regs vs fems

[Trousers]

 

[tusseltussel]

I think as long as you use stable genes you be ok....the end

so that could be looked at as beneficial in that you might have a bit more predictability
or it could be looked at as a negative because you have less types of expression


If you are just chucking pollen, I think fems are a much better choice.
If you have
a lot of space
can grow out multiple males/females and save good genetics
want to back cross etc

then regs might be the better choice


with my 21 square feet of growing space, fems make the most sense for me

 

[fg2020]

Colloidal silver and STS do not stress the plant. They make the plant produce the hormones that create male flowers in female plants. Using colloidal silver or STS is just taking advantage of a normal and natural aspect of cannabis.

Every female cannabis plant has the ability to produce male flowers. That does not make them hermaphrodites.

You do not understand the difference between monoecious and dioecious hermaphrodites. Stress is not passed down in DNA.

You do not understand the difference between monoecious and dioecious hermaphrodites.
Creating female seeds does not pass down any hermaphroditism.

1. As soon as a female displays male flowers, it is by definition hermaphroditic.
2. Hermaphroditism in "regular" females is not normal or natural, it is an evolutionary survival mechanism.
3. Who says stress is passed down in DNA? The pollen from a hermaphroditic female is genetically different from the pollen of a normal male.
4. Monoecious and dioecious hermaphrodites? In cannabis? A hermophrodite is by definition monoceious. It is you who does not understand.
5. Creating female seeds absolutely increases the percentage of hermaphrodites. See #2.

 

[Trousers]

1. As soon as a female displays male flowers, it is by definition hermaphroditic.

If it is a female and shows male flowers, it is a monoecious hermaphrodite. It only has X chromosomes and can only produce female plants. It can not produce a male plant or a dioecious hermaphrodite as it lacks a Y chromosome...........
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2. Hermaphroditism in "regular" females is not normal or natural, it is an evolutionary survival mechanism.

Monoecious hermaphroditism in female plants is a normal and natural survival mechanism. It is what I take advantage of to produce feminized seeds. There has not been one hermaphrodite or male from the feminized seeds I have made.

3. Who says stress is passed down in DNA? The pollen from a hermaphroditic female is genetically different from the pollen of a normal male.

The only difference is that it lacks a Y chromosome.

4. Monoecious and dioecious hermaphrodites? In cannabis? A hermophrodite is by definition monoceious. It is you who does not understand.

Some say cucumbers taste better pickled.

Cannabis normally has imperfect flowers, with staminate "male" and pistillate "female" flowers occurring on separate plants.[SUP][11][/SUP] It is not unusual, however, for individual plants to bear both male and female flowers.[SUP][12][/SUP] Although monoecious plants are often referred to as "hermaphrodites," true hermaphrodites (which are less common) bear staminate and pistillate structures on individual flowers, whereas monoecious plants bear male and female flowers at different locations on the same plant.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cannabis

5. Creating female seeds absolutely increases the percentage of hermaphrodites. See #2.

You are wrong.

 

[RedCarpetMatches]

Very entertaining thread! If a he/she had a daughter would it look like Trousers pic?!?! Fem seeds are fine and convenient. Pheno hunting takes up more space, $$$, and time. Pheno hunting is high risk high reward. I get fems due to space, but would absolutely prefer the natural breeders selection.

 

[fg2020]

If it is a female and shows male flowers, it is a monoecious hermaphrodite. It only has X chromosomes and can only produce female plants. It can not produce a male plant or a dioecious hermaphrodite as it lacks a Y chromosome.

Monoecious hermaphroditism in female plants is a normal and natural survival mechanism. It is what I take advantage of to produce feminized seeds. There has not been one hermaphrodite or male from the feminized seeds I have made.

The only difference is that it lacks a Y chromosome.

Although monoecious plants are often referred to as "hermaphrodites," true hermaphrodites (which are less common) bear staminate and pistillate structures on individual flowers

1. "It only has X chromosomes and can only produce female plants." 100% pure BS. It can also produce hermaphrodites as anyone who has germinated "feminized" seeds is well aware of. Furthermore, these hermaphrodites will frequently be what the Wikipedia article is referring to as "true hermaphrodites" although it is somewhat inaccurate to call them that as the cited source for "true hermaphrodites" (from 1950, no less) is undoubtedly referring to a dioceious (or "regular" if you prefer) population. I can't verify that as the link is dead, but a scientist in the fifties would be working from the standpoint that cannabis is substantially and most commonly a dioecious plant.

Therefore, if "true hermaphrodites" are rare in the population of "regular" dioecious cannabis plants, it is clear that you are citing information in an effort to mislead people. End of argument for me. I encourage everyone reading this to do the research - well beyond what you are going to find in a Wikipedia article - and you will find that cannabis plants are very different from Gregor Mendel's pea plants. I firmly believe that "Trousers" has never done any serious research on the matter.

EDIT: Is that you subcool?

 

[Grandmah]

Just grow your weed with whatever type of seeds you have

 

[tusseltussel]

1. "It only has X chromosomes and can only produce female plants." 100% pure BS. It can also produce hermaphrodites as anyone who has germinated "feminized" seeds is well aware of. Furthermore, these hermaphrodites will frequently be what the Wikipedia article is referring to as "true hermaphrodites" although it is somewhat inaccurate to call them that as the cited source for "true hermaphrodites" (from 1950, no less) is undoubtedly referring to a dioceious (or "regular" if you prefer) population. I can't verify that as the link is dead, but a scientist in the fifties would be working from the standpoint that cannabis is substantially and most commonly a dioecious plant.

