Fast-Food Workers Strike, Protest For Higher Pay

Dr Kynes

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I realize they were trying to compensate these workers and build protections in, but really what happened is they doomed them to only 40 hours a week, and now everyone held to that figure has to devise their own plan on how to produce enough income in that amount of time to make ends meet.
true.

too true.

but it beats the previous situation. calif's labour laws were so useless and toothless i often wound up working 16 hour shifts, (it's two shifts back to back, so fuck you and get back on the line) 10 day weeks (it's two different calendar weeks so fuck you and get back on the line!) and shift schedules drawn in pencil so you could be summoned in like you were a doctor on-call.
 

Red1966

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in california there is. under law. every hour after 8 is overtime. every hour over 40 in a calendar week, overtime. worked 5 shifts straight without a day off? shift #6 is overtime. it's clearly stated in the state mandated "labour laws and your rights" poster every employer must hang in a conspicuous place. and while it's not perfect, and does limit flexibility for some employees, it does a lot to stop the predation of the employers which was so severe even non-union employees got together for this shit. edit: ohh yeah, and also, there must be at least 8 hours off between two shifts or they count as One Long OT Shift.
Specific to California. Not Federal law. In Ohio, they must pay you for 4 hours if you are scheduled to come in but they send you home after you show up. Again, local, but not Federal.
 

spandy

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true.

too true.

but it beats the previous situation. calif's labour laws were so useless and toothless i often wound up working 16 hour shifts, (it's two shifts back to back, so fuck you and get back on the line) 10 day weeks (it's two different calendar weeks so fuck you and get back on the line!) and shift schedules drawn in pencil so you could be summoned in like you were a doctor on-call.
Sounds like they had a good idea and everyone swallowed it, and then poop came out.

But like you said, better than before.
 

UncleBuck

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if you can't afford to support a child 100% without government assistance, you shouldn't be breeding.
why don't you ever say that to flaming pie and her beautiful bouncing baby, delivered with thanks to medicaid and nourished with thanks to food stamps?

remember, she is a republican too. go get at it! tell her what an "urban welfare rat" she is, champion!
 

NoDrama

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I just saw this picture, and I literally blew a snot bubble I laughed so hard.



And for the teagaggers preparing to respond with an explanation as to why this is, remember that you will only be speaking in hypothetical anecdotes and assumptions.
Likewise trying to argue that it will be cheaper and more easily afforded means you will also be speaking in hypotheticals and assumptions.
 

Rob Roy

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it has ever been thus.

but it's still better than collectivism, anarchy or marxism
You don't know what anarchy is and have it confused with what occurs today. Anarchy does not automatically mean "chaos", oh peanut butter and jelly head.

You think in the absence of a central authority there is automatically chaos or a "warlord" will appear and make everybody obey him, which is an unproven conclusion. In the presence of a central authority that derives its authority from coercive measures the boogie man you fear, the coercion driven warlord is already here. The system you champion is a form of collectivism, yet you never acknowledge it.

Please no smurfs in any rebuttal attempts. I'm a little smurfed out.
 

Dr Kynes

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You don't know what anarchy is and have it confused with what occurs today. Anarchy does not automatically mean "chaos", oh peanut butter and jelly head.

You think in the absence of a central authority there is automatically chaos or a "warlord" will appear and make everybody obey him, which is an unproven conclusion. In the presence of a central authority that derives its authority from coercive measures the boogie man you fear, the coercion driven warlord is already here. The system you champion is a form of collectivism, yet you never acknowledge it.

Please no smurfs in any rebuttal attempts. I'm a little smurfed out.
anarchy IS chaos.

i have decided to accept the term "anarchism" as a functionaldescrition for various anti-authoritarian movements, but it is still a poor choice, since actual real easily understood ANARCHY is in fact chaos and the collapse of all social structure.

if you wish to argue that various forms of "Anarchism" can achieve social stability without resulting in "Anarchy" and the collapse of all society, i find that dubious at best, but i will listen.

every social system has SOME collectivism within it's structure. thats the nature of social interaction.
when collectivism goes to far it becomes tyranny, just as individualism, when taken to the extreme becomes Anarchy (real Fallout 3 type, not "anarchism")

it's a balancing act, and too mich liberty or too little is disastrous, just as too much doe eyed innocent communism, or too much unrestrained selfish greed results in disaster.
 

