Where to buy base nutrients?
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churchhaze
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I get my stuff from cropking.com
Another member here has suggested customhydronutrients.com (sorry if i got that wrong)
https://customhydronutrients.com/ze...ndex&cPath=1&zenid=bs8pkge7l0ia1fn364bem6cvb6
I highly recommend making your own nutes this way. It's soooo much cheaper.
Did you download hydrobuddy?
Another member here has suggested customhydronutrients.com (sorry if i got that wrong)
https://customhydronutrients.com/ze...ndex&cPath=1&zenid=bs8pkge7l0ia1fn364bem6cvb6
I highly recommend making your own nutes this way. It's soooo much cheaper.
Did you download hydrobuddy?
churchhaze
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Keep in mind, cropking hides their 1 and 5 lb calcium nitrate in "hydro-gro" section, not the "calcium nitrate" section.. I don't know why they don't also put it in the calcium nitrate section.
For some reason, the calcium nitrate section only sells 50 pound bags, but if you look in their "hydro-gro" section, you can find 5 pound bags of calcium nitrate for 7 dollars.
For some reason, the calcium nitrate section only sells 50 pound bags, but if you look in their "hydro-gro" section, you can find 5 pound bags of calcium nitrate for 7 dollars.
churchhaze
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I personally feel like there should be a sticky for this, but I get the feeling that without big brand nutrient companies sponsoring forums like RIU, the moderators would rather hide the truth than glorify it.
If we all made homemade nutes, so many people (like Big Mike) would lose their shirts. I always wonder if people really are willingly ignorant, or if certain "authorities" on the subject are being paid to mislead us.
Even dyna-grow is a big rip off.
Jack's hydroponics professional is the only major brand that comes close to being reasonably priced, but still doesn't come close to making your own.
If we all made homemade nutes, so many people (like Big Mike) would lose their shirts. I always wonder if people really are willingly ignorant, or if certain "authorities" on the subject are being paid to mislead us.
Even dyna-grow is a big rip off.
Jack's hydroponics professional is the only major brand that comes close to being reasonably priced, but still doesn't come close to making your own.
churchhaze
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Agree, but just as a little kid starts off with a "my chemistry set", a toy, they should grow up and "get real" at some point in their lives and actually buy real chemicals.
I've used miracle grow, shultz, GH 3 part, ionic, triflex, BC grow/bloom/boost and various other brands, hydroponic based, and for soil. At some point I just couldn't stomach paying for diluted salts anymore.
It's a matter of moving on to bigger and better things.
It's simply inexcusable to me how large greenhouse operations could use diluted bottles of liquid to produce their crops. Get real guys.
Experts shouldn't need their hands held.
I've used miracle grow, shultz, GH 3 part, ionic, triflex, BC grow/bloom/boost and various other brands, hydroponic based, and for soil. At some point I just couldn't stomach paying for diluted salts anymore.
It's a matter of moving on to bigger and better things.
It's simply inexcusable to me how large greenhouse operations could use diluted bottles of liquid to produce their crops. Get real guys.
Experts shouldn't need their hands held.
Izoc666
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how's about dry nutrient ? I dont know what kind of system you have for grow...as for myself, I grow in the soilless pots. In past i had used GH, AN, MG nutes, DG etc. I decided to buy the reduced/clearance of GH's Maxi Gro for 12 dollars lbs bag (dry nutes) From seed to harvest, by this same Maxi Gro alone and still using this Maxi Gro for a long time more than Dyna Gro for save some bucks in my wallet if thats what you re looking for ?
have to remember every growers have different program of nutrients. All you have to do is expriement. Good luck.
Stay Medicated
Yes i was referring to net weight. I am trying to use hydrobuddy to calculate my Dyna-Gro ppms but I add mls per gal and not grams so i am getting bad results with hydrobuddy.
