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  1. collective gardener

    STAY AWAY FROM LED's!!!!!

    I'd rather not get into a pissing contest with you. If being "open minded" means I have to purchase and try every LED out there before I can claim that I'm not quite ready to switch, well, I'm sad to say, I cannot afford to be "open minded". What exactly is it that I'm being closed minded about...
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    20,000 Watt Medical Grow Op Construction

    I do marine engineering. Basically, outfit, refit, and maintain ocean going vessels. We just did a major re-fit on a long liner and I had to go out on the first trip to work any bugs out. Pretty boring, though. Good thing we have internet onboard. We were out about 800 miles on this trip. The...
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    Selling to the club?

    I vend to one guy that owns 12 dispensaries in so cal. He hasn't heard anything from anyone. It's business as usual there. He's real straight laced with his deals, though. All payments are checks written out to my collective's name, and followed by a big fat 1099 each year. It's a pain in the...
  4. collective gardener

    20,000 Watt Medical Grow Op Construction

    I know exactly what you speak of. AN pulled that shit with my local hydro shop, too. They put up a little Bad Ass display in the corner. Of the 2 or 3 Bad Ass units that sold, half came back within a month. My hydro shop owner passed that info on to AN, along with notice that they would no...
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    STAY AWAY FROM LED's!!!!!

    I don't have to test them all. That's the LED maker's job. And, you can bet your ass that if there was an LED light that could IN ALL WAYS compete with an HPS, the maker of that light would have platered the test all over the web. When "The Light" is developed, we will all know it in no...
  6. collective gardener

    20,000 Watt Medical Grow Op Construction

    OK OK...I give up. I'll throw it all away tomorrow...and the plants fed with it. Down with AN. How DARE you play the runny makeup card?
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    STAY AWAY FROM LED's!!!!!

    Currently 20k of HID. Actually, at the momment, 18k...a couple of veg lights are not being used. I'm hoping, some day, god willing, with luck, and some breakthroughs, to be replacing it all with LED's, induction, or some combination of the 2. My hopes would be to cutt the wattage to around...
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    20,000 Watt Medical Grow Op Construction

    It was just a matter of time before you came charging in the door, chainsaw in hand. Why do you think I said I was dreading this topic. I'm between a rock and a hard place. I have a huge yield from AN in one hand, and my best online growing buddy, Kitty, on the other. What's a motherfucker to do?
  9. collective gardener

    STAY AWAY FROM LED's!!!!!

    Before the price can come down, alot more LED's will have to be produced. Before alot more are produced, alot more growers have to want to buy them. Before alot more growers want to buy them they have to be able to really compete with 1000 watt HPS's. I believe California Lightworks is on the...
  10. collective gardener

    STAY AWAY FROM LED's!!!!!

    Talk to Clonex. His new Senior Growing Manager is second to none. He will know exactly what to do.
  11. collective gardener

    STAY AWAY FROM LED's!!!!!

    You're a shrewd man, Clonex. You got me good. I don't even want to ask what kind of compensation package it took to get your hands on talent like that. I have a feeling that hiring him probably means I'll be working for you in a year or so. With him as your Senior Growing Manager, worldwide...
  12. collective gardener

    STAY AWAY FROM LED's!!!!!

    I'm with Clonex. You clearly put some thought into that response. Now that I know your opinion, any thoughts of eventually using LED are out the door. I mean, shit, if you say they suck...they suck. Thanks for sharing your vast range of growing experience with us. On another subject. Would you...
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    STAY AWAY FROM LED's!!!!!

    That's why I was suggesting a baseline of the 1000 watt HPS. What if you assigned a penepar rating of 100 to a 1000 watt HPS burning a Horti, and then worked off of that? I'm just thinking so many of us know what a 1000 watt HPS will do in the real world. But, it's your baby...your call.
  14. collective gardener

    20,000 Watt Medical Grow Op Construction

    Yup. That was my thought, as well. I mean, I know the Connoiseur did it. The question is, is there some secret sauce in the Connoiseur that's not in the Sensi. I have 36 plants put into bloom on the 3rd. We'll be finding out in about a week if I fucked up in switching to Sensi. I was still very...
  15. collective gardener

    20,000 Watt Medical Grow Op Construction

    I've always felt that if you're not growing live soil organic, there's no need for carbs to feed a microherd that isn't there. This is the same reason I wouldn't use AN's Pirahna, Tarantula, and any other bio's in the line. I have tried to mix chem nutes with myco's, fungi, and bacterias (along...
  16. collective gardener

    STAY AWAY FROM LED's!!!!!

    The Penepar rating should be expressed as a percentage relative to a known light...like an HPS burning a Hortilux bulb. This is BY FAR the most popular growing settup, and many people are well aware of what that can do. Penepar can be what percentage a selected light can do relative to a 1000...
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    20,000 Watt Medical Grow Op Construction

    Post whatever pics u like.
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    STAY AWAY FROM LED's!!!!!

    First off, I don't think any of us are threatened by new tech. Quite the opposite. Many of us are very hopefull that one day LED can truly compete with current HID technology. You need to realize that new isn't always better. LED definately has the potential to be better, but 90% of the LED's...
  19. collective gardener

    Stand up to the Government! are you with me?

    When you think about it, California has been kicking ass in the weed business LONG before 215. There's still a HUGE black market in place. They could close every single dispensary tomorrow, and I promise, not one person will go without their weed. I have all my old black market contacts, as does...
  20. collective gardener

    20,000 Watt Medical Grow Op Construction

    I've been avoiding this topic like the plague. A couple months ago I decided to try Advanced Nutrients. My local Hydro store gave me a buttload of the stuff to try out. Now, let me be clear, I am not a fan of that company. I think alot of what they say is BS, my good friend MellowKitty has...
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