whodatnation
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Will get to every single question dont worry. Give me a few to do some dishes and sit down to put something nice together.
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strictly seedleSs
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Plants are in the GH. When we were tilling the soil, I found a big mushroom. My old timer buddy took it from me, pulled out a knife, and ate the whole thing. I was pretty sure the mushroom was edible, as it probably came from the small amount of mushroom compost I added to the soil. I just wasnt sure enough to eat it without referencing a book or the internet.
Flaming Pie
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Question.
I just ordered a 600w hps that is dimmable. Can I still join the club if I run on 50% or 75%?
I just ordered a 600w hps that is dimmable. Can I still join the club if I run on 50% or 75%?
whodatnation
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It looks great ive just been through this conversation being called a idiot by other idiots.A few times.But a sealed room is still a sealed room even if it is ventilated from time to time during the cycle.The only time the seal of the room is broken is when fresh air is brought back into the room and the room regenerated with fresh co2.
A true sealed room.
"There are no holes, gaps or vents to anything outside of the indoor garden."
http://urbangardenmagazine.com/2009/04/growing-in-sealed-rooms-hydroponically/
CEA (closed environment agriculture)
http://www.1-hydroponics.co.uk/closed-environment-agriculture.html
​https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=145515
Yea the plant breaths co2 and exhausts O back out.
I think the book reads one air turn over in the room per day.So much as opening your door for a few min. will change over the air in the room. Does this still make the room a sealed room?
Yes, because the "fresh air" is augmented co2 from either bottled co2 or a co2 generator.
I have run completely sealed rooms in the past, sometimes leaving for a week or so at a time with doors shut. The fresh air literally is the augmented co2. Co2 ppm levels are kept steady with a monitor/controller. As the plants breath available co2 subsequently lowering co2 ppm the monitor/controller releases more co2, when levels are at the desired levels no co2 is being released.
Have you ever tried air change overs in the room? Do you leave the door open when you work in the room for any length of time?
Yes, I dont currently run sealed rooms.
I used to chill in my sealed room with the doors closed, but also did have the doors open from time to time for plant tending.
If you have a plant that is breathing co2 and you have several plants breathing co2 and exhaling oxygen,the plants breath up lets just say for example 200 ppm of co2 per hour and the co2 controller is set at lets just say 1500 ppm.What happens to that co2 as it sits in the room not being used at 1300ppm?
Not quite sure here. What about the extra 250ppm left over in normal atmosphere of 450ppm? I believe the plants will breath whats available to them with 1500ppm being said to be the max, anything over that is considered redundant.
Keep in mind, co2ppm held at elevated levels truely become evident when every other aspect of the grow and plants health are tip top. The plants will be able to utilize more light and nutrients.
What would happen to air or water if it sit still for awhile with very little movement or circulation?
Its surface would be smooth as a babies bottom.
If you were in the room and were exercising for example would you put off more co2 than the plants can use?
I do this regularly in my little building that houses my grow boxes. My monitor tells me I can get it to 2kppm in there.
YEA..you will elevate the co2 in the room fast as hell working in it.Do we know how much oxygen is in the air when the burner is running?
Not really I guess? But if 1500ppm is co2 Im guessing theres some o2 in the other 998,500ppm?
Do we know how much oxygen is in the air from what the plants put off?
No.
Do we know if there is a proper balance between air and co2 mixture?
IDK.
Are you sure the room is completely sealed and there is no air exchange into the room?
When that is the intention, yes, Im sure.
If we can assume a home that is sealed to tight would make a person sick in it cant we also assume that a grow room sealed to tight might make the plants sick in it also?
A good reason to have house plants. Fresh air for people= o2, Im sure the international space station doesn't have an air exchange lol. On that! They also grow plants up there <<<<<<<<<<<< COMPLETELY sealed, the plants provide o2 for the peeps and the peeps provide co2 for the plants. Fresh air is manufacture by each other for each other. Surely planet earth doesnt have some sort of external air exchang?
Point being, co2=fresh breathable air for plants, it doesnt matter where it comes from.
If we sealed a home completely tight for the purposes of this discussion, this is what we will assume. Then we fed oxygen into the building so the people could live what would happen to the exhaled co2?Would it accumulate?Now if we put plants in the building how many would it take and would there be a balance between co2 and O that would be healthy?
Well this is why its desirable not to purposely live in a sealed room with no plans of providing o2 for yourself. Yes people suffocate from lack of o2 in sealed situations, plants will completely stop growing once co2 levels drop to 150-200ppm < thats why you want "fresh air"
As you can see there is allot of questions marks.This is the same reasoning the scientist/engineer says in the medical marijuana growers bible to change the air over in the room and refresh the co2.The guy didnt come to the conclusion from being stupid im thinking.
