrorists would use those compounds on civilians to pull the Western powers into the war on their side...nope, no way Jose.

you've got a theory.

all you need now is evidence.

 

[Harrekin]

you've got a theory.

all you need now is evidence.

I saw the video myself, doesn't that mean Iv actually got more evidence than Obama?

Also logically speaking, even Mr Spock would even say it would've been retarded for Assad to have used chemical weapons.

Iv no love for either side in the war, fuck them, honestly I don't care.

But there is a litany of reasons Assad WOULDN'T have used chemical weapons, one of them are the Russian made conventional weapons that have been doing a bang up job for him so far...

 

[echelon1k1]

please point out where i said i support the rebels.

Obama is supporting terrorists and you "love everything he does"... Or is guilt by association only applicable to ron paul?

you keep trying to make retarded arguments out of nothing because you are literally retarded.

My arguments have been based in fact and I've backed up my claims - all you do is mouth fart white house talking points...

libya was about regime change.

That's right, why did you describe the situation in Syria as "another in and out military action like Libya" if regime change isn't the goal (which it clearly is)

jay carney just said the point of this is not to oust assad though.

go cry in your cornflakes, you walking pile of PTSD failure.

Jay carney can say whatever he wants it's his job to clean obamas wilderness of mirrors...

 

[UncleBuck]

I saw the video myself, doesn't that mean Iv actually got more evidence than Obama?

yes, i'm certain the video you saw on the internet gives you more intelligence to go on than the guy at the helm of the greatest intelligence network the world has ever known, the one that everyone has just recently discovered they were using to gain intelligence.



you've got it all figured out.

 

[UncleBuck]

Obama is supporting terrorists and you "love everything he does"... Or is guilt by association only applicable to ron paul?

too dumb to recognize a troll thread, eh?

That's right, why did you describe the situation in Syria as "another in and out military action like Libya" if regime change isn't the goal (which it clearly is)

in and out in a month was all it took to get regime change in libya, which was our goal. we'll probably be in and out of syria in the same amount of time, with the same number of boots on the ground: zero.

i'd consult my tortoise before i consulted the guy who thinks the muslim brotherhood is slaughtering itself via the military they infiltrated over the course of decades.

let's not even mention how australia got bin laden. hell, echelon probably capped osama himself.

this is the internet after all.

 

[echelon1k1]

too dumb to recognize a troll thread, eh?

His milkshake brought you to his yard long before you started that thread...

in and out in a month was all it took to get regime change in libya, which was our goal. we'll probably be in and out of syria in the same amount of time, with the same number of boots on the ground: zero.

You still cannot get simple facts straight... C.I.A. Agents in Libya Aid Airstrikes and Meet Rebels

http://www.amazon.com/Benghazi-The-Definitive-Report-ebook/dp/B00AHCRRJS

i'd consult my tortoise before i consulted the guy who thinks the muslim brotherhood is slaughtering itself via the military they infiltrated over the course of decades.

I bet your wife consults your tortoise before you... Licking her lips with culinary anticipation

let's not even mention how australia got bin laden. hell, echelon probably capped Obama* himself.

this is the internet after all.

*Obama hey? How about KFC?

 

[echelon1k1]

yes, i'm certain the video you saw on the internet gives you more intelligence to go on than the guy at the helm of the greatest intelligence network the world has ever known, the one that everyone has just recently discovered they were using to gain intelligence.

He only knows what he has been told and his track record on showing up for his own national security briefings is poor at best...

Obama alone: This president does not need intel briefers

Apparently, in this administration’s view, Kennedy had it wrong — the most extraordinary collection of talent and knowledge ever gathered in the White House is when Barack Obama reads his daily intelligence brief alone

 

[kpmarine]

How is it that we can support a nation, provide weapons and money during the conflict, security, safety (through UN & NATO resolutions), then, a decade later, enact legislation and declarations of war against that very same country that used to be out ally?

Why don't American citizens know about proxy wars?

Afghanistan, 1980's, against the USSR, we weaponized them, we gave them money, to fight the Soviets.. the Soviets failed, the Afghans won, and held a considerable amount of goodies left over from the war.. Later, the Mujahideen took over, AQ and the Taliban came into a failed state, our weapons eventually were left in the hands of terrorists.. Today, we face the exact same shit in Syria.. "Should we arm the rebels?!" Fucking idiotic! Of course we shouldn't! What would be the difference? How can we be sure if we do, the Syrian state that comes to power won't become aggressive in the region later?

Exactly, we can't..

To be clear: A group of targeted airstrikes=/=arming rebels. I was under the impression that the goal was to bomb certain places to discourage further use of chemical weapons on people in Syria. Fell free to correct me if I'm wrong.

 

[heckler73]

To be clear: A group of targeted airstrikes=/=arming rebels. I was under the impression that the goal was to bomb certain places to discourage further use of chemical weapons on people in Syria. Fell free to correct me if I'm wrong.

That's probably the initial entrance plan, yes.
But could you elaborate on the certain places aspect? If Syrian infrastructure is knocked out (I'm sure they have a baby milk factory somewhere), will that dissuade these 3rd party "rebels" from using their bathtub chemistry sets?

 

[kpmarine]

That's probably the initial entrance plan, yes.
But could you elaborate on the certain places aspect? If Syrian infrastructure is knocked out (I'm sure they have a baby milk factory somewhere), will that dissuade these 3rd party "rebels" from using their bathtub chemistry sets?

I was under the impression that targets would be military complexes that house chemical weapons; not factories that produce children's formula. As far as "Bathtub chemistry sets" go; can you demonstrate some documented instances of people making air-droppable or artillery deployable nerve gas agents in their home? This is not as simple as taping a bunch of shrapnel to a homemade bomb.

Isn't this a bit OT though? I thought the issue was Syrian forces using chemical weapons against people; not the rebels cooking up Sarin gas in bathtubs..

 

[ricky1lung]

The US fooked itself on this one.

By even suggesting arming the rebels they are now seen as supporting terrorists... Too funny
The big WMD fiasco in Iraq blew any credibility they had on the world stage so the declaration
of who did what is open to great scrutiny.

A limited strike would give the terrorist groups the upper hand so it would be seen as supporting them, as would
toppling the regime.

In order to get "the job done" they need to go in with allies and take out both sides.

Of course it's not some thing I want to see happen, but it is kind of funny thinking back a decade
and looking at today's blatant hypocrisy..... Sure, spy on me to protect me from those terrorists that you arm so you have a need
to protect me from them.......

 

[UncleBuck]

*Obama hey? How about KFC?

you've got nothing but fail today, as usual.

keep telling us about your conspiracy theories, we all want to hear about them.