my b+ shroom grow

MadDog607

MadDog607

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Please stop opening your tub to look inside. This is why they are probably tamming. I line my tubs with a plastic bag and fill the tub with sub and colonized grain. Then i put tinfoil as close to the top of the sub grain mix as possible. wrap the sides of the plastic bag with the tinfoil. Poke some holes in the tinfoil and cover them with micro pore tape. Wait 10-12 days before opening it to case. If your sub is good it should be 100% colonized by then. Then and only then should you case it. Only after it is 100%. After you case it you can open it to mist and fan 3X per day for 2-3 minutes. When in fruiting drop the temp to about 68-70 degrees. This will make the shrooms grow slower and they will be chock full of psilocybin. Otherwise your shrooms will be light in weight and less potent.
 
canndo

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Cool temps are not a primary trigger for cubes. It is, rather, an orchestrator. I have never seen evidence that low temps or slow growth improves potency, after a certain stage, the fruit does not add cells, the spped of growth is as a result of the already existing cells swelling. There have been experiments where addition of certain analogs to the substrate will increase the mushrooms potency bit those chemicals are expensive. I never saw much point in increasing potency of something that grows in such profusion anyway. Why go through the trouble when eating just another gram on top of the 4 you ate will effectively increase your potency by 20 percent?
 
MadDog607

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canndo said:
Cool temps are not a primary trigger for cubes. It is, rather, an orchestrator. I have never seen evidence that low temps or slow growth improves potency, after a certain stage, the fruit does not add cells, the spped of growth is as a result of the already existing cells swelling. There have been experiments where addition of certain analogs to the substrate will increase the mushrooms potency bit those chemicals are expensive. I never saw much point in increasing potency of something that grows in such profusion anyway. Why go through the trouble when eating just another gram on top of the 4 you ate will effectively increase your potency by 20 percent?
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I agree it is not a trigger for fruiting. I have grown in warm temps and cooler temps. Warmer temps caused the stipes to be hollow weighing much less than the cooler temps which had dense meaty stipes. There was definitely a difference in potency too.

As far as why go through all the trouble? I try to grow the best. Whether it's shrooms or watermelons. I'm def not gonna half ass it with growing weed. I mean you can grow weed with the same profusion, but would you think the same about that? I'm not in it to grow mids. I wanna grow some dank ass shit. I guess for me it's all or nothing.
 
canndo

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MadDog607 said:
I agree it is not a trigger for fruiting. I have grown in warm temps and cooler temps. Warmer temps caused the stipes to be hollow weighing much less than the cooler temps which had dense meaty stipes. There was definitely a difference in potency too.

As far as why go through all the trouble? I try to grow the best. Whether it's shrooms or watermelons. I'm def not gonna half ass it with growing weed. I mean you can grow weed with the same profusion, but would you think the same about that? I'm not in it to grow mids. I wanna grow some dank ass shit. I guess for me it's all or nothing.
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I see a point in that sort of perfection, my attempts were always perfection in pin set, as you may be able to see in some of the pics in the link I posted, depending upon the genetics to give me the potency I expected. I am not faulting you at all for your approach. After all, the difference in time is only a few days anyway.
 
MadDog607

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canndo said:
I see a point in that sort of perfection, my attempts were always perfection in pin set, as you may be able to see in some of the pics in the link I posted, depending upon the genetics to give me the potency I expected. I am not faulting you at all for your approach. After all, the difference in time is only a few days anyway.
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I saw those. They look very nice. Yeah, the extra days are only a few. Except for the PE variety. Those guys take forever no matter what. My pinset haven't been as good as other grows. Mainly cuz i was doing no mist/fan teks. I'm definitely going back to misting and fanning though. It's a little more work but pinset is much better
 
canndo

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MadDog607 said:
I saw those. They look very nice. Yeah, the extra days are only a few. Except for the PE variety. Those guys take forever no matter what. My pinset haven't been as good as other grows. Mainly cuz i was doing no mist/fan teks. I'm definitely going back to misting and fanning though. It's a little more work but pinset is much better
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the grows in those pictures were neither fanned nor misted.
 
canndo

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Forced pressure pre conditioned air flowing into a semi sealed container. Use a plenum and then pump the mixture into the chamber at a rate 4 times the capacity of that container per hour.
. Position your vent in such a way as to evacuate as much co2 laden air as possible, taking into account the propensity of co2 to be heavy. Make sure there are no points of direct air flow over the sobstrate but also ensure there are no areas of stagnant air. This calls for large conduit or small conduit that has holes the agrigate being 1.5 to 2 times the inside diameter of that conduit.
 
canndo

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I no longer grow anything but legal varieties, the others no longer present a challenge, lighting varies but I used to use 12 watt tube fluressent (I think 12, maybe 8). This ensured no border breaks, no side pins and a controlled set as all light eminated from the top only.
 