Co2 is co2 it doesnt go stale. He says plants need fresh air and that is correct, they do. He was not referring to a true sealed "PERFECT" grow room.
As something is used it needs to be replenished.
Its just logic.
Yes it is
Many green house controllers that have a co2 injection feature on them you will also see a timed ventilator switch that turns off the injectors/generator and evacuates the old atmosphere and regenerate with fresh co2.There is a reason behind this madness.
Yesh and TEMPURATURE is what tells your controller to turn on your fans and get rid of the hot air,,, otherwise it would just be on a timer right?
In sealed rooms AC is used to cool all heat produced.
There is no "fresh" or "old" or "stale" co2! Co2 is co2!
Your controller releases co2 until the desired level is reached and will then turn off until it drops again. The room automatically vents when temps reach the set maximum, but this ends up flushing all your augmented co2 basically throwing it out. If your temps never exceeded the max temperature your fans will not "kick on to provide "fresh" co2"
In true sealed rooms a split ac unit is used to cool every bit of heat produce.
My plants are injected with co2 and the room is evacuated 4 times a day twice at nite once as soon as lights go off to supply plenty of air for the root systems to do there thing at night.
Your plants look every bit as good as mine can i attribute it to me evacuating the room and regenerating it with fresh co2 and you can attribute it to not doing it?
I dont currently augment co2.
My cabs are on alternating cycles, the night side producing co2 while the day side uses it. My co2 ppm levels hover around 600... Id like them to be around 1500.
I dont know..im just doing what makes common sense to me and what also makes common sense to a engineer who would be thinking on the same lines as i do.
Theres nothing wrong with that, there are many ways to do this thing we love,,, but
you just dont fully understand closed environment agriculture. I hope the links I provided will help you to change this.
You might see some large growers not venting their rooms..but you will never see a large green house not ventilate.
The only time a greenhouse with augmented co2 will vent is when temps or humidity get too high, otherwise no venting is used. Then again I dont think iv seen a greenhouse with augme
The game here is controlling the environment to the best of your abilities.
Heat? use A/C
Humidity? Dehumidifier
co2 level optimal? Yup!
I just gave you a pile of reasons to ventilate ..a bunch of them.most of them with question marks behind them.I dont like question marks.I prefer to be the total master of my environment without question marks floating around.
The ultimate control of ones environment is achieved with a 100% sealed environment.
To some degree an open loupe environment is dictated by its outside condition.
The only reason ive seen from anyone on here as why to not ventilate is my plants do fine look at them.
Well hopefully you can now see the great things that come with closed environment agriculture.
Well so do mine and i dont have the question mark over my head.
There is no question about whether i have the proper mixture in my room. There is no question about anything becoming stagnant in my room.
Im sorry if i called you a idiot.
I dont think you did?
Ive been through this conversation over and over again.
To be honest no room is completely sealed up.
Sorry but thats just not true.
edit: ok ok, do microscopic holes count? Come on.
There is always some sort of air infiltration in the room.even some of the tightest houses will still get air infiltration.
I honestly believe if there wasn't some sort of air infiltration in a totally sealed grow room it would go to shit.
Yes it would, if supplemental co2 was not used.
I do not think it takes any where near the amount of times i will recycle the air in my room..but i do it anyway.
Where do people on the space station receive fresh air? Probably from a generator of some form including the plants they have growing. Im sure they dont exchange the air every few hrs.
You ever see the guy who wore suspenders with his belt? Thats the guy that is sure his pants wont fall down.
Nope, cant say that I have
A true sealed room.
"There are no holes, gaps or vents to anything outside of the indoor garden."
http://urbangardenmagazine.com/2009/04/growing-in-sealed-rooms-hydroponically/
CEA (closed environment agriculture)
http://www.1-hydroponics.co.uk/closed-environment-agriculture.html
​https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=145515
Yea the plant breaths co2 and exhausts O back out.
I think the book reads one air turn over in the room per day.So much as opening your door for a few min. will change over the air in the room. Does this still make the room a sealed room?
Yes, because the "fresh air" is augmented co2 from either bottled co2 or a co2 generator.
I have run completely sealed rooms in the past, sometimes leaving for a week or so at a time with doors shut. The fresh air literally is the augmented co2. Co2 ppm levels are kept steady with a monitor/controller. As the plants breath available co2 subsequently lowering co2 ppm the monitor/controller releases more co2, when levels are at the desired levels no co2 is being released.