Exactly my thinking. As soon as I'm done with my dynagro Im going to try to do homemade nutes, I currently mix ratios of the different dynagro products to acheive my N-P-Ks and other micronutrients instead of just diluting one, so it wouldn't be any less convenient for me.
how's about dry nutrient ? I dont know what kind of system you have for grow...as for myself, I grow in the soilless pots. In past i had used GH, AN, MG nutes, DG etc. I decided to buy the reduced/clearance of GH's Maxi Gro for 12 dollars lbs bag (dry nutes) From seed to harvest, by this same Maxi Gro alone and still using this Maxi Gro for a long time more than Dyna Gro for save some bucks in my wallet if thats what you re looking for ?
have to remember every growers have different program of nutrients. All you have to do is expriement. Good luck.
Stay Medicated
I thought DynaGro was cheaper than GH. But I'm trying to mix my own nutrients and not just some money.
Which salts do you guys use for your homemade nutes? I'm just going to try to replicated my Dyna-Gro mix and tweak it from there
churchhaze
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Greenhouse grade calcium nitrate from yara (double salt)
5Ca(NO[SUB]3[/SUB])[SUB]2[/SUB].NH[SUB]4[/SUB]NO[SUB]3[/SUB][SUP].[/SUP]10H[SUB]2[/SUB]O
Mono potassium phosphate
KH2PO4
Magnesium sulfate heptahydrate (epsom salts)
MgSO[SUB]4[/SUB]·7H[SUB]2[/SUB]O
Potassium nitrate
KNO3
Potassium Hydroxide
KOH
Those are the macros.
After that, you'll need something containing iron. I use iron sulfate, but chelated iron is much easier to work with in base solutions.
Download hydrobuddy if you don't already have it. It's a really great tool for making nutrient solutions.
I'm about to fall asleep now, or i'd post some specific recipes... Even experimentation without theory is enough to come up with a good mix (brute force until something works).
5Ca(NO[SUB]3[/SUB])[SUB]2[/SUB].NH[SUB]4[/SUB]NO[SUB]3[/SUB][SUP].[/SUP]10H[SUB]2[/SUB]O
Mono potassium phosphate
KH2PO4
Magnesium sulfate heptahydrate (epsom salts)
MgSO[SUB]4[/SUB]·7H[SUB]2[/SUB]O
Potassium nitrate
KNO3
Potassium Hydroxide
KOH
Those are the macros.
After that, you'll need something containing iron. I use iron sulfate, but chelated iron is much easier to work with in base solutions.
Download hydrobuddy if you don't already have it. It's a really great tool for making nutrient solutions.
I'm about to fall asleep now, or i'd post some specific recipes... Even experimentation without theory is enough to come up with a good mix (brute force until something works).
waterdawg
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Just curious but i spend $25 for a gallon of a+b so two gallons total. Im not sure i would save much as that last me approx 12 runs which is two years lol. Other than tweaking the mix would i really benefit? The guys i get it from will custom blend as well but im no were near that level yet, im just happy they dont die lol. Plants seem very happy so far!
churchhaze
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Short answer, yes. 8 dollars of my home made stuff makes approximately 200 gallons of what goes in reservoirs.
Imo, you'd save money just from realizing how pointless/overlapping products like cal-mag are.
It's worth it even if it's just to become less ignorant. (Despite what hillary clinton said, I doubt a college education on average makes us earn another million dollars over the period of our lives. It can enrich our minds, however.)
There are about 4-5 macro salts to experiment with. You can try all sorts of ratios and see how the plants react. How is this more complicated than buying 5 bottles (3 part + cal-mag + bud boost) like most people do anyway.
You literally end up with teh same challenge you had with all the bottles of supplements and shit. "how much micro should i use? how much bloom should i use? How much cal-mag should i add? Should I add more or less bloom booster?". It's the exact same thought process, but instead of "grow", you use "potassium nitrate". If anything, it makes it less complicated as the veil of propriety is removed.
Imo, you'd save money just from realizing how pointless/overlapping products like cal-mag are.
It's worth it even if it's just to become less ignorant. (Despite what hillary clinton said, I doubt a college education on average makes us earn another million dollars over the period of our lives. It can enrich our minds, however.)
There are about 4-5 macro salts to experiment with. You can try all sorts of ratios and see how the plants react. How is this more complicated than buying 5 bottles (3 part + cal-mag + bud boost) like most people do anyway.
