Uncle Ben
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Give it a good flush and then resume a balanced food application. Flush with rainwater.
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shadyslater
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Cheers UB i'll flush her in the mornin. I removed aload of it (20ish teaspoons) as i checked my run off and my ppm meter went nuts (over 4000ppm) so i got worried lol. Cheers for the reply matey
simisimis
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Are you serious???? you are removing salts with teaspoons?? you got that much of them? I did not think that's even possible lol..
shadyslater
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Lol thats why i was screamin HELP ME!
Uncle Ben
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Not sure what the question is Billy. Like I've said in my posts, I've used high N foods all the way thru flowering to retain leaves in a green and healthy condition until harvest. Check out Homebrewers edited journal. He did a study between Dyna Gro's Grow and the Foliage Pro and the high N food, 9-3-6, out performed the high P food in yield. The of the biggest mistakes growers make around here is to switch to high P or K foods. They lose their leaves reducing yields and wonder why.
potroastV2
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Hey UB, do you remember in the early days of adpc (96-97), most indoor hydro growers used GH Flora series nutes, and the ageed-upon rate to use was 5 ml of each (5-5-5), instead of the bottle instructions? Then some of us started using half of that, at 2.5 ml of each. I don't even remember what the bottle instructions are, but we had great grows using that small amount, and in equal parts instead of upping the Bloom during flowering.
Then after that, pH (the guy) came up with the theory that Nitrate Nitrogen was more abundant in the Micro component than Ammonium Nitrogen, and the opposite was true of the Grow component, so we did a large group experiment growing crops using only the Micro and Bloom components to see if it works better, and then young Lucas posted it on the web and it became known as the Lucas formula.
It was all about N and P back then too.
Then after that, pH (the guy) came up with the theory that Nitrate Nitrogen was more abundant in the Micro component than Ammonium Nitrogen, and the opposite was true of the Grow component, so we did a large group experiment growing crops using only the Micro and Bloom components to see if it works better, and then young Lucas posted it on the web and it became known as the Lucas formula.
It was all about N and P back then too.
Uncle Ben
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Kinda remember that but since I was not into hydro, I really never paid it much attention. If you looked at Lucas and "his" formula (aka 'Newbie' during the days of cannabis.com) he had the K way up over the N, which a lot of hydro manufacturers do. I still don't get that, and no one to this day has explained to me why that is - that K is always quite a bit higher than N for a typical Grow food.
Whatever happened to pH? Man, did he and I ever get into the soil versus hydro fights! Remember those? Hell, we just fought on everything. Nothing but power plays. I remember his farce Yield-O-Rama. Man, was that a scientific study.
You have a good memory....has it really been that long, 17 frickin' years? Ahhhhhhhh, the good ol days. When the hell are we gonna give up this crap hehe?
Whatever happened to pH? Man, did he and I ever get into the soil versus hydro fights! Remember those? Hell, we just fought on everything. Nothing but power plays. I remember his farce Yield-O-Rama. Man, was that a scientific study.
You have a good memory....has it really been that long, 17 frickin' years? Ahhhhhhhh, the good ol days. When the hell are we gonna give up this crap hehe?
chuck estevez
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you fought with others in the past? I don't believe it,lolKinda remember that but since I was not into hydro, I really never paid it much attention. If you looked at Lucas and "his" formula (aka 'Newbie' during the days of cannabis.com) he had the K way up over the N, which a lot of hydro manufacturers do. I still don't get that, and no one to this day has explained to me why that is - that K is always quite a bit higher than N for a typical Grow food.
Whatever happened to pH? Man, did he and I ever get into the soil versus hydro fights! Remember those? Hell, we just fought on everything. Nothing but power plays. I remember his farce Yield-O-Rama. Man, was that a scientific study.
