Hear Ye- Hear Ye LED Tubes + HH Spray 2.0 + BrandX Seeds

[PetFlora]

Here's a note on my magnet experiments

I placed the incoming water tube to my RO inside a set of magnets in repulsion with large chrome nut between (which forces magnets to attract to the nut)

Product water had consistently been 30 ppm , now steady 20 ppm

This article explains why

http://theimploder.com/sites/theimploder.com/files/magnetic-water-treatment-reduces-scaling.pdf

 

[rippn13]

Isn't energy an amazing thing? Listened to an interesting speech on the Pyramids today. Got me thinking a little more about magnetizing water. Not sure how much it can help but it sounds like it can't hurt.

 

[PetFlora]

My sentiment exactly. There are so many things now considered normal to grow mj that were once considered ridiculous, but for some reason magnetics is repulsive (pun intended)

Search YT for 'structured water, & vortex water. I combine both for all my cooking and drinking water as well

The technology to move the large rocks used to build the pyramids and numerous structures around the world (see Coral Castle) utilized resonance frequencies to lift and move them

 

[PetFlora]

2 down, one to go.

Melanie finally has the space to herself

Clones doing extremely well

When I took them, each had small buds, which I pinched.

Pinching resulted in 3 bifurcating

The 2 tallest clones are from Melanie, the monster mother, whose canopy covers ~ 90% of a 2 x 4 space

Pic 2 & 3 are of plant number 2, which I pulled this morning

Also, Melanie (pic 4/5/6) is growing in a ONE LITER Air Pot, which is inside a 4 liter, but the 4 liter AP is only to stabilize the 6" Hydro Halo Drip Rings

 

[PetFlora]

Pics sans primary leafs of plant # 2 (she has been on the far right) she got more light than plant 3 on the far left.

 

[PSUAGRO.]

So pet, when are going to retire your HO-T5 panel(s)??..........you still have a good supply of bulbs? I'm disgusted at how fast all my T5's endcaps(electrodes) degrade. Florasuns went the fastest and all my "whites" are done too now(8 months). I think induction spoiled me and HO ballasts push these T5 bulbs too hard IMO.


nice fluoro buds btw^^^^

 

[PetFlora]

I was going to replace the hot5s with led tubes, but now that 1 x 4, 2 x 2 and 2 x 4 panels are available, I'm leaning in that direction.

Thanks for pointing out that hot5s do not last as long as advertised, but, I still got a pretty decent buds/yield in spite of my bulbs having 4 grows on them. I never got cloudy or amber trics under 432w. I think ~ 600 fluro-watts is needed for that

I am a bit up in the air what to use next, as I am in anticipation of the new A51, just not sure when, so I may need to replace a few hot5s to finish the new fast growing clones, two of which are from Melanie and both are bifurcated. I will keep the blue hot5s in longer to keep stretch to a minimum. I made the mistake of adding reds too soon

I think 2 x 4 @ 4000-5000K panel leds (~ 60w) will give the induction a run for its' money. If need be I will add a couple 1 x 4 panels up high, for a total of 120w evenly dispersed over the entire canopy . That option is on the table, too.

http://www.atgelectronics.com/lighting/Illumination/LEDTroffer/ECO-Panel.html

Also, did you see the warehouse led thread? 2 of those should be killer.

So pet, when are going to retire your HO-T5 panel(s)??..........you still have a good supply of bulbs? I'm disgusted at how fast all my T5's endcaps(electrodes) degrade. Florasuns went the fastest and all my "whites" are done too now(8 months). I think induction spoiled me and HO ballasts push these T5 bulbs too hard IMO.


nice fluoro buds btw^^^^

 

[Chronikool]

I think 2 x 4 4000-5000K panel leds (~ 200w) will give the induction a run for its' money.

I would like to see that....

It depends a lot on the diodes 'under the hood'....Not all 4000-5000k LEDs are created equal (as you know)

Have you got a sample of those flat panels yet? Werent you and your partner starting a business with them...?

Are we going to see the 5050 tubes in action again....?

I like asking you questions.....

 

[PetFlora]

At least they're not the dumb noob questions like the PM I got today "What does F & D mean?" Then had the balls to get mad at me when I responded he needs to buy some books on the subject before asking such questions

Yes, it depends on the diodes, BUT, even the el cheapos have 80 CRI + 100 lpw, and thanks to improvements in thermal conductivity can be run hotter yet last longer

I've been relying on my partner to front the cost. Looks like we will be ordering tomorrow

I am actually supplementing the 2 ufos I got from A 51 with one led tube @ ~ 18w -3000 and one 5000. I could add 2 more 3000K, but the clones are in a DIY shallow bubbler tote in a 5' tent. The ufo hanging wires are long, so not a lot of head room.

Fortunately, Melanie from my hot5 tent will be done in a couple more days, so I can move the clones in there, but not for long as the 2 Melanies will dominate the light

I don't want to get much deeper into panel testing as I will also be busy launching the commercial led retrofit lighting biz, which I expect to put me in the field- away from the plants

I would like to see that....

