Canadian Seal hunt controversy

[kelly4]

I would infuse their fat with thc. Mmmmmm seal fat high...awesome!

 

[schuylaar]

There already is a limited season. It's extremely regulated.

Relocation isn't fixing the problem, we already destroyed a lot of the natural predators of the seal. Introducing them to a new area that doesn't have predators is on;y going to produce a problem in two areas.

then it would have to be some sort of birth control..ie; through a food drop or rounding them up and administering birth control through skin..but i definitely believe that would be the best way without hurting them.

 

[Beefbisquit]

then it would have to be some sort of birth control..ie; through a food drop or rounding them up and administering birth control through skin..but i definitely believe that would be the best way without hurting them.

I don't think the cost of such an adventure would make it worth it. Tracking them, catching them, medicating them, and watching how the medication affets the ecosystem is incredibly demanding and not worth the effort, IMO.

The solution is to maintain a certain stock of harp seal.

 

[heckler73]

then it would have to be some sort of birth control..ie; through a food drop or rounding them up and administering birth control through skin..but i definitely believe that would be the best way without hurting them.

Do you not eat meat? Don't get so emotionally attached...they are part of the food chain, and their numbers are causing serious disruptions. The damn Polar Bears aren't able to feed on them fast enough. In essence, the predator-prey equation has gotten completely out of whack (pun intended).

Do you love Coyotes and Wild Boars, too? Those have to be culled out here in BC every so often, especially the boars, because they destroy crops with ravenous abandon.
It's like fish stocks, except in that case we need to preserve. It's all part of a delicate balance in the eco-system. So if it needs to be done, then one might as well learn to use the "refuse" like the First Nations.

 

[kelly4]

Global warming... AAHHHHH, RUN!!!!

 

[Dr Kynes]

can't they relocate some of them?..i really hate to kill them..perhaps a limited season?

yeah move those marine mammals to kansas...

 

[Dr Kynes]

No one kills little baby, white, seal pups. It's illegal.

Only non-white coat seals are killed.

wait, are we sure this isnt racist?

 

[echelon1k1]

IMO, there's no controversy. The seals need to be culled. There is massive over population and they are decimating fish stocks. No one is killing baby seals, that's illegal and highly enforced. All this bullshit celebrity hysteria mongering is just that, hysteria mongering.

Idiots... fucking Paul McCartney, Ellen DeGeneres, Pamela Anderson and a slew of other morons seem to be championing the cause.

There is not scientific justification for the hunt and Cod only make up 3% of a seals diet. Your opinion should be taken with a grain of salt considering your backwards and barbaric attitudes towards K9s - specifically docking and clipping.

 

[Dr Kynes]

then it would have to be some sort of birth control..ie; through a food drop or rounding them up and administering birth control through skin..but i definitely believe that would be the best way without hurting them.

no matter how much we throw at Planned Parenthood, they just arent using the condoms.

need moar seal abortion clinics and a targeted ad campaign to keep those darker coloured seal numbers down, so we can have more glorious white seals, who advance seal society and ensure the continuation of the noble seal species

margaret sanger still sounds racist as fuck even when talking about seals...

 

[Dr Kynes]

There is not scientific justification for the hunt and Cod only make up 3% of a seals diet. Your opinion should be taken with a grain of salt considering your backwards and barbaric attitudes towards K9s - specifically docking and clipping.

shhhh...

the left is starting to get on board with the idea of Resource Management instead of luddite prohibitions and moonbat crazy conservation schemes.

even if this shit is a dumb idea, and seals are not overpopulated, let em have this one.

the seals can take one more for the team bro.

 

[Beefbisquit]

There is not scientific justification for the hunt and Cod only make up 3% of a seals diet. Your opinion should be taken with a grain of salt considering your backwards and barbaric attitudes towards K9s - specifically docking and clipping.

I said that dobermans and other hunting/fighting dogs had a historical reason to not have their left 'as is'. Presently, docking ears is used as a method for giving guard dogs an advantage, e.g. 5 degree sound cone instead of 20 degree sound cone. I neither supported nor denounced the practice. I also stated that some vets believe docking ears reduces the risk of infection for some breeds.

It doesn't matter what I posted either way, there's a crowd here (on both sides), that YOU'RE PART OF that just attacks anything that they view as something the 'opposite side' is posting. Someone could post an article about how cell phones cause traffic accidents and within 10 posts it would completely denigrate into, "You fucking lefty faggots are all emotional pieces of shit", and "You conservative, racist pieces of shit are money grubbing tyrants".

There are 7 million more harp seals now then there were 30 years ago, and on average each on eats 1.5-2 tons of fish per year. That's 10.5 to 14 million tons of fish, per year. It's certainly not all cod, but it doesn't matter. Due to the lack of predators, the population is growing and isn't being kept in check by anything. Are you suggesting that vermin populations should be left unchecked as well just because they're not eating the same source as food as we are?

Over population leads to starvation as well; can't say that's a very humane way to die.

 

[schuylaar]

I said that dobermans and other hunting/fighting dogs had a historical reason to not have their left 'as is'. Presently, docking ears is used as a method for giving guard dogs an advantage, e.g. 5 degree sound cone instead of 20 degree sound cone. I neither supported nor denounced the practice. I also stated that some vets believe docking ears reduces the risk of infection for some breeds.

It doesn't matter what I posted either way, there's a crowd here (on both sides), that YOU'RE PART OF that just attacks anything that they view as something the 'opposite side' is posting. Someone could post an article about how cell phones cause traffic accidents and within 10 posts it would completely denigrate into, "You fucking lefty faggots are all emotional pieces of shit", and "You conservative, racist pieces of shit are money grubbing tyrants".

