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Hold on to that blind Faith mighty hps growers it's gotta be the magic in the arc that can only grow mj edit:i have nothing to prove to anyone i proved it to myself and that's the big hang up anybody who had tried both is sold if that isn't a little hint hint idk what is

just trying to give you some help maybe you can stop smelling my ass and get an opinion of your own and i would never apologies to you but I'll tell you too suck it again

he's made it very clear he doesn't understand numbers and won't answer any of the questions that reflect his claims even if i wasn't pro cob id consider it now cuz Darth dork hasn't proved shit besides "mines bigger then yours"and his one god to rule them all philosophy (i mean his magical...

science and hard numbers maybe. ..or you can blindly follow what people insist is the right thing with no actual evidence just because they say so kinda like a religion hmm. ..

unbiased? Have you used a cob? What makes the de so much better then a regular 1k?and newer better tech why spend money on it now when it already exists o that's right you'll never do it put up or shut up and what's y your company so i can tell everyone to stay away from this arrogant guy

yet 3 600w would smash 2 1000w

they can and do work but nicer bulbs are obviously better let's see you talk about something relevant to our lights and not whatever vids you can pull off youtube

you do realize you just explained why de is better and your numbers are way off as usual i hope you feel stupid o and you still haven't read the datasheets either huh?

this is a big part of what i don't get it's seems you and Darth just want to come start shit neither of you have taken the chance to read any of the stuff that was presented to you then you have people first hand experience with these lights and you still got to belittle them for agreeing with...

so if you missed it by chance cuz i know you have a hard time reading this is part of why the de was recommended you have to source parts and man hours for a diy but I'd look into a bulk led wholesaler and a big chunk of aluminum and build a grow room out of it like i beams or thick sheets of...

i think the even distribution of light is important too you can get Vero 29 and kinda push them and still get great results and cut start up costs even if your not hitting 40% i started with a couple at 1.8 amps with great results

so pretty much you read none of the stuff that was offered to you before why do you even come back?

i kinda wondered about this as i don't own any Cree yet but just looking at hue of light seems like a dangerous game i imagine that they can have similar ratios of output while being visibly different

It's been expressed several times the similarities between 4000 Vero and 3000 Cree but I've scored some 3500 Vero that'll I'll be flowering next. Originally i had 2700 mixed with 4000 at 1:2 with good results still less stretchy then my ushio setup

do you have any air circulation on the light? like a fan

i didn't care much for running my uvb all day i was always afraid of doing more damage then good

I thought it worked for me i waited until after my plants put on the bulk then the last couple weeks I'd switch it i figured it had something to do with a full spectrum i also let my plants go for a long time

hes an old dog who refuses to learn new tricks he doesn't even acknowledge how much it's all changed a lot more people are doing this now and a lot of these people have great background that contribute to advancements but he's stuck in his ways

12 or not he's proven that's to complicated of a concept for himself

yeah but his attitude sucks he didn't read anything the led crowd gave him either he refuses to learn or by open to new stuff he'll just watch crappy youtube videos that aren't relevant then argue the same shit again