It depends a lot on the diodes 'under the hood'....Not all 4000-5000k LEDs are created equal (as you know)

Have you got a sample of those flat panels yet? Werent you and your partner starting a business with them...?

Are we going to see the 5050 tubes in action again....?

I like asking you questions.....

 

[Chronikool]

I've been relying on my partner to front the cost. Looks like we will be ordering tomorrow

Ok...so these are samples i hope...? Get one in your hot little hands 1st....

So you have done your research....got all the details.....tucked in your shirt to your pants.....the very last thing is to order....So next question:

What are the specs...?

 

[PetFlora]

See the link I posted in my reply to PSUAGRO

I was responding at the same time you posted, so you missed it.

Ok...so these are samples i hope...? Get one in your hot little hands 1st....

So you have done your research....got all the details.....tucked in your shirt to your pants.....the very last thing is to order....So next question:

What are the specs...?

 

[Chronikool]

Thanks....so i looked at their PDF...(the 2 x 4 right?)

The type of 'SMD' they use is not listed...(not surprizing)....so find it out....quite an important piece of information they have missed....if they are using 3528's...i would look elsewhere. 5050's or 5630's/5730's...are acceptable in my eyes...

 

[Chronikool]

Like i said....get a sample.....break it open....do your own tests....hell post some photos up here....we will take a look at it for you

 

[PetFlora]

You do realize that those a simply dimensions of each diode, right? The designation has nothing to do with binning, or difference in quality

Thanks....so i looked at their PDF...(the 2 x 4 right?)

The type of 'SMD' they use is not listed...(not surprizing)....so find it out....quite an important piece of information they have missed....if they are using 3528's...i would look elsewhere. 5050's or 5630's/5730's...are acceptable in my eyes...

 

[PSUAGRO.]

Is it true that they make t8 led retrofit bulbs that DON'T need to bypass the ballast now? Because that makes them way more enticing.

Yeah t8 last about 3x times longer before replacement than ho t5 from my experience. Even regular t5 bulbs seem to have a greater longevity, but I haven't tried those bulbs from home depot. maybe my next purchase, wattage difference is around 6 Watts......18 vs 24w on the two foot. But then the issue arises if the HO ballast will properly run them....shit

From my understanding t5ho bulbs will run fine with a regular t5 ballast but what about vice versa? Maybe just try one and see because the pricing is real good on the regular t5 bulbs and locally available.idk might just toss the panels and switch to something else for my culinary herbs/plants.

My only concern about those high bay led fixtures pet is failure.their heavy (return shipping $) and don't seem like can be taken apart easily by the consumer for part replacement.And will the Chinese honor the 5 year warranty?

 

[Chronikool]

You do realize that those a simply dimensions of each diode, right? The designation has nothing to do with binning, or difference in quality

Yes...i was the one who told you this... and while this is true....it also has to do with surface area of the light emitted....not to mention the number of chips in each....5050's typically have 3...whilst 5630's/5730's have 1...(much stronger bigger chip) and the 3528's have 1 (medium intensity) There are also a few others....

 

[PetFlora]

One minute YT video that should become viral

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=idxoMDVJ4Fw

 

[PetFlora]

Perhaps one of the most important articles you can read

(Thanks to baseball8008 + Scotch089)

Calcium and Magnesium: Beyond the Obvious
by Richard Gellert


http://www.maximumyield.com/article_...eatureVar=true

EXCERPT:

Calcium, magnesium and potassium live in a delicate balance within plants. Too much of one will inhibit the other two. Finally, calcium is a co-factor in many enzymatic reactions. Its presence is needed to turn an enzyme on or off and allow it to catalyze a reaction.

#2 Calcium and magnesium are also the most abundant minerals in tap water. The majority of the PPM, or EC reading, you obtain from a measuring device is cal-mag. The most typical form of these minerals in your untreated water is calcium carbonate and magnesium carbonate. Unfortunately, contrary to popular belief, these forms are virtually unusable by plants, especially fast growing plants.

 

[PetFlora]

Hmmm, I wonder...

Reading through the Cal Mg article MAY HAVE provided a clue to why I do not get cloudy or amber trics

During the last 2 weeks I begin flushing using ever lower amounts of V+B, which means lower amounts of CaMg

Earlier this week, and prior to reading the article, I actually started adding 'some' Botanicare's CaMg (easily 3 year old bottle)

Since I mix nutes into RO water (~ 20ppm) and since I can buy fresh CaMg to better control ppms, think I will replace the RO formula of V+B with their tap water formula


That may mean more micros in the jars

Anybody?

 

[PetFlora]

Most of Melanie developed new tops to the colas, but this one had all red pistils, so I chopped and trimmed.

Lots more where this came from

Also a pic of the 4 clones. I turned the tote to better light the plants. The 2 small phenos are now up front