Hazydat620

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winner winner chicken dinner!

man you sure can pick em.

hey, how about the Worker's Paradise of north korea? that shit is really crackin!
You really have no clue do you, Keep drinking the Kool aid that they're are selling you. Funny people still think there is something great about the U.S., that we are the best country in the world and our way of doing things is the best way,what a joke, pure arrogance.
 

Rob Roy

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anarchy IS chaos.

i have decided to accept the term "anarchism" as a functionaldescrition for various anti-authoritarian movements, but it is still a poor choice, since actual real easily understood ANARCHY is in fact chaos and the collapse of all social structure.

if you wish to argue that various forms of "Anarchism" can achieve social stability without resulting in "Anarchy" and the collapse of all society, i find that dubious at best, but i will listen.

every social system has SOME collectivism within it's structure. thats the nature of social interaction.
when collectivism goes to far it becomes tyranny, just as individualism, when taken to the extreme becomes Anarchy (real Fallout 3 type, not "anarchism")

it's a balancing act, and too mich liberty or too little is disastrous, just as too much doe eyed innocent communism, or too much unrestrained selfish greed results in disaster.

No, coercive governments that only infringe "a little bit" are not a balancing act. There is a definitive line. All people have the right of peaceful self determination. Yet, NO people have the right to undermine or infringe anyone else. That is the divide.

When another person, group of people calling themselves your leader, etc. attempt to shift the line to make initiating aggression against a peaceful person a "lawful act" or some other form of rationalization, the line is crossed. Collectivism is not the problem, coercion as a default of ANY system is the problem. People that voluntarily agree to form collectives are not committing aggressive acts as long as the door in, includes a door out.

The USA by default does not allow for a peaceful person to opt out,and it NEVER DID, all are included, like it or not. You cannot have too much liberty if you are respecting the liberty of others. The USA does not abide by this, there is no escaping this simple fact, regardless of how many good smurf stories you can come up with.

Greed alone is a vice, not a crime. If you fill yourself up with cake until you burst there has been no crime or disaster that concerns others, it's your business. It is only when the ruler(s), individual or a collective, tells you what kind or whether you can have the cake that there is a crime and a disaster.
 

Dr Kynes

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No, you said overtime wasn't required before Cali changed their laws. It was. Federal labor law was enforced in all states.
in california overtime was based solely on the federally mandated 40 hour week, but the legalisms involved allowed a "week" to become a useless term. tuesday through friday the next week was a 10 day work week with no days off and thus no overtime because there was only one monday in the mix.

it happened a lot.

schedules were drafted so each individual could be worn to the nub with back to back shifts (two shifts, no OT! lol) shifts that started at 9 pm and ended at 8 am (there was a midnight in there so it's not in the same day! no OT! lol) and a thousand other shenanigans.

california's working stiffs had to fight for legislation to re-codify the circumvented intent of the laws, which were clumsily drawn and easily abused, but it removed a great deal of flexibility which SOME really liked, which is unfortunate.
 

Dr Kynes

Well-Known Member
No, coercive governments that only infringe "a little bit" are not a balancing act. There is a definitive line. All people have the right of peaceful self determination. Yet, NO people have the right to undermine or infringe anyone else. That is the divide.

When another person, group of people calling themselves your leader, etc. attempt to shift the line to make initiating aggression against a peaceful person a "lawful act" or some other form of rationalization, the line is crossed. Collectivism is not the problem, coercion as a default of ANY system is the problem. People that voluntarily agree to form collectives are not committing aggressive acts as long as the door in, includes a door out.

The USA by default does not allow for a peaceful person to opt out,and it NEVER DID, all are included, like it or not. You cannot have too much liberty if you are respecting the liberty of others. The USA does not abide by this, there is no escaping this simple fact, regardless of how many good smurf stories you can come up with.

Greed alone is a vice, not a crime. If you fill yourself up with cake until you burst there has been no crime or disaster that concerns others, it's your business. It is only when the ruler, individual or a collective tells you what kind or whether you can have the cake that there is a crime and a disaster.
and thus you crash into the brick wall of utopianism, which fails every time it is attempted because IT DOES NOT WORK.

in a perfect world with perfect people, sure, maximum liberty, fuck government, lets all do what we love and shit will magically work out!

it never works.
 
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