hatred for being an atheist

Someacdude

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http://bibviz.com/

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And again, my advise is to actually read the book.
Imagine television is only 70 years old and the net not even that, yet people believe anything they read electronically .

Its funny, i dont tell anyone else what they believe and yet here we are again.

Im out, have a wonderful day and i hope those hurt by any belief system here peace.
 

Beefbisquit

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And we have a winner, see the op was all about how so called christians hate atheism when in fact it is the other way around.

The Bible especially the greek scriptures where nothing more than a tutor leading up to the Christ or Messiah. Jesus fulfilled the Mosaic law.

The Bible is an honest historical document that hasnt failed yet, it foretold the earth was round thousands of years before Columbus.
Prophecies have been and continue to be fulfilled even today.

To understand the Bible you also need to understand civilization at that time. The scripture is honest since it reports everything good and bad that the Jewish leaders did at that time AND their punishment.
Making a arbitrary / out of context statement like that one you just made is more akin to dr k or uncle schmuck and doesnt add anything to the discussion.

It's not arbitrary or out of context. Christians in the bible behaved like petty, superstitious, cruel, misogynistic heathens. Even the WBC led by the insufferable douche bag, Fred Phelps, is tame compared to 'real Christians' of the bible.

Let's not forget the bible is an incomplete works, that was thrown together by a council because they were promised money by Emperor Constantine for uniting the Christian 'factions' or that bits of the bible were changed, or even omitted completely. Then there's the fact that none of the new testament was written first hand. It was written decades or even centuries after the facts happened. Before then, it was told by word of mouth....

So, the bible is honest? Seriously? Talking snakes, pillars of salt, parting seas, resurrection, end of days?

'Honest' is not the first word that comes to mind.


Properly read, the bible is the most potent force for atheism ever conceived. - Isaac Asimov


EDIT:
And I don't hate Christians, I just think their ideology is borderline retarded.
 

dashcues

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If the bible is any indication of what 'true Christians' were like in the past, they were x10 worse back in the day.
The same can be said for most of humanity,not just Christians.
But curious.What does the bible, concerning the New Testament,indicate of Christians at the time? Surely not that they were some powerful empire.Not yet,anyhow.
 

Samwell Seed Well

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And again, my advise is to actually read the book.
Imagine television is only 70 years old and the net not even that, yet people believe anything they read electronically .

Its funny, i dont tell anyone else what they believe and yet here we are again.

Im out, have a wonderful day and i hope those hurt by any belief system here peace.
ive read it twice, and it is exactly as hiesenburg expresses, a bunch of contradictory , indoctrinated rhetoric that anyone with cognitive process not enslaved by fear can see as a engineered way to control people looking for guidance

every story in the book can be traced to older cultures and books were constantly revised and removed as the religion progressed, only letting Christians read and accept , Books deemed ok by men, not divine right

and the fact that the book says so many unethical and immoral things to do as a christian both agiasnt non Christians and women and people of other races

i find it in contempt of peace and trust and acceptance , and their to make a small few rich and wealthy, 10% my ass, what the fuck does god need a church for when he has a book that is supposed to have all the answers

the most important figure in the new testament was missing for 17 years and the NT completely contradict on a visceral level the old testament ...im mean come on
 

Beefbisquit

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The same can be said for most of humanity,not just Christians.
But curious.What does the bible, concerning the New Testament,indicate of Christians at the time? Surely not that they were some powerful empire.Not yet,anyhow.
I agree. Yet, the rest of humanity has evolved.....

We've discovered germ theory.
We've embraced science and technology, and because of that we've exponentially increased our abilities, and our reach.
We've made huge strides in helping to curb poverty in many parts of the world.
We've eliminated capital punishment in most of the world.
These are just a few things I could think of off the top of my head, there's many more.

Yet, people still cling to this antiquated book, like it's the best thing that ever happened to the world, when it's arguably been the cause of more death and destruction than anything else, ever, in history.
 

dashcues

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I agree. Yet, the rest of humanity has evolved.....

We've discovered germ theory.
We've embraced science and technology, and because of that we've exponentially increased our abilities, and our reach.
We've made huge strides in helping to curb poverty in many parts of the world.
We've eliminated capital punishment in most of the world.
These are just a few things I could think of off the top of my head, there's many more.
And yet,Christianity has contributed to these endeavors.

Yet, people still cling to this antiquated book, like it's the best thing that ever happened to the world
, when it's arguably been the cause of more death and destruction than anything else, ever, in history.
Not even close.Though,i would like to see your source for this.
 