MadDog607

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If that works for you, great. I think you may be making it more complicated than it needs to be though.
I got this from a no mist/fan tek. aa+ complete.jpg Just some strategically placed 1"sq holes filled with poly-fil. Seal it up set it and forget it.
This is a pic of one of the holes with a shroomie trying to escape aa+poking out.jpg. Easy peasy japanesey.
 
canndo

canndo

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Weren't you the one who said that you tended to try to do the very best you could at what you were doing? growing mushrooms slowly in order to evoke a bit more potency? 80 percent of your yield comes from the first two flushes. Continuing flushes risk contamination for little reward, the best thing you can do is to encourage the best pin sets possible as early as possible. My methods allow variable exchange rates, variable rh rates and even directed temperature control all without continual monitoring, that results in ultra dense pinsets and few aborts. As you can see in my sticky - I believe in simplicity but that isn't where prefection lies.

this This is why you case is the result.
 
canndo

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Kodaxx said:
Good luck, looking good!
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That pic is years old, as I said, I am more interested in shaggy manes (much harder to grow), and oyster - as easy except when you try to grow on palm fronds, which is the point. In my area the blue ones are best and they are dependent upon proper air exchange - otherwise they come out thin and malformed.
 
MadDog607

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canndo said:
Weren't you the one who said that you tended to try to do the very best you could at what you were doing? growing mushrooms slowly in order to evoke a bit more potency? 80 percent of your yield comes from the first two flushes. Continuing flushes risk contamination for little reward, the best thing you can do is to encourage the best pin sets possible as early as possible. My methods allow variable exchange rates, variable rh rates and even directed temperature control all without continual monitoring, that results in ultra dense pinsets and few aborts. As you can see in my sticky - I believe in simplicity but that isn't where prefection lies.

this This is why you case is the result.
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I do aim for perfection. I was trying a new tek. I may keep trying till i get it it perfect. Otherwise misting and fanning gets me just as good of pinsets without all that bullshit. Hey if it works for you which it looks like it does then that is great. I'm just saying this is how i do it without all the reverse gravity machines and flux capacitors. Keep an open mind. There is more than one way to skin a cat. I can tell you learned how to grow shroomies a long time ago and you have been doing this for a long time. But there are new teks that aren't as difficult. Sorry to say but some of the stuff you mention has been debunked and is not practiced by many anymore.
 
canndo

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MadDog607 said:
I do aim for perfection. I was trying a new tek. I may keep trying till i get it it perfect. Otherwise misting and fanning gets me just as good of pinsets without all that bullshit. Hey if it works for you which it looks like it does then that is great. I'm just saying this is how i do it without all the reverse gravity machines and flux capacitors. Keep an open mind. There is more than one way to skin a cat. I can tell you learned how to grow shroomies a long time ago and you have been doing this for a long time. But there are new teks that aren't as difficult. Sorry to say but some of the stuff you mention has been debunked and is not practiced by many anymore.
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Right. if the fruit comes up, you did it right, period. growing P. Cubensis is very forgiving and there are mulitiple approaches to perfection with that species. I got particular when I started encountering more demnanding species and applied them to this one just..... because. I do not claim that mine is the only way, obviously it is not. I do not claim mine is the best way but it is in my opinion the one that most parallels the requirements of the organism. The things I mentioned tend to give me the most yield and the heaviest and most orchestrated pinset. I have knowingly lived with mycelium and microculture for 40 years, trying different things, applying different techniques.

Put it this way - a lafh is not necessary, neither is a simple glovebox but those "flux capacitors" sure make things easier.


And, what I told you was theory, not practice. In practice you can make a positive pressure system with preconditioning plenum for about $150 bucks and a few hours assembly. You asked.

In truth I dont know of any of my tequniques that have been "debunked", but I am open to learning new things, What things specificly are you refering to?
 
canndo

canndo

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Here is the straight dope (this is not for you obviously).

temperature changes are not necesary
casing is not necessary
air exchanges are not necessary
misting is not necesary
monoculture is not necessary
darkness is not necessary


But all of them tend to optimize yield.


Have I left anything out?
 
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