You literally end up with teh same challenge you had with all the bottles of supplements and shit. "how much micro should i use? how much bloom should i use? How much cal-mag should i add? Should I add more or less bloom booster?". It's the exact same thought process, but instead of "grow", you use "potassium nitrate". If anything, it makes it less complicated as the veil of propriety is removed.
waterdawg
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I agree with you re additives but I have kept it pretty simple with no additives, just grow and bloom. And for the $50 bucks I spend for 2 years of nutes (both A and B included) I really doubt I will change for a bit. But am curious as to how much it could benfit the crop. I perhaps may try a few different ratios as far as the bud and bloom are concerned, as stated they will custom blend and they are local so I will be helping the economy at least lol. I guess I better start reading lol. Where it may be of benefit will be outdoors but I think organics are a better choice in soil so as not to fuck with the natural beanie's IMO. FYI never seen a bottle of calmag in my life lol.
quisqueyano
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It has the capability of benefiting the crop greatly assuming that you're making the "ideal" mix for your crop. This implies that you know your crop well enough to mix what it needs in the ratios needed throughout its life. So, basically, you'll buy a bunch of salts (by the pound) and you'll calculate the ratios you want, weigh out the amounts, and pre-prep (in bags, jars, whatever) your mixtures so you just have to scoop out the amount you're feeding. It requires more initial effort but you get the benefit of 1) being able to customize ratios on the fly instead of relying on any "additives/supplements" which may give more than what is needed (calmag+ gives you Nitrogen too for example, from the Calcium Nitrate used) and 2) not having to deal with a nutrient middleman that upcharges for the convenience of buying their premix fertilizer. So, in short, you cut out the middle man and get your nutrients from the source.
*Mineral elements or nutrients:
16 elements are required for plant growth.
- 3 elements from air and/or water: C, O, H
- 13 elements from the soil/nutrient solution:
--- Macros: N, P, K, Ca, Mg, S
--- Micros: Fe, Mn, B, Zn, Cu, Mo, Cl
The 13 essential mineral elements can be obtained in the following compounds:
MgSO4*7 H2O (Magnesium Sulfate)
KH2PO4 (Monopotassium Phosphate)
KNO3 (Potassium Nitrate)
K2SO4 (Potassium Sulfate)
Ca(NO3)2 (Calcium Nitrate)
H3BO3 (Boric Acid)
MnCl2*4H2O (Manganous Chloride)
CuCl2*2H2O) (Cupric Chloride)
MoO3 (Molybdenum trioxide)
ZnSO4*7H2O (Zinc Sulfate)
Fe 330 Chelated iron (Sprint/Sequestrene)
LIBERTYCHICKEN
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http://www.haifa-group.com/ - these guys have high quality cheap KNO3
Where is this double salt Calcium nitrate or is that just Ca(NO[SUB]3[/SUB])[SUB]2[/SUB]? I like the KOH addition you have does that keep your ph levels balanced? Do you mix your own micronutes too? I was thinking of using a micronute mix and supplementing mg with epsom salts
Lucius Vorenus
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Try the Dirty formula yet?
PetFlora
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Hey LV.
No, because my method is hydro. I only use half of small cubes to start seedlings. My medium is ornamental/river rock- small size around the seedling, with larger below for roots to climb over, below that lava rock
Come by for a look see
No, because my method is hydro. I only use half of small cubes to start seedlings. My medium is ornamental/river rock- small size around the seedling, with larger below for roots to climb over, below that lava rock
Come by for a look see
quisqueyano
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Here is a good read on fertilization and nutrient solutions. The last couple of pages explain how to calculate the amounts needed on your own. I'm not sure if hydrobuddy calculates it properly or not (you're supposed to start with Ca, then cascade down) but if you ever wanted/cared to know how, here you go.
http://ag.arizona.edu/ceac/sites/ag.arizona.edu.ceac/files/pls217nbCH10_0.pdf
http://ag.arizona.edu/ceac/sites/ag.arizona.edu.ceac/files/pls217nbCH10_0.pdf
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