Beefbisquit

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How has the belief in Christ directly contributed to those things? Do scientists get in their lab coats and pray for answers? The one I might concede is poverty. There are a ton of companies giving food and bibles to starving people.

Religious wars have spanned centuries.... the most brutal and barbaric tortures were often done by religious people in the name of god. Salem witch trials? Crusades? Inquisition? 30 years war? WWII? I'm not just picking on Christians either, Islam has its bloody history (and present), too.
 

dashcues

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How has the belief in Christ directly contributed to those things? Do scientists get in their lab coats and pray for answers? The one I might concede is poverty. There are a ton of companies giving food and bibles to starving people.
Belief in Christ is inherent to Christians.A part of their attributes.All I've ever known give credit of their accomplishments to Jesus Christ.I'd wager most,if not all,would say their belief in Christ "directly contributed" to their achievements.
And Louis Pasteur was a Christian.With an education at a Jesuit University.

Speaking of the Jesuits.Their contributions are too many to list here. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Society_of_Jesus

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Christian_thinkers_in_science

Christianity is blamed for the bad its believers have done. Shouldn't it also be acknowledged for the good its believers have done?

Religious wars have spanned centuries.... the most brutal and barbaric tortures were often done by religious people in the name of god.
Wars have been fought for territories,hierarchies,freedom,etc. One thing about mankind,we know how to war.
I have no desire to compare which were more brutal.Although honestly,the descriptions of torture devices from the inquisition were some of the most horrific examples I've ever read.

Salem witch trials? Crusades? Inquisition? 30 years war? WWII? I'm not just picking on Christians either, Islam has its bloody history (and present), too.
Do you blame the whole of Christianity for these acts?
 

dashcues

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religious_war#List_of_major_religious_wars

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christianity_and_violence

Organized religion has absolutely facilitated the deaths of billions of people throughout history
Can you show me in either of the two links you posted where it says Christianity has caused billions of deaths throughout history? Not doubting you,but I can't find that amount on your links.
What I see on your first link under "List of major religious wars" is at highest 24 million and at lowest 8,130,000.
Now granted that's not all of Christianities malicious acts throughout history,but i would add that it's still quite a ways from "billions".

Disturbing to be tallying up death rates for a comparison.
 

Beefbisquit

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Belief in Christ is inherent to Christians.A part of their attributes.All I've ever known give credit of their accomplishments to Jesus Christ.I'd wager most,if not all,would say their belief in Christ "directly contributed" to their achievements.
And Louis Pasteur was a Christian.With an education at a Jesuit University.
People can claim all kinds of things. I want to see evidence on how Christianity has directly influenced scientific achievements in history. What biblical passage led to germ theory? What revealed truth has given us beneficial technology?
Speaking of the Jesuits.Their contributions are too many to list here. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Society_of_Jesus

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Christian_thinkers_in_science

Christianity is blamed for the bad its believers have done. Shouldn't it also be acknowledged for the good its believers have done?
Any good deed done by a Christian in the name of Christ, could have been done by an atheist, e.g. Charitable works. Any bad deed done by a Christian, in the name of Christ, could only have been done by another religious person, e.g. killing opposing factions, religious cleansing, torture based on religious texts, etc., ad nauseum.


Wars have been fought for territories,hierarchies,freedom,etc. One thing about mankind,we know how to war.
At least currently, the main reason to fight has usually been ideological.

Syria? Egypt? Iraq? Israel? 9/11?

I have no desire to compare which were more brutal.Although honestly,the descriptions of torture devices from the inquisition were some of the most horrific examples I've ever read.
I saw a brutal torture exhibit that was on tour across the USA. It was owned by private collectors that volunteered their antique torture devices for display. The descriptions were absolutely horrendous, and the worst of the devices were reserved for heretics, blasphemers, and people suspected of witchcraft.

Do you blame the whole of Christianity for these acts?
I blame Christianity for allowing them to happen. I blame Christianity for wearing a very clever disguise of serfdom, while at the same time being one of the richest, greediest, corrupt organizations that has ever existed. I blame Christianity for harboring criminals and enacting multitudes of cover ups for the sole reason of 'saving face'.
 

dashcues

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People can claim all kinds of things. I want to see evidence on how Christianity has directly influenced scientific achievements in history. What biblical passage led to germ theory? What revealed truth has given us beneficial technology?
Huh?
Biblical passages?Even at its inception,Christianity entailed much more than Biblical passages. Prima scriptura?
Some of the most respected universities in the world began as Christian institutions.Yale,Harvard.How is that not influential?

