The Main-Lining Thread

DANKSWAG

DANKSWAG

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Mo,

Looking good, say I am still trying to master the mainline manifold creation. I must not either be paying close enough attention or it is because I am using clones but nonetheless it seems I always end up with a out of a 8 top a couple of branches that are not keeping pace with the others in growth. This is a somewhat a little frustrating (when trying to maintain an even canopy) but I am sure perhaps it is part me and part clone for I noticed unlike a seedling that has both nodes growing out next to each other after topping, my clones seem to have single branch instead of two like a seedling does at its node site, therefore when I top there is only one branch growing from that site therefore the lower node and it's one branch become the two new branches that again be top but they are in different lengths. So it is difficult to maintain even manifold when only on branch per node site exist.

DS
 
budolskie

budolskie

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mainlined for 4 each maybe flip this weekend for xmas what yous think or wait a bit longer will be back with sum proper pics of each tomorrow
 
JohnNeedsMeds

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budolskie said:
just for some xmas smoke only 4 heads mine tho in 18ltr pots and 1 in a 10ltr pot
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Hey Bud, when you first started growing what was the hardest decision you had to make as far as your grow gear? I have pretty much everything covered except lighting. I need to keep electricity usage down but still bring in a good crop. It's a tough decision. :-P
 
shadyslater

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Iv seen good things done with 250w hps's JNM. iv done and still doin the cfl ting and while they do work well growth is a lil slower
 
JohnNeedsMeds

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shadyslater said:
Iv seen good things done with 250w hps's JNM. iv done and still doin the cfl ting and while they do work well growth is a lil slower
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Thanks Shady! I have done a lot of research into lighting and seen all kinds and I always seem to end back up with hps. I mean they work and work well even though there is so much wasted PAR into the yellowish spectrum. It's like they have so much intense light that they force a plant to grow...no choice given. lol Know what I mean? :)
 
budolskie

budolskie

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Well I like thw hps for flowering and cfl is great for veg but the money I will save on buying shit weed will compensate for the extra money I pay on lecy to run the hps
 
Javadog

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DANKSWAG said:
Mo,

Looking good, say I am still trying to master the mainline manifold creation. I must not either be paying close enough attention or it is because I am using clones but nonetheless it seems I always end up with a out of a 8 top a couple of branches that are not keeping pace with the others in growth. This is a somewhat a little frustrating (when trying to maintain an even canopy) but I am sure perhaps it is part me and part clone for I noticed unlike a seedling that has both nodes growing out next to each other after topping, my clones seem to have single branch instead of two like a seedling does at its node site, therefore when I top there is only one branch growing from that site therefore the lower node and it's one branch become the two new branches that again be top but they are in different lengths. So it is difficult to maintain even manifold when only on branch per node site exist.

DS
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This is a great post.

I have seen the same thing.

If the nodes are truly coming in sets of two, alternating
in the direction that they face, then the energy that the
resulting tops will get will be pretty much perfectly balanced.

But if you are seeing the branches not coming out in sets of
two, but in alternating one to one side, then one to the other
side, then it is possible that one of the two branches selected
for mainlining to be stronger than the other.

Onward and upward,

JD
 
shadyslater

shadyslater

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Javadog said:
This is a great post.

I have seen the same thing.

If the nodes are truly coming in sets of two, alternating
in the direction that they face, then the energy that the
resulting tops will get will be pretty much perfectly balanced.

But if you are seeing the branches not coming out in sets of
two, but in alternating one to one side, then one to the other
side, then it is possible that one of the two branches selected
for mainlining to be stronger than the other.

Onward and upward,

JD
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lol this happend on 1 of my 4's befor i topped for 8 lol.......... dodgy as fuk
 
JohnNeedsMeds

JohnNeedsMeds

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shadyslater said:
lol this happend on 1 of my 4's befor i topped for 8 lol.......... dodgy as fuk
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The question is, is the plant worth growing out if it is not symmetrical, 2 even opposing branches. It seems to me that it will throw the whole mainlining technique off from start to finish and you are left with dealing with an unruly plant the whole way. Lopsided, if you will. :-P Any thoughts?
 
DANKSWAG

DANKSWAG

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Javadog said:
This is a great post.

I have seen the same thing.

If the nodes are truly coming in sets of two, alternating
in the direction that they face, then the energy that the
resulting tops will get will be pretty much perfectly balanced.

But if you are seeing the branches not coming out in sets of
two, but in alternating one to one side, then one to the other
side, then it is possible that one of the two branches selected
for mainlining to be stronger than the other.

Onward and upward,

JD
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JD,

Does this have anything to do with how I take my clones, for it seems from seed I get sets of two opposing branches per node site, however with clones it seems to never fail that I get one branch per site alternating as described above. I have yet to perfect an 8 mainlined branches in perfect symmetry with clones. The closet I can get is when I top when there is very little distance between lower branch and upper branch nodes. But if for any reason I let top of the branch develop (to be sure I don't fim it instead of topping it) the greater the length between branch nodes before I top the greater the chance the lower one will under develop, some just do not. This leaves me to wonder what I can do either to encourage seeing sets of two branches at node sites when cloning or how I can better maintain a balanced manifold

DS
 
Javadog

Javadog

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This is something that clones do.

I am mixing it up, and will not try to quote it here, but I am
recalling growers having to grow out clones *until they start
to make true alternating branches*.

Now...is this correct?

If so, then perhaps this problem might be controlled by changing the
node that is used to start the manifold.

I will look into this...

JD
 
DANKSWAG

DANKSWAG

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JD,

My thinking too, just didn't think it would be a let it grow out then wait for right node structure. I was hoping maybe in taking clones I could do something as well to ensure a set of branches to develop at a node site.

Nonetheless I have no answers except seedlings which means I'd need to change things up to produce my own seeds, which seems like more work then attempting to perhaps modify how taking clones or forcing one to produce the desired two branches for that symmetrical manifold.

DS
 
Javadog

Javadog

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It seems that as the plant matures the branches change from "opposite" to "alternating".

This suggests that when starting from a seed one should use a node that is not *too* high
for the manifold. This might help ensure that the subsequent branches do not alternate.

If working with a clone, then I suppose that one would have to grow the clone out into a
new mom, until it is making opposite branches again.

Sort of a Re-Veg.

This is honestly beyond my current experience.

Good luck,

JD
 
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