President Obama Apologizes

beenthere

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He's sorry that we were stupid enough to believe him.

“I am sorry that they, you know, are finding themselves in this situation, based on assurances they got from me,” Obama said in an interview with NBC News. “We’ve got to work hard to make sure that they know we hear them and that we’re going to do everything we can to deal with folks who find themselves in a tough position as a consequence of this.”

Not once did he mention anything about his words being misleading or deceitful, he's just sorry millions of Americans don't like the fact they lost their insurance.

That's like cheating on your wife and telling her your sorry she feels betrayed.

If Obama didn't lie and was really sorry, then why not let everyone keep their healthcare if they like it.
 

burgertime2010

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Ask who benefits? Millions of Americans lost their insurance and as a result......? Who stands to profit from all this? Seriously....
 

GreatwhiteNorth

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Like it or not, Obama lied

Published: November 7, 2013
By JONAH GOLDBERG

Many of the president's supporters are in barely concealed panic over the fact that he didn't tell the truth when he was selling the Affordable Care Act.

In an oft-repeated vow, he told the country that "if you like your health care plan, you'll be able to keep your health care plan, period. No one will take it away, no matter what."

This was, by any common-sense measure, a lie. It was a lie because President Obama understood that one of the central aims of the Affordable Care Act was to squeeze out the individual insurance market (and the small business market), forcing those Americans on to the HealthCare.gov exchanges. You can't force people out of one insurance product and into another while simultaneously letting them keep their plan. That'd be like a car salesman promising a great price on a new vehicle if you trade in your old one, while still promising you can keep your old car.

This simple fact of logic is causing many liberals to flee for what they believe are rhetorical safe harbors.

The first refuge is that he was simply being "unclear." The "White House could have been clearer in laying the groundwork for this political argument," writes The Washington Post's Greg Sargent. House Minority Whip Steny Hoyer, D-Md., says, "I think we should have been more precise." The New York Times' Editorial Board says, "Obama clearly misspoke when he said that."

In most dictionaries, misspeaking is defined as a slip of the tongue. Is it really misspeaking when the president repeats a poll-tested pledge dozens of times, often reading from prepared remarks on his teleprompter, straight into the camera? Is it really a slip of the tongue when the White House puts out videos and talking points centered on this false claim?

Obama wasn't telling the truth unclearly; he was telling a falsehood very clearly. When he said "no matter what," it even left the impression that, if in some unforeseen way the law did cause people to lose their plan, he would remedy the situation. (If that were so, the White House would support congressional efforts to let people keep their plans.) The "period" in "you'll be able to keep your health care plan, period" means no ifs ands or buts. Now we are getting a barrage of "buts."

On Monday night the president grasped for a rhetorical do-over. "Now, if you had one of these plans before the Affordable Care Act came into law and you really liked that plan, what we said was you can keep it if it hasn't changed since the law passed." Except for the fact that's entirely untrue, it's pretty persuasive.

The most popular alibi is, "Yes, people are losing their plans, but they're getting better ones." The New York Times and the president have embraced this line. But even that isn't necessarily true.

Some people already know they don't think the new plans are better. In many cases, they're more expensive with higher deductibles and stiffer co-pays. Better for the consumer and better for bureaucrats or progressive social planners don't always mean the same thing.

Even if turns out to be true, as Obama insisted in Boston last week, that the majority of Americans will get better coverage than they had before, that's no rebuttal to the charge the president lied.

If a landlord promises you can keep your dog when you move into an apartment, but then after you sign the lease he takes your dog and replaces it with a stuffed one, he wasn't telling you the truth. The landlord's view that the new dog is better ("No mess! No noise!") is utterly irrelevant to the question of whether the landlord lied -- and it doesn't make you a fool for preferring your old dog, either.

It's good that liberal supporters of the law admit that what the president said wasn't true, even if they can't bring themselves to call the president a liar. But they might want to think a bit about the standard they are establishing.

Do they really want to say it's OK for presidents to lie if it is for a good cause? Surely, some presidential lies are painfully necessary. (Franklin Roosevelt lied quite a bit in the lead up to World War II.) But Obama's lies (including his promises that the Affordable Care Act would "bend the cost curve" down and that the average family would save $2,500 a year in health care costs) were in the service of partisan legislation that has never been popular.

Many liberals forgive Obama for his noble lie. I doubt they'd be as forgiving if a Republican president similarly lied to impose an unpopular partisan agenda.

Read more here: http://www.adn.com/2013/11/07/3162063/jonah-goldberg-like-it-or-not.html#storylink=cpy
 

ChesusRice

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[h=4]Jonah Goldberg[/h] Jonah Goldberg is editor-at-large of National Review Online,and the author of the forthcoming book The Tyranny of Clichés. You can reach him via Twitter @JonahNRO.
 