Any good deed done by a Christian in the name of Christ, could have been done by an atheist, e.g. Charitable works. Any bad deed done by a Christian, in the name of Christ, could only have been done by another religious person, e.g. killing opposing factions, religious cleansing, torture based on religious texts, etc., ad nauseum.
Sounds like a double standard.Christians do good,you say anyone could do it.Christians do bad,and you say only they could do it.

At least currently, the main reason to fight has usually been ideological.

Syria? Egypt? Iraq? Israel? 9/11?
I'd argue power,in all it's guises,is the main reason for war.Religion being only one facet.


I saw a brutal torture exhibit that was on tour across the USA. It was owned by private collectors that volunteered their antique torture devices for display. The descriptions were absolutely horrendous, and the worst of the devices were reserved for heretics, blasphemers, and people suspected of witchcraft.
A touring torture exhibit.How macabre!

I blame Christianity for allowing them to happen. I blame Christianity for wearing a very clever disguise of serfdom, while at the same time being one of the richest, greediest, corrupt organizations that has ever existed. I blame Christianity for harboring criminals and enacting multitudes of cover ups for the sole reason of 'saving face'.
And what of the innocent Cathars?Would you blame the victims?What about denominations that sprang up after and have nothing to do with any horrible acts you've mentioned?Are they the proverbial baby,being thrown out with the bathwater?
 

Beefbisquit

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Huh?
Biblical passages?Even at its inception,Christianity entailed much more than Biblical passages. Prima scriptura?
Some of the most respected universities in the world began as Christian institutions.Yale,Harvard.How is that not influential?
How does the founding members of a university belonging to a certain denomination have anything to do with the scientific studies and experimentation done at the university? The scientific method works independent of any religion.


Sounds like a double standard.Christians do good,you say anyone could do it.Christians do bad,and you say only they could do it.
It's not a double standard, it's a serious statement about the very nature of religious conflict. The fact that religious teachings are at their very nature, incompatible with each other. Only the 'word of god' can instill such devotion to killing other humans with such merciless resolve and contempt.


I'd argue power,in all it's guises,is the main reason for war.Religion being only one facet.
Again, the 'word of god' makes people do crazy stuff... What ideologies, other than various religions, make people believe that doing such terrible, terrible things is not only O.K., but 'divine'? What other ideologies can possibly have that kind of 'power'? Claiming to know what the maker of the universe wants people to do is pretty much the ultimate power play, and lets men do the worst things, guilt free.


A touring torture exhibit.How macabre!
It was crazy.... a lot of the pieces were from Italy... o_O


And what of the innocent Cathars?Would you blame the victims?What about denominations that sprang up after and have nothing to do with any horrible acts you've mentioned?Are they the proverbial baby,being thrown out with the bathwater?
It depends. There are so many sects and denominations it makes it hard to paint them with one stroke, but seeing as how the bible teaches misogyny, homophobia, and a slew of other things that I believe are immoral, I'd say that their starting point puts them off to a bad start.
 

Balzac89

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Outside of the nuclear and gravitational forces I highly doubt there is a higher controlling power.

But then again wtf do I know?
 

dashcues

Well-Known Member
How does the founding members of a university belonging to a certain denomination have anything to do with the scientific studies and experimentation done at the university? The scientific method works independent of any religion.




It's not a double standard, it's a serious statement about the very nature of religious conflict. The fact that religious teachings are at their very nature, incompatible with each other. Only the 'word of god' can instill such devotion to killing other humans with such merciless resolve and contempt.




Again, the 'word of god' makes people do crazy stuff... What ideologies, other than various religions, make people believe that doing such terrible, terrible things is not only O.K., but 'divine'? What other ideologies can possibly have that kind of 'power'? Claiming to know what the maker of the universe wants people to do is pretty much the ultimate power play, and lets men do the worst things, guilt free.




It was crazy.... a lot of the pieces were from Italy... o_O




It depends. There are so many sects and denominations it makes it hard to paint them with one stroke, but seeing as how the bible teaches misogyny, homophobia, and a slew of other things that I believe are immoral, I'd say that their starting point puts them off to a bad start.
Good points,Beef.
And good conversation.It's much appreciated.
I'm actually going to pause here for a second.I understand we're going off-topic from the intent of Hep's thread.From both our replies it would seem this could get "lengthy".And I do not want to continue to derail Hep's thread without his approval.
Or,we could start a new thread?
Either way,I hope to pick this up right where we're at.
 