Have you ever tried air change overs in the room? Do you leave the door open when you work in the room for any length of time?
Yes, I dont currently run sealed rooms.
I used to chill in my sealed room with the doors closed, but also did have the doors open from time to time for plant tending.
If you have a plant that is breathing co2 and you have several plants breathing co2 and exhaling oxygen,the plants breath up lets just say for example 200 ppm of co2 per hour and the co2 controller is set at lets just say 1500 ppm.What happens to that co2 as it sits in the room not being used at 1300ppm?
Not quite sure here. What about the extra 250ppm left over in normal atmosphere of 450ppm? I believe the plants will breath whats available to them with 1500ppm being said to be the max, anything over that is considered redundant.
Keep in mind, co2ppm held at elevated levels truely become evident when every other aspect of the grow and plants health are tip top. The plants will be able to utilize more light and nutrients.
What would happen to air or water if it sit still for awhile with very little movement or circulation?
Its surface would be smooth as a babies bottom.
If you were in the room and were exercising for example would you put off more co2 than the plants can use?
I do this regularly in my little building that houses my grow boxes. My monitor tells me I can get it to 2kppm in there.
YEA..you will elevate the co2 in the room fast as hell working in it.Do we know how much oxygen is in the air when the burner is running?
Not really I guess? But if 1500ppm is co2 Im guessing theres some o2 in the other 998,500ppm?
Do we know how much oxygen is in the air from what the plants put off?
No.
Do we know if there is a proper balance between air and co2 mixture?
IDK.
Are you sure the room is completely sealed and there is no air exchange into the room?
When that is the intention, yes, Im sure.
If we can assume a home that is sealed to tight would make a person sick in it cant we also assume that a grow room sealed to tight might make the plants sick in it also?
A good reason to have house plants. Fresh air for people= o2, Im sure the international space station doesn't have an air exchange lol. On that! They also grow plants up there <<<<<<<<<<<< COMPLETELY sealed, the plants provide o2 for the peeps and the peeps provide co2 for the plants. Fresh air is manufacture by each other for each other. Surely planet earth doesnt have some sort of external air exchang?
Point being, co2=fresh breathable air for plants, it doesnt matter where it comes from.
If we sealed a home completely tight for the purposes of this discussion, this is what we will assume. Then we fed oxygen into the building so the people could live what would happen to the exhaled co2?Would it accumulate?Now if we put plants in the building how many would it take and would there be a balance between co2 and O that would be healthy?
Well this is why its desirable not to purposely live in a sealed room with no plans of providing o2 for yourself. Yes people suffocate from lack of o2 in sealed situations, plants will completely stop growing once co2 levels drop to 150-200ppm < thats why you want "fresh air"
As you can see there is allot of questions marks.This is the same reasoning the scientist/engineer says in the medical marijuana growers bible to change the air over in the room and refresh the co2.The guy didnt come to the conclusion from being stupid im thinking.
Co2 is co2 it doesnt go stale. He says plants need fresh air and that is correct, they do. He was not referring to a true sealed "PERFECT" grow room.
As something is used it needs to be replenished.
Its just logic.
Yes it is
Many green house controllers that have a co2 injection feature on them you will also see a timed ventilator switch that turns off the injectors/generator and evacuates the old atmosphere and regenerate with fresh co2.There is a reason behind this madness.
Yesh and TEMPURATURE is what tells your controller to turn on your fans and get rid of the hot air,,, otherwise it would just be on a timer right?
In sealed rooms AC is used to cool all heat produced.
There is no "fresh" or "old" or "stale" co2! Co2 is co2!
Your controller releases co2 until the desired level is reached and will then turn off until it drops again. The room automatically vents when temps reach the set maximum, but this ends up flushing all your augmented co2 basically throwing it out. If your temps never exceeded the max temperature your fans will not "kick on to provide "fresh" co2"
In true sealed rooms a split ac unit is used to cool every bit of heat produce.
My plants are injected with co2 and the room is evacuated 4 times a day twice at nite once as soon as lights go off to supply plenty of air for the root systems to do there thing at night.
Your plants look every bit as good as mine can i attribute it to me evacuating the room and regenerating it with fresh co2 and you can attribute it to not doing it?
I dont currently augment co2.
My cabs are on alternating cycles, the night side producing co2 while the day side uses it. My co2 ppm levels hover around 600... Id like them to be around 1500.