There are 7 million more harp seals now then there were 30 years ago, and on average each on eats 1.5-2 tons of fish per year. That's 10.5 to 14 million tons of fish, per year. It's certainly not all cod, but it doesn't matter. Due to the lack of predators, the population is growing and isn't being kept in check by anything. Are you suggesting that vermin populations should be left unchecked as well just because they're not eating the same source as food as we are?

Over population leads to starvation as well; can't say that's a very humane way to die.

add predators

 

[Beefbisquit]

shhhh...

the left is starting to get on board with the idea of Resource Management instead of luddite prohibitions and moonbat crazy conservation schemes.

I'm a hunter and fisherman. Been on board with wildlife conservation since I was about 4 years old. Yes, killing animals is part of conservation.

even if this shit is a dumb idea, and seals are not overpopulated, let em have this one.

the seals can take one more for the team bro.

Dumb idea to sustain a local culture and population? Or to practice sustainable harvesting techniques? Or practice humane killing on animals that have had a chance for a 'free-life', and the ability to live as nature intended instead of being penned-up?

 

[Beefbisquit]

add predators

Are you suggesting that in order to combat the broken ecosystem we break it further by introducing invasive species, that in turn, also wouldn't have any predators?

Also, we did introduce predators. Us.

 

[Beefbisquit]

Field and stream posted these numbers for white-tailed deer killed in each state;

Virginia: 253,678
Missouri: 283,253
Washington: 35,118
Oklahoma: 111,427
Georgia: 350,715
California: 16,941
South Carolina: 248,778
New Jersey, ~56000
New York: 222,979
Pennsylvania: 335,850


There were ~7,000 seals killed last year. Put that into perspective.

 

[echelon1k1]

I said that dobermans and other hunting/fighting dogs had a historical reason to not have their left 'as is'. Presently, docking ears is used as a method for giving guard dogs an advantage, e.g. 5 degree sound cone instead of 20 degree sound cone. I neither supported nor denounced the practice. I also stated that some vets believe docking ears reduces the risk of infection for some breeds.

It doesn't matter what I posted either way, there's a crowd here (on both sides), that YOU'RE PART OF that just attacks anything that they view as something the 'opposite side' is posting. Someone could post an article about how cell phones cause traffic accidents and within 10 posts it would completely denigrate into, "You fucking lefty faggots are all emotional pieces of shit", and "You conservative, racist pieces of shit are money grubbing tyrants".

There are 7 million more harp seals now then there were 30 years ago, and on average each on eats 1.5-2 tons of fish per year. That's 10.5 to 14 million tons of fish, per year. It's certainly not all cod, but it doesn't matter. Due to the lack of predators, the population is growing and isn't being kept in check by anything. Are you suggesting that vermin populations should be left unchecked as well just because they're not eating the same source as food as we are?

Over population leads to starvation as well; can't say that's a very humane way to die.

So we should kill the seals because the area still hasn't recovered from the overfishing that killed the northern cod?

I've yet to see any peer reviewed papers justifying the quotas. http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/prince-edward-island/scientist-wants-25-reduction-in-harp-seal-quota-1.1003746

 

[Dr Kynes]

I'm a hunter and fisherman. Been on board with wildlife conservation since I was about 4 years old. Yes, killing animals is part of conservation.



Dumb idea to sustain a local culture and population? Or to practice sustainable harvesting techniques? Or practice humane killing on animals that have had a chance for a 'free-life', and the ability to live as nature intended instead of being penned-up?

i didint say it IS a dumb idea, im saying "Even if it turns out to be bullshit... ...Seals can take another one for the team"

it took 20 years and several massive crownfires for the CDF to convince the tree huggers that carefully regulated timbering and brush removal was a good idea, and sometimes you gotta let a small fire burn, so you dont get big ones later.

even if the seal census is wrong, if a few seals gotta die, well it's all in a good cause.

 

[Beefbisquit]

i didint say it IS a dumb idea, im saying "Even if it turns out to be bullshit... ...Seals can take another one for the team"

it took 20 years and several massive crownfires for the CDF to convince the tree huggers that carefully regulated timbering and brush removal was a good idea, and sometimes you gotta let a small fire burn, so you dont get big ones later.

even if the seal census is wrong, if a few seals gotta die, well it's all in a good cause.

What I don't understand is how anyone can boycott Canadian seafood because of the seal hunt, but utilize factory slaughtered beef/poultry/pork.

 

[CC Dobbs]

IMO, there's no controversy. The seals need to be culled. There is massive over population and they are decimating fish stocks. No one is killing baby seals, that's illegal and highly enforced. All this bullshit celebrity hysteria mongering is just that, hysteria mongering.

Idiots... fucking Paul McCartney, Ellen DeGeneres, Pamela Anderson and a slew of other morons seem to be championing the cause.

I say fuck Paul McCartney too. Love take me down to the streets, Oh yea.

 

[CC Dobbs]

Field and stream posted these numbers for white-tailed deer killed in each state;

Virginia: 253,678
Missouri: 283,253
Washington: 35,118
Oklahoma: 111,427
Georgia: 350,715
California: 16,941
South Carolina: 248,778
New Jersey, ~56000
New York: 222,979
Pennsylvania: 335,850


There were ~7,000 seals killed last year. Put that into perspective.

Although your numbers are beyond question, one thing that you don't mention is that deer are vegetarians and seals eat take-out. If we kill too many seals then the natural order of fast food will be thrown out of balance and my burger will get cold. The U.S. Constitution clearly states that it is my unalienable right to a god-damned warm burger, mother-fucker.