Paul Ryan (R-WI) guts billions from veteran's benefits

[abandonconflict]

I'd beat the crap out of them in a debate. My academic credentials are far superior.

You're losing this debate. Clearly your credentials are worthless.

 

[tokeprep]

Deciphering...

"no offense, but I think people like you are dumb. If that insults you it isn't because I meant it as an insult. It insults you because you're dumb."

That's what this is really about. You seem to think I said that all soldiers are idiots. That's never what I meant.

 

[abandonconflict]

You're not smarter than me. Your typical bumper sticker post is devoid of logic and argument.

Not only am I smarter than you, I have the courage to put myself in harm's way.

 

[Pinworm]

I'd like to know what kind of risks you take at work Tokeprep (with all those credentials of yours). Does it involve being shot, or blown up?

 

[abandonconflict]

That's what this is really about. You seem to think I said that all soldiers are idiots. That's never what I meant.

That is exactly what you meant. Now go back and move the goal posts again by saying you only meant combat arms troops and only the ones who died.

 

[tokeprep]

You're losing this debate. Clearly your credentials are worthless.

I would say you're losing. You never showed that people in the military were "smart," which is what you've been arguing. You keep telling us it takes intelligence to be a soldier, which I've never disputed. My statement about soldiers being dumb is a relative one; it doesn't deny that they're intelligent, it makes a comparison to other groups of people.

 

[tokeprep]

I'd like to know what kind of risks you take at work Tokeprep (with all those credentials of yours). Does it involve being shot, or blown up?

I wouldn't risk my life like that. I have far too much to offer the world.

 

[Pinworm]

I wouldn't risk my life like that. I have far too much to offer the world.

So, by your earlier logic....where you said "Wealth is compensation for risk" ......you should NOT be compensated for your efforts?

 

[abandonconflict]

I would say you're losing. You never showed that people in the military were "smart," which is what you've been arguing. You keep telling us it takes intelligence to be a soldier, which I've never disputed. My statement about soldiers being dumb is a relative one; it doesn't deny that they're intelligent, it makes a comparison to other groups of people.

So by redefinition of the word dumb, you were saying something totally different from what you've actually conveyed and therefore you're winning the debate.

Do they speak English in what?

 

[tokeprep]

That is exactly what you meant. Now go back and move the goal posts again by saying you only meant combat arms troops and only the ones who died.

Except it's really not what I meant. It's really not! There's nothing I can say at this point that's going to convince you of that because you're convinced you know what I meant.

 

[abandonconflict]

I wouldn't risk my life like that. I have far too much to offer the world.

Social Darwinism isn't much to offer.

 

[abandonconflict]

Except it's really not what I meant. It's really not!

Cool story bro.

 

[tokeprep]

So, by your earlier logic....where you said "Wealth is compensation for risk" ......you should NOT be compensated for your efforts?

That was about financial risk. Disparate things.

 

[abandonconflict]

The army has the lowest ASVAB score requirement and they waive people in at levels substantially below the stated requirement. The vast majority of the casualties in the last 10 years are from the army.

However, smarter recruits end up in more dangerous jobs.

 

[tokeprep]

So by redefinition of the word dumb, you were saying something totally different from what you've actually conveyed and therefore you're winning the debate.

Do they speak English in what?

I'm not redefining any words. Saying they're not as smart as people going to college is not the same as calling them retarded.

 

[abandonconflict]

I would say you're losing. You never showed that people in the military were "smart," which is what you've been arguing. You keep telling us it takes intelligence to be a soldier, which I've never disputed. My statement about soldiers being dumb is a relative one; it doesn't deny that they're intelligent, it makes a comparison to other groups of people.

No, I'm arguing that combat arms troops are smarter on average than pogues. I never denied that most members of the army are dumber than a bag of hammers. This is evident through out the thread whereas your argument relies on a special definition of dumb in order to explicate.

 

[tokeprep]

However, smarter recruits end up in more dangerous jobs.

So what? A "smarter recruit" isn't necessarily very bright either.

I'm not trying to insult you or call you dumb. I know legitimately smart people who were enlisted.

 

[Pinworm]

If you don't understand the difference, you must be dumb...

I understand the difference. I, however, do not understand why you feel the need to keep re-arranging your stance, and dancing around questions.

 

[abandonconflict]

I'm not redefining any words. Saying they're not as smart as people going to college is not the same as calling them retarded.

I'm calling you retarded.

 

[tokeprep]

No, I'm arguing that combat arms troops are smarter on average than pogues. I never denied that most members of the army are dumber than a bag of hammers. This is evident through out the thread whereas your argument relies on a special definition of dumb in order to explicate.

But that doesn't mean anything, because my original point was about the military versus non-military.