I dont know..im just doing what makes common sense to me and what also makes common sense to a engineer who would be thinking on the same lines as i do.
Theres nothing wrong with that, there are many ways to do this thing we love,,, but
you just dont fully understand closed environment agriculture. I hope the links I provided will help you to change this.
You might see some large growers not venting their rooms..but you will never see a large green house not ventilate.
The only time a greenhouse with augmented co2 will vent is when temps or humidity get too high, otherwise no venting is used. Then again I dont think iv seen a greenhouse with augme
The game here is controlling the environment to the best of your abilities.
Heat? use A/C
Humidity? Dehumidifier
co2 level optimal? Yup!
I just gave you a pile of reasons to ventilate ..a bunch of them.most of them with question marks behind them.I dont like question marks.I prefer to be the total master of my environment without question marks floating around.
The ultimate control of ones environment is achieved with a 100% sealed environment.
To some degree an open loupe environment is dictated by its outside condition.
The only reason ive seen from anyone on here as why to not ventilate is my plants do fine look at them.
Well hopefully you can now see the great things that come with closed environment agriculture.
Well so do mine and i dont have the question mark over my head.
There is no question about whether i have the proper mixture in my room. There is no question about anything becoming stagnant in my room.
Im sorry if i called you a idiot.
I dont think you did?
Ive been through this conversation over and over again.
To be honest no room is completely sealed up.
Sorry but thats just not true.
edit: ok ok, do microscopic holes count? Come on.
There is always some sort of air infiltration in the room.even some of the tightest houses will still get air infiltration.
I honestly believe if there wasn't some sort of air infiltration in a totally sealed grow room it would go to shit.
Yes it would, if supplemental co2 was not used.
I do not think it takes any where near the amount of times i will recycle the air in my room..but i do it anyway.
Where do people on the space station receive fresh air? Probably from a generator of some form including the plants they have growing. Im sure they dont exchange the air every few hrs.
You ever see the guy who wore suspenders with his belt? Thats the guy that is sure his pants wont fall down.
Nope, cant say that I have
whodatnation
Well-Known Member
Absolutely!
Dont tell anyone, but we have members who only run a hundred or so watts of cfl.. Shhhhhhh
Also, we got 600 subjects and bad attitudes aint one
Flaming Pie
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Cool. I will post pics in the future of my purchase and plants. Look forward to seeing the magic!
bassman999
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I installed that TOR thing, and it made some changes and I am now having technical difficulty. Most web pages are not displaying correctly. Arghhh!!! Ill figure it out I hope.
Javadog
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Here are some new flashlight shots, taken with a day left in week #7:
This is the first shot of the OG #18 so far:
It is in the back of the tent.
LA Confidential is very pretty:
The PurpleBerry BX II is probably the most amazing thing in the tent right now:
Kosher Kush:
Headband is beautiful:
Onward and upward,
JD
This is the first shot of the OG #18 so far:
It is in the back of the tent.
LA Confidential is very pretty:
The PurpleBerry BX II is probably the most amazing thing in the tent right now:
Kosher Kush:
Headband is beautiful:
Onward and upward,
JD
bassman999
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Man that PB BX II is just sexy and delicious looking my friend!!
curious old fart
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I'm thinking of making a bubble cloner. What is the correct temp range for the water?
cof
cof
whodatnation
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So Im guessing 68f to be a good medium.I'm thinking of making a bubble cloner. What is the correct temp range for the water?
cof
bassman999
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IME colder is better. I would say 60-65*F would be a good rangeI'm thinking of making a bubble cloner. What is the correct temp range for the water?
budolskie
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few pics of my babies just had out to water its day 22 might starting adding sum boost to feed on tuesday..
1st 2 afghan kush
2nd 2 blue rhino
3rd 2 caramel ice
4th 2 critical 47
and last a shot when i put them back in the tent. will get sum of my veg room up once reppoted my pips
1st 2 afghan kush
2nd 2 blue rhino
3rd 2 caramel ice
4th 2 critical 47
and last a shot when i put them back in the tent. will get sum of my veg room up once reppoted my pips
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Garybhoy11
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been away for a while lads, but im back now, will get some info and pics up of my current goings on in due time, got a lot going on at the min, waiting on some new equipment getting delivered then my perp grow is on !!! 
GB
GB
jigfresh
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Hey guys... feel free to swing on by and help me set up my closet for this round:
https://www.rollitup.org/grow-room-design-setup/746733-vertical-led-panels-flooded-tubes.html
https://www.rollitup.org/grow-room-design-setup/746733-vertical-led-panels-flooded-tubes.html