GreatwhiteNorth

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[h=4]Jonah Goldberg[/h] Jonah Goldberg is editor-at-large of National Review Online,and the author of the forthcoming book The Tyranny of Clichés. You can reach him via Twitter @JonahNRO.
Even if Capt. Kangaroo wrote the article, he still has a very valid point that remains unaddressed.
 

Dr Kynes

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Jonah Goldberg

Jonah Goldberg is editor-at-large of National Review Online,and the author of the forthcoming book The Tyranny of Clichés. You can reach him via Twitter @JonahNRO.
ZOMG!! he is an author, and he writes for publications which publish similar viewpoints and not the opposing positions????

wow he must be entirely untrustworthy.

just like another author who publishes his works through outlets who dont publish any of the works by the opposition...

 

nitro harley

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What lie?
Did Obama cause the insurance companys to cancel the policys? They decided to do that when they didnt have to.
Cheezy...

I got Dumped by the state, I can't even get mad at the Ins company really...I wish I could of kept my policy, but I am being herded to the exchange....kinda like when they told people to get on the train...ObamaTrain....
 

SirGreenThumb

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I say Impeach that lying piece of shit........But lets wait until I get signed up....
You would rather Joe Biden to be the president?
What lie?
Did Obama cause the insurance companys to cancel the policys? They decided to do that when they didnt have to.
“The Departments’ mid-range estimate is that 66 percent of small employer plans and 45 percent of large employer plans will relinquish their grandfather status by the end of 2013,” wrote the administration on page 34,552 of the Register. All in all, more than half of employer-sponsored plans will lose their “grandfather status” and become illegal. According to the Congressional Budget Office, 156 million Americans—more than half the population—was covered by employer-sponsored insurance in 2013.
93 million isn't that much, right?

So yea.. I would say he did.
 

beenthere

New Member
What lie?
Did Obama cause the insurance companys to cancel the policys? They decided to do that when they didnt have to.
In fact he did and he did it on purpose. The only way for Obamacare to work is if 70% of private insurance plans outside the exchange get cancelled and those people move onto the government exchange.


None of this should come as a shock to the Obama administration. The law states that policies in effect as of March 23, 2010 will be “grandfathered,” meaning consumers can keep those policies even though they don’t meet requirements of the new health care law. But the Department of Health and Human Services then wrote regulations that narrowed that provision, by saying that if any part of a policy was significantly changed since that date -- the deductible, co-pay, or benefits, for example -- the policy would not be grandfathered.

Buried in Obamacare regulations from July 2010 is an estimate that because of normal turnover in the individual insurance market, “40 to 67 percent” of customers will not be able to keep their policy. And because many policies will have been changed since the key date, “the percentage of individual market policies losing grandfather status in a given year exceeds the 40 to 67 percent range.”
That means the administration knew that more than 40 to 67 percent of those in the individual market would not be able to keep their plans, even if they liked them. http://investigations.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/10/28/21213547-obama-admin-knew-millions-could-not-keep-their-health-insurance?lite
 

GreatwhiteNorth

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It's a proven fact that the current administration had to know this was going to happen. Period.

"if you like your health care plan, you'll be able to keep your health care plan, period. No one will take it away, no matter what."
 

UncleBuck

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I am being herded to the exchange....kinda like when they told people to get on the train...
now you're comparing buying healthcare to the holocaust?

this must be one of those right wing threads started by a right winger and populated by right wing retards making retarded claims and complaints.
 

Samwell Seed Well

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It's a proven fact that the current administration had to know this was going to happen. Period.

"if you like your health care plan, you'll be able to keep your health care plan, period. No one will take it away, no matter what."
maybe he will say that no "one " is taking it away, many are ...lol
 

beenthere

New Member
so the number kicked off has gone from 100,00 to 900,000 to 3.5 million to 5 million then suddenly to 80 million and now to 93 million?

you retards should probably bother to better coordinate your propaganda campaigns next time. this evolving number of yours is worse than the exchange rollout by leagues.
The total enrollment went from 50 million to 15 million down to 500 thousand then to 70 thousand and now we know it was only 6 the first day.

No run along before you get bitch slapped again.
 

ChesusRice

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Cheezy...

I got Dumped by the state, I can't even get mad at the Ins company really...I wish I could of kept my policy, but I am being herded to the exchange....kinda like when they told people to get on the train...ObamaTrain....
Yes let us know how that turns out since you dont seem to be willing to even put in an application
 
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