Indicakat

Member
Amen to the above, I thank you on the many insights of Christianity, like I said, I had a lot of anger when I found out I was sick, and like I said, I grew up as an atheist raised by my grandparents and didn't know anything about Christianity until I was forced to live with my mother when she was supposedly had gotten clean from her prescription narcotic abuse, which was total bullshit, and forced into a Catholic High School, which totally screwed up the most important years of my informative growing period, from 14 years to 17 I attended, and fell like I was a total outcast. I went along with everything, after learning a couple times not to doubt anything said, by being slapped with rulers, I was punched in the gut by a nun for saying " for Jesus Christ" and when I urinated for two days I bled. I thought at that age I was wrong and didn't tell anyone bout how these nuns tortured me, so I just learned to shut up and agree with all they hAd to say. I really want to believe their is something out there greater than me, I know there is, but like I said, I just don't know what. Believe it to not, even though I am uncertain, I have prayed to God many times throughout my illness, and my husband has even said that there may be a God, you are getting better, you are responding to treatment, that may be the sign that I was looking for. It's all so confusing, I agree so much with beafbisquit, about how many people have been killed over religion? Remember the world trade series centers? Then wars were created over that, not because of payback, but for mans greed for oil! We didn't go after bin laden, we went to war with Iraq than Afghanistan all over lies about nuclear weapons, yellow cake uranium which was a lie, just a reason for our greed to get oil.
You see all through history, which is scary, because history repeats itself, all of the wars fought over religion, the crusades, there were probabably 8 to 10 of them with many people killed over the name of religion. They use religion as a pretext to make offensive war for personal profit, ie: to get land. The witch hunts in Salem, the list goes on.
I see so much hypocrisy around me, my husband's ex wife, ALWAYS says, "I'm a Christian, I would never do that", yet she is one of the most perverse, evil person I have ever met! I have tried to forgive her, but she has been divorced from my husband for over 18 years, and is still obsessed with my husband, and always makes up lies about me, she has posted on my Facebook account that I am a crack whore, which I have never even tried in my entire life, I swear. Tried snorting In my college years, but it was a short phase while in college, I was never an addict. But she used my friends info to accept her as a friend and posted so many lies that hurt me and my family. She calls my husband a rapist, that her child with him is a result of him raping and beating her, yet she had his child and married him! Yet she claims she is a Christian, goes to church like 3 times a week, and has bible studies at her house, yet she does nothing but lies and hurts people. She has sent me emails with attachments of old videos of her having sex with my husband, even sent them to my parents and my son from my previous marriage. And I see all my neighbors, I'm the outcast of the street, they seem to all go to the same church, yet on Sundays they wear their nice clothes and go to church on Sundays, and act like perfect Christians, but the rest of the week, some of them are horrible. They have stolen from us, if I leave anything in my car or my yard, it will be stolen. Now I have a security system and have had to go to court over them stealing our mail. Which had a credit card in it, and this methhead stole thousands of dollars. I am not a snitch, but it had to recover the money from my bank so I had to file a police report, even though we refused to press charges. His children then egged my house and car, so now we have cameras and a good security system.
Yet I do know some incredibly nice Christians that actually are great people, who are very kind and giving, and do live a life that the bible would approve of. I guess there are just good Christians and bad, just like aethiest, I'm sure there are some wonderful good ones, and some bad seeds like every religion I have found.
I'm sorry, I feel like I took your thread and feelings away, Hephaestus420, it was just so refreshing to see someone else, felt the same way I did. I felt guilty also, as you did with your family, it's always nice to know that you are not alone, and it has given me more insight into religion. I know Buddhism is really not a religion, but I relate to it the most for right now, and I appreciate that people here are open to others views and thoughts, even if they do not agree with them, they have a right, as we all do, thank you, first amendment for free speech!
 