Therefore, if "true hermaphrodites" are rare in the population of "regular" dioecious cannabis plants, it is clear that you are citing information in an effort to mislead people. End of argument for me. I encourage everyone reading this to do the research - well beyond what you are going to find in a Wikipedia article - and you will find that cannabis plants are very different from Gregor Mendel's pea plants. I firmly believe that "Trousers" has never done any serious research on the matter.

EDIT: Is that you subcool?

dude are you a cock, why are you being a cock, don't be a cock, that's not cool, not, being a cock for sure.. Such a cock. No reason to be such a cock

 

[Trousers]

1. "It only has X chromosomes and can only produce female plants." 100% pure BS.

There is no need to be rude while you are being wrong.
I am surprised you are a victim of misinformation from 5-10 years ago.


If you take a female plant (XX chromosomes) and trick it into producing male flowers, the pollen will only have 2 X chromosomes (XX). If you pollinate a female plant (XX chromosomes) the resulting seeds will produce plants with only X chromosomes (XX). Those are female plants. They can be stressed into producing male flowers, like all female cannabis plants.

To make a male plant or a dioecious hermaphrodite you need a Y chromosome.
Where does the Y chromosome come from? Does it magically appear?

It can also produce hermaphrodites

It can only produce monoecious hermaphrodites. Those are usually the result of stress from the grower and environment.
Feminized seeds are just as likely to produce monoecious hermaphrodites as regular seeds.
You have not offered me any reason to believe otherwise.

I have produced thousands of feminized seeds and have never had a "hermie."
You are the victim of rumors spread on teh interwebs by crappy growers.

as anyone who has germinated "feminized" seeds is well aware of.

Crappy growers stress plants and get monoecious hermaphrodites. They get the same from regular seeds.

Furthermore, these hermaphrodites will frequently be what the Wikipedia article is referring to as "true hermaphrodites"

That is impossible.
Where does the Y chromosome come from?

although it is somewhat inaccurate to call them that as the cited source for "true hermaphrodites" (from 1950, no less) is undoubtedly referring to a dioceious (or "regular" if you prefer) population. I can't verify that as the link is dead, but a scientist in the fifties would be working from the standpoint that cannabis is substantially and most commonly a dioecious plant.

I am not sure what you are trying to say. Cannabis is a dioecious plant. It has males and females.
A female is monoecious in that it only has one kind of chromosome, X.
A monoecious hermaphrodite is a female that shows male flowers. That is normal and natural and how we get feminized seeds.
Feminized seeds are about as likely to produce male flowers as their parents.
You have not offered anything that backs up your opinion.

Therefore, if "true hermaphrodites" are rare in the population of "regular" dioecious cannabis plants, it is clear that you are citing information in an effort to mislead people.

You are posting lies based on rumors from years ago. You misunderstand what is pretty common knowledge.
I am citing information to back up my opinions. You are doing nothing like that.

End of argument for me.

You have not offered anything to back up your lies.

I encourage everyone reading this to do the research - well beyond what you are going to find in a Wikipedia article - and you will find that cannabis plants are very different from Gregor Mendel's pea plants.

Pea plants are monoecious but the genetics work the same. If you have a logical or scientific problem with what I have posted, show me where I am wrong.

I firmly believe that "Trousers" has never done any serious research on the matter.

I do not need to, it is pretty much common sense and experience.
Where doe that magic Y chromosome come from? Does a magic fairy put it in there?
How many feminized seeds have you produced and or grown?

Did you spend big dollars on fem seeds then stress them into producing male flowers?
Or are you just a victim of internet rumors from shitty growers from years ago?

EDIT: Is that you subcool?

Do some reading and quit spreading lies.

 

[Trousers]

There have been studies done on dioecious plants, not cannabis, that show that the DNA methylation is different in the two X chromosomes. That suggests one of the two X chromosomes is hypermethylated and inactive.

That makes sense. It does not limit the plant in that it is probably random which chromosome gets hypermethylated.
If that is true for cannabis, then feminized seeds would have less variation.

 

[RedCarpetMatches]

There have been studies done on dioecious plants, not cannabis, that show that the DNA methylation is different in the two X chromosomes. That suggests one of the two X chromosomes is hypermethylated and inactive.

That makes sense. It does not limit the plant in that it is probably random which chromosome gets hypermethylated.
If that is true for cannabis, then feminized seeds would have less variation.

Do you breed?

 

[shadyslater]

i only wanted to know if the end product was the same lol... but carry on boys im learnin shit and having fun

oh btw cheers guys

 

[Trousers]

The end product is the same. There is no difference between a female plant from a feminized seeds and a female plant from a regular seed.

The whole "hermie" thing should have been put to rest years ago.

 

[shadyslater]

Yh mate it is obvious lol theres a guy on another forum tryin ta tell c/silver magically turns females to males without it bein a hermie lol

 

[tusseltussel]

it has to do with hormones from what I understand and like I said earlier there is a huge difference between a natural hermie and a female that has been treated. I have never had a hermie from feminized seed but I have from regular seed and I have grown a lot of weed, man.

Yh mate it is obvious lol theres a guy on another forum tryin ta tell c/silver magically turns females to males without it bein a hermie lol