You have a good memory....has it really been that long, 17 frickin' years? Ahhhhhhhh, the good ol days. When the hell are we gonna give up this crap hehe?
potroastV2
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Well, if pH is still around, he is in his late-70's now. He was a brilliant resource for many early internet growers.
billy4479
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The N to K ratio that you see in many formula's today evolved from plant tissue analyses Of tomatoes . When forcing the flowering of a tomatoes the N to K ratio is very important If N exceeds K harvest will be very reduced . And since many Fertilizer company's test there products on tomatoes and other night shades . there is a chapter in a book called hydroponic food production dr howard resh . that explains it a whole lot better .Kinda remember that but since I was not into hydro, I really never paid it much attention. If you looked at Lucas and "his" formula (aka 'Newbie' during the days of cannabis.com) he had the K way up over the N, which a lot of hydro manufacturers do. I still don't get that, and no one to this day has explained to me why that is - that K is always quite a bit higher than N for a typical Grow food.
Whatever happened to pH? Man, did he and I ever get into the soil versus hydro fights! Remember those? Hell, we just fought on everything. Nothing but power plays. I remember his farce Yield-O-Rama. Man, was that a scientific study.
You have a good memory....has it really been that long, 17 frickin' years? Ahhhhhhhh, the good ol days. When the hell are we gonna give up this crap hehe?
billy4479
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Shit I think back in 96-97 I Was all into Pokemon cards and still had recess .Hey UB, do you remember in the early days of adpc (96-97), most indoor hydro growers used GH Flora series nutes, and the ageed-upon rate to use was 5 ml of each (5-5-5), instead of the bottle instructions? Then some of us started using half of that, at 2.5 ml of each. I don't even remember what the bottle instructions are, but we had great grows using that small amount, and in equal parts instead of upping the Bloom during flowering.
Then after that, pH (the guy) came up with the theory that Nitrate Nitrogen was more abundant in the Micro component than Ammonium Nitrogen, and the opposite was true of the Grow component, so we did a large group experiment growing crops using only the Micro and Bloom components to see if it works better, and then young Lucas posted it on the web and it became known as the Lucas formula.
It was all about N and P back then too.
Uncle Ben
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Didn't realize he was that old but who am I to talk, I'm right behind him.Well, if pH is still around, he is in his late-70's now. He was a brilliant resource for many early internet growers.
Uncle Ben
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Interesting and it makes sense. I often see the N deficiency with Hydro growers and when they fess up to what they've been using, it's always something with a high K to N ratio.
At least Dyna-Gro has it right and wouldn't you know it, they're not a cannabis specific plant food like Advanced Shysters. Like their Foliage Pro, a perfect high N food with all 16 essential elements. "Back in the day", Dyna-Gro was producing hydro specific foods long before ANY of the cannabis hawks came to being.
Uncle Ben
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At least you weren't still messin' in your drawers like I accuse many of the smart ass kids that play here.
UB
Uncle Ben
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Mr. Skunk #1.Well, if pH is still around, he is in his late-70's now. He was a brilliant resource for many early internet growers.
Did you ever order from Jock? Remember he was the first Dam seed contact during the ADPC days. And then there was 'Rachet' aka 'Flick' hehe. Me as 'Kip'. pH as the Chicken Wire Man, aka SCROG inventor.
Wait a frickin' moment......!!!!! Look what I found, my Jerry Springer spoof I wrote 17 years ago, hah! I wrote this because of all the fighting, remember - the Brits against the Americans, me against Flick and pH, the guys who didn't like what someone was saying so they accused them of using "too much bandwidth".
Remember these handles and social twists, the charades?!Tonight's show comes complete with all the snot nose college kids one might want: Shiva and the kaka; included is the Prince of Darkness, Flick the Sick Prick; Kip the kipchit, phlo the Flow Doe, pH the Chicken Wireman, Roam the Praire Dog, and of course, The Others. The Brits are present tonight decked out in their finest Redcoats and eager to fire shots at The Pilgrims, patting each other on the rumps and reassuring one another that they are indeed the "Chosen Special K's".
In the audience are to be found the usual whiners who are burping disclaimers about how unfair some Jerry Springer episodes are due to their excessive bandwidth, and asking cooperation from all, trying to show how they are helplessly drawn into flames which they really don't care to participate in, but have no choice in order to Protect the Newbies of the Internet.
And the topic tonight: CIVIL DISOBEDIENCE
The Flick Prick camp starts the debate. Whoops, was that a chair on the fly, I seen it, yes I did!!! It came flying on its own volition from the Prick camp, oh, no, missed Kip the kipchit, and hit pH, the Chicken Wire Man! Bad miscalculation!!! Blood oozes tonight on the ADPC Jerry Springer Show, red hydro juices flow once more!!!!!! Wow! A cry is heard from the audience: "More, more, more.....!!!".