Hepheastus420

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I can't believe I saw this post, because I feel exactly like you do. When I got sick from Hcv infection, I got the cancerous type through no fault of my own, I have never cheated once on my husband and I received this std through no fault of my own and have been going through horrible treatment, with horrible effects, although the blood results and pictures taken, show that my tumors are shrinking and I am responding to treatment. But I felt the same, I grew up most of my life with my grandparents, who we're practicing atheist, but at the age of 14 my mom who had drug problems, was supposedly clean and I moved in with her, and she is a total hypocritical catholic who puts me down for my views. I saw a show with Hawkins sayings there is no god, he's so damn smart I can't explain it, but it made since at the time. When I got sick, I knew their was no god because I didn't do anything wrong, I am a loyal, dedicated wife, that has has to pay a few times in the past for for my husbands mistakes, why the hell am I going through this, when I did nothing wrong, but be a good wife. I was so angry. My mom won't even speak to me when I told her to take her bs and shove it up her ass. I had a ton of anger when I found out I had cancer, especially at god, I decided their was no god, why do bad things happen to totally innocent people, children, Newtown shooting, starvation in third world country. I do believe in something higher than myself, I believe in a higher power that is greater than myself, I just have no idea who or what it is! But it does make me feel terrible that it has created a major rift between my mom and myself, we were just trying to rebuild a relationship, and now she's not even speaking to me, including my religious two sisters, they both converted to Catholicism and say I'm blastphomist, I don't know how to spell it. Sorry. Right now I'm going through a rough time and I don't even have my families support, they think I'm the devil or something because of my views. I just was happy and it saddens me that someone else is going through the same thing I am, if you know any support or how you get through it, please let me know, it does hurt like hell! Thanks for the post! I feel like I have someone I can identify with, with you!
I'm glad to hear you're responding well to the treatments. Also glad you're not depending on "god" to help you in life anymore. He really isn't much help even if he exists. What annoys me is that I can tell somebody about your problems and ask why would god do that to an innocent person and they'll reply "god works in mysterious ways". That's not true. Life (not god) works in mysterious ways. When a tornado hits a town, god isn't doing it to punish everybody, it's just a physical reaction from earth that ended up destroying some things with no intent on harming anybody.. So don't blame yourself for anything bad that goes on in your life that you can't control.

You don't have to be sad for me, I'm not sad myself. Every once in a while I feel guilt when I think of how my parents must not have much common sense since they believe in talking snakes or when I point things out to them like how there's plenty of CHILDREN burning in hell, if hell exists. Which would be true if the bible is an honest book. There's already children burning in hell. This of course saddens them, but how the hell is that MY fault? For pointing things out that are already in the bible they're supposed to follow and dedicate their lives to? Don't get mad at me, get mad at the book. I also hate how people think you are the devil because you don't believe. I've recently begun telling people to not worry about what's gonna happen to me in the afterlife. What does it matter to them? As long as I'm not hurting anybody, leave me da fuq alone! If you (not you, indicakat) believe I'm going to hell, fine! maybe I deserve it, but fuck off for now, jesus.

Again, don't be sad that we have a little more logic than the average christian. Nope, be happy. We can find happiness without a book and we won't have to worry or get mad when somebody questions our beliefs. We won't have to fear losing our faith. I'm sorry to hear your mom and sister are being dicks about this. It's what religion does to people. You have to understand she takes religion as a fact of life. Something that WILL happen. The bible tells them not to question the lord and only follow him. It tells them to try and convert people, but if they don't listen, dust off your knees and walk away (more or less). In my first post, I left some quotes from the bible (I believe they were supposed to be from jesus, can't say for sure). They show that christianity isn't here so everybody can get together and be happy.. it's here for your own personal salvation. And if anybody gets in your way, cast them aside otherwise you'll go down with them (the blasphemers, which would be you in this case). So I know it's hard because that's your very family, but if they can't love you because of your beliefs, then oh well. Just another reason why religion leaves me with an overall bad feeling.

As for support, well I came to RIU. There's VERY intelligent minds here who really can and will help if you're polite and ask. These people are actually responsible for the start of my "atheist journey". They didn't just call me a dumbass and send me on my way. They helped me get through the fear of losing my religion and facing reality for what it truly is. They also helped me to gain new views on life.. With these views, I get through the hatred brought on by religious people. Some advice would be to just not talk about religion with them at all. I've realized that you really cannot fight with a delusional person. They will fight with every bit of false logic and crappy explanations they have stored in their minds. And if you do crack them, they'll only be really depressed. So I just make myself available to anybody who wants to hear my views now. It annoys me that people can go around saying "god bless you".. but I can't go around saying "god doesn't exists" haha.. It's annoying that they can hate us and feel fine, but we feel dumb for hating anybody for their beliefs (to an extent of course). Religious people don't play a fair game, but we're forced to play by their rules.

I'm tired, so i'm sorry if I'm not making sense :) hope I helped a little, and feel free to get your support from us if you're ever down in the dumps.
 
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