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UncleBuck

UncleBuck

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The Earth rotates around the Sun once every 365 days. Buck and I came up with that.

woops, wrong account.
 
nevyn

nevyn

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I have been trying to tell him that since I came onto RIU, but well what the fack do I know, I am a South African right, we all as dumb as shit apparently.
 
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beenthere

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nevyn said:
I have been trying to tell him that since I came onto RIU, but well what the fack do I know, I am a South African right, we all as dumb as shit apparently.
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I wish we could send all the dumb fuck lefties to one of the two countries, which ever it is, I'll be sure to be in the other!
 
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BigNBushy

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UncleBuck said:
did obama inherit W's average deficit, or his actual, record setting, $1.5 trillion dollar deficit?

no tea party protests though.
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One does not inherit a deficit.

President A passes budget his last year in office.

President B comes in, gets chance to pass a new budget.

Since a deficit is expenses minus revenues, and we typically do pass a budget every year, no one president can bind another with a deficit.

If Obama had a deficit in his first year, its because he chose it.

Now, he can inherit an economy, a war, or a debt, but not a deficit.

You fail so hard so often, all your followers are either sockpuppets, or you send them large amounts of weed in the mail to just like your posts and write down their very well thought out bumper sticker slogans.
 
travisw

travisw

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BigNBushy said:
One does not inherit a deficit.

President A passes budget his last year in office.

President B comes in, gets chance to pass a new budget.

Since a deficit is expenses minus revenues, and we typically do pass a budget every year, no one president can bind another with a deficit.

If Obama had a deficit in his first year, its because he chose it.

Now, he can inherit an economy, a war, or a debt, but not a deficit.

You fail so hard so often, all your followers are either sockpuppets, or you send them large amounts of weed in the mail to just like your posts and write down their very well thought out bumper sticker slogans.
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I forget whether I am a sockpuppet or not but if I can get free weed behind something as meaningless as a like, let me know where to send my address.
 
UncleBuck

UncleBuck

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BigNBushy said:
One does not inherit a deficit.

President A passes budget his last year in office.

President B comes in, gets chance to pass a new budget.

Since a deficit is expenses minus revenues, and we typically do pass a budget every year, no one president can bind another with a deficit.

If Obama had a deficit in his first year, its because he chose it.

Now, he can inherit an economy, a war, or a debt, but not a deficit.

You fail so hard so often, all your followers are either sockpuppets, or you send them large amounts of weed in the mail to just like your posts and write down their very well thought out bumper sticker slogans.
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budgets are structural, and presidents don't pass budgets. they sign or veto what they get from congress. their influence is limited to the bully pulpit.

not surprising you can't understand this concept.
 
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BigNBushy

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UncleBuck said:
budgets are structural, and presidents don't pass budgets. they sign or veto what they get from congress. their influence is limited to the bully pulpit.

not surprising you can't understand this concept.
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I'm sorry did you say they choose to sign a bill thus making it law, then say they have very little to do with the passing of a budget? Good choice going with one paragraph there for your two sentences. Although, I didnt think that much fail could be placed into one paragraph.
 
UncleBuck

UncleBuck

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BigNBushy said:
I'm sorry did you say they choose to sign a bill thus making it law, then say they have very little to do with the passing of a budget? Good choice going with one paragraph there for your two sentences. Although, I didnt think that much fail could be placed into one paragraph.
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i noticed how you didn't address how budgets are structural, and thus inherited.

if i give my neighbor my house with all the same lights and plants as i have now, his budget for nutes and soil and water and electric will be about the same as mine is now. if he makes up his own tighter budget ignoring the structure in place, either plants will die or lights will turn off or bugs will invade because he cut neem out.

since america 2008 and america 2009 are basically the same structure, the budget can't go down to zero willy nilly without plants dying (people starving because no more food stamps) or lights turning off (this one stays the same) or bugs invading (infrastructure crumbling).

and although the president may be able to present a budget and has a veto stamp, it is ultimately congress that decides and the president who settles for the best budget he can get. the president doesn't get to write the budget itself.

if i wanted to be lectured by a subway employee, i'd take a shit on the bathroom floor and then report that i did so.
 
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BigNBushy

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UncleBuck said:
i noticed how you didn't address how budgets are structural, and thus inherited.

if i give my neighbor my house with all the same lights and plants as i have now, his budget for nutes and soil and water and electric will be about the same as mine is now. if he makes up his own tighter budget ignoring the structure in place, either plants will die or lights will turn off or bugs will invade because he cut neem out.

since america 2008 and america 2009 are basically the same structure, the budget can't go down to zero willy nilly without plants dying (people starving because no more food stamps) or lights turning off (this one stays the same) or bugs invading (infrastructure crumbling).

and although the president may be able to present a budget and has a veto stamp, it is ultimately congress that decides and the president who settles for the best budget he can get. the president doesn't get to write the budget itself.

if i wanted to be lectured by a subway employee, i'd take a shit on the bathroom floor and then report that i did so.
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That might be true, but the simple fact remains that if they want to do it, it will be done. There was a pretty big structure change between 1994 and 1995. Kennedy did some big changes in the budget, as did Reagan.

Obama is just comfortable with bog deficits. For whatever reason his deficit has been shrinking. But the cbo and the white house both expect the deficit to skyrocket again in the coming years. From 08 to 09 he might have had to put up with bush's structure, but he has his own now, and he is building it bigger.
 
UncleBuck

UncleBuck

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BigNBushy said:
That might be true, but the simple fact remains that if they want to do it, it will be done.
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how? the bully pulpit is not that powerful, political capital is rare and must be spent wisely.

besides, it's unwise to exercise overly contractionary policy during the rebound from a recession, even mitt romney said so. the budget is shrinking under obama as fast as it is wise to make it shrink.

i'm tired of handing out basic lessons to subway employees.
 
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BigNBushy

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UncleBuck said:
how? the bully pulpit is not that powerful, political capital is rare and must be spent wisely.

besides, it's unwise to exercise overly contractionary policy during the rebound from a recession, even mitt romney said so. the budget is shrinking under obama as fast as it is wise to make it shrink.

i'm tired of handing out basic lessons to subway employees.
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I mean, I'm just trying to figure out how Clinton had all this power to balance the budget, yet Obama don't have enough power and it's largely in the hands of the (Republican) congress.

Care to explain? Or are you just giving too much credit to one democrat for a good thing, or blaming republicans in congress for the ineptitude of another democrat?
 
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BigNBushy

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If you look at W's deficits, they spiked in 03 and 04, then steadily started reducing and was getting close to balanced until the 09 budget. His last one. TARP and all that.

Even Obama predicts his deficits are about to go way way up. Maybe Obamacare? Seriously, they have been trending down, but the cbo and white house think they will be going way back up, what for?
 
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