A dark figure from the audience is heard to murmur "Can't we all just try to get along?" as six seedy bald head dudes with rings in every body orifice take their seats directly behind The Dark Figure, ready to right the injustices of the New Age, and make the world a better place to live thru New World Cleansing Techniques.
In walks PKM, aka, Ganga Guerilla Man, decked out in the finest Suit of Guerilla Body Armor - a lovely Brownie in each hand. A sigh of jealousy is heard from the audience and, oh hell, there goes another chair, this off the boot of the infamous saviour Kip, I see Jesus Kip!!!! Bamm!@!@@@!!!!, Flick the Sick Prick catches a good right in his privates, driving his left testicle where his tonsils ought to be, drawing a sigh and much applause once again from the audience!!! Jerry comes running out on stage, realizing that everyone here has finally lost control, far beyond his normal canned protocol of distasteful antics, wishing he had never selected the topic of Civil Disobedience for this Group.
The lights dim, there is a hush over the audience, and as Jerry breaks for the night's final commercial, a murmur is faintly heard: Good night to all, and to all a good night.... a shadow is seen tip-toeing towards the exit sign.
darkness falls on the set .........
simisimis
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Can it be the also the case why people are removing leaves of tomatoes during the flowering period and claim to have better fruiting results? Since leaves store quite a lot of N in there, but so does it keep K in there... I had an argument with my mother when I was telling not to cut any leaves but my beliefs were based on mj plant foliage removal.. And she said that generatiosns of people around here were removing leaves and getting better results..
Uncle Ben
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Suckering a tomato is much like some of the misguided paradigms here. Grandma did it that way as did her Ma and Pa, and that's the way its gonna be. They don't give in to the fact that they're destroying the plant's food production machine. One of my tomato plants finishes out at 7'H X 5' W and produces at least a hundred pounds. I grow in large cages I make out of a roll of 5' concrete hardware cloth, mesh 6"X6". I have a gardening friend who gives his tomatoes pure N, ammonium sulfate, never suckers them (of course) and his production is incredible. Blew me away when I heard it. But it makes sense, his soil does not have any N, as do most native soils in my area. Excuse the pun, but you have to dig for all the information and then put it together in proper context.
UB
simisimis
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I was talking about actual fan leaves(not the suckers coming out between leaf and the stem). Anyway that's what I though and was arguing with my mother, if leaves are the ones that drives production, how can it be good if you remove them..
I did not do any reading about tomatoes, mj is on my main interest. Just only this year, out of interest, I dropped 3 freebie tomato seeds into some real small pots without knowing what to expect and they grew like 5' tall and with overlapping on each other they are like 6' width. And when I started using bloom food instead of grow food it really started on growing more tomatoes instead of leafs.. But when I used that bloom food on mj, I only lost bottom/middle leaves because of N def and got stunned growth..
Please don't make fun of those tomatoes, they never meant to look that way Still I got like 60 tomatoes per those 3 plants and still harvesting them...
Also I know that this is not a tomatoes forum, just a question derived from discussion.
Cheers
I did not do any reading about tomatoes, mj is on my main interest. Just only this year, out of interest, I dropped 3 freebie tomato seeds into some real small pots without knowing what to expect and they grew like 5' tall and with overlapping on each other they are like 6' width. And when I started using bloom food instead of grow food it really started on growing more tomatoes instead of leafs.. But when I used that bloom food on mj, I only lost bottom/middle leaves because of N def and got stunned growth..
Please don't make fun of those tomatoes, they never meant to look that way
Still I got like 60 tomatoes per those 3 plants and still harvesting them... Also I know that this is not a tomatoes forum, just a question derived from discussion.
Cheers
Situation420
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Don't worry no ones gonna bash your tomatoes. How good do you expect a plant to be when all it has is a window with minimal light coming through to get as big as all the outdoor ones. Looks good to me!View attachment 2803078
Please don't make fun of those tomatoes, they never meant to look that way
Also I know that this is not a tomatoes forum, just a question derived from discussion.
Cheers