burgertime2010
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Because a democracy is majority rule. You are in the minority and the law exists property may not be taken without due process. I see what you are saying....but most don't wait for the bomb to explode.
Guns don't kill people, gun owners kill people.
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darrellduaner
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but we be living in a constitutional republic, not a democracy
burgertime2010
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Due Process is a right too. Laws are formed by democratic process albeit indirect.
darrellduaner
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isnt that the problem? leaving laws that we all have to abide by to the uneducated masses that are swayed by 'statistics'?
due process is a veil under which the government can enforce compulsory services. it is a necessity for maintaining an appearance of legitimacy, legitimacy that is negated as soon as the government tries to interfere with your 'rights' to property. while i dont believe in rights, i also dont like contradictions and therefore am disgusted at the idea of confiscation of property
Doer
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That high horse ego gives you the pass. I see. Just Helping I bet. We already got onto that manner of thinking. It is Elitist. Get a pass, on slinging shit....I know, but necessary...
Beefbisquit
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See, that's just retarded.
There are standards in virtually every industry to mitigate public harm, destruction to the environment, and countless other factors. You're not allowed to attempt to build a nuclear reactor, and I'm pretty damn happy about that. You lack the funding for proper safety protocols, and you lack the training required to safely operate and maintain a reactor. I don't give a shit how bad you want to own one, or if it's on your land. It's a terrible idea with far reaching consequences and common sense laws were formed as a result.
What happens when you stockpile nerve gas and improperly store it, or have a house fire on a windy day? What happens when regular firefighters show up to save your ass because your (now dead) neighbors called 911 because your house was on fire? Do you say you're sorry and then put laws in place? Should everyone be equipped to deal with your idiocy just because you're too stupid to see the consequences of your actions? Fuck no, and fuck stupid people.
darrellduaner
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all extreme cases aside (fools with nuclear weapons and nerve gas; regular average income citizens with dreams of owning a nuclear reactor, psych ward escapees with rockets) there is no reason to take away someone else's property
burgertime2010
Well-Known Member
It is a problem. I happen to agree with the masses on the illegal status of possessing certain dangerous things. It does not follow that I support the seizure of property too. I come off as a by the book type but the reality is different. You are talking of how it should be and I am just describing where we are. It is just hard to watch so much cherrypicking. People talk about respecting the 2nd amendment and disrespect the 1st..... my right to free speech. I don't do anything that would result in property confiscation, I don't own property, so all I ask is to exist in relative harmony.
burgertime2010
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In a nutshell, beef says it well.
darrellduaner
Active Member
because in the event of a history major building a nuclear plant in his community, or a burnout performing the demon core experiment on the sidewalk, we should restrict and regulate 'rights' to property
burgertime2010
Well-Known Member
Ok, get it all out every rotten name you wanna call me and then go waste your talent bullying someone who cares. Your shtick is boring. Move on.
burgertime2010
Well-Known Member
Property is not the issue, at least on my end. If that is more disturbing than the right the govt has to end your life I don't get why.
darrellduaner
Active Member
not sure i understand this post
Beefbisquit
Well-Known Member
You're right. Certain property should never be sold to the public to begin with, or should have restrictions put on it so that only qualified citizens, with the knowledge to responsibly use it, can purchase said property.
Just in case you're wondering, I don't mean 'guns' in general.
I own a lot of guns.
burgertime2010
Well-Known Member
Life, liberty, property can all be deprived from us under due process. The govt has those "rights." Personally property seizure is better than living in a cage. Do you support the death penalty? Or imprisonment?
darrellduaner
Active Member
death! death to murderers, death to rapists, death to home invaders! why?
also, why take someone's property?
burgertime2010
Well-Known Member
This is in the constitution, it is punishment. Don't ask me why? But to be fair the right protects these from being imposed without a trial process.....I get it. Can I ask why property is the one you seem most passionate about?
Nice Ol Bud
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I fucking hate statistics..
darrellduaner
Active Member
are you saying the death penalty is in the constitution? i think the fifth amendment 'right' of due process is to uphold the legitimacy of tyrants and psychopaths. they will charge you with an offense outside of their jurisdiction and without any standing which is required to have a valid complaint, but you wont know that. after a pretend fair hearing you are found guilty and punished/corrected.
now, what is property one of that i seem most passionate about?
burgertime2010
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If I remember correctly "One cannot be deprived of life, liberty, or property without due process of law." Deprived of life" sounds like a death sentence. "Deprived of liberty" a jail term. "deprived of property, well we know what that means. I was wondering why property, which seems better than death or jail, is the hot button?