What if Joe didn't have insurance? now it is just another bill at the end of the month no matter how good of deal he is going to get...Now I got a good deal but I have something to compare it to, and Joe might not. It could just be another Bill to pay with money he may not have. That is one thing BarryO and the Dems pet project didn't figure out and that was to look into how much money people have in there savings, and the amount of debt they have and see if everybody had the extra money to get health care...I got a good deal at 493.00 per month and that is down from 580.00, but some people might think that is a lot....In Oregon if joe makes less that 9500.00 he will be golden and more than likely hang with the Dems. We will see what happens..