1 tent, 1200w, 9 strains, 19 plants and HUNDREDS OF PHOTOS!

These are day 45 and I'm expecting this to go about 63 so I'll probably start flushing soon, whattya think? I recognize there's a bit of yellowing up top, but I was guessing that was from being right in the middle, in between those two lights about a foot away. The temps are fine, just maybe too much PAR and they're bleaching (?)




So with the yellowing and the little bit of P deficiency I've noticed on many plants' lower leaves -- is it possible I might need less of a flush, and to continue feeding until the end of week 8 or so?

What is your soil mix? That looks like mild Mag def. If you weren't so close to finish, I'd suggest a shot of epsom salts, but I wouldn't do that this late.

I'd just let it ride & maybe give them a shot of Molasses.

Good luck bro

peace
doublejj
P.S. Have you checked out my carport grow?

Looking forward to seeing your final yield man. Know a guy that just started that has a simular setup. Good growin man.

Maybe I missed it. Seen where you said you had some issues with stretching cuz of over crowding? how big is the grow area for the 19?

Midwest Toker said:

Maybe I missed it. Seen where you said you had some issues with stretching cuz of over crowding? how big is the grow area for the 19?

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infrared said:

So I'm dumb. But getting smarter, thanks to help from some experienced growers.

I had the great fortune to speak with dirrtyd over the weekend and he helped me understand how trying to cram in so many colas in such a small area forced my plants to stretch in an attempt to compensate for poor penetration. It's obviously too late to change this now and I've made a bunch of extra trimming work for myself not to mention the potential (likely?) loss of yield, and a lesson in how much experienced growers can help.

This was the main flaw with the journal from the 'start': I tried to do a big catchup, which was boring to both me and readers, and it resulted in me not documenting this when it could have been fixed in early veg. So thanks again, D, and here's a few looks into my tent on flower day 43:

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Is that a 4x4 tent? Cant really tell from the pic.

Midwest Toker said:

Is that a 4x4 tent? Cant really tell from the pic.

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infrared said:

I believe I can fit 16 plants in the 5x5 DR 150. So that leaves seven more spots for grow number two; how will I fill them?

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doublejj said:

What is your soil mix? That looks like mild Mag def. If you weren't so close to finish, I'd suggest a shot of epsom salts, but I wouldn't do that this late.

I'd just let it ride & maybe give them a shot of Molasses.

Good luck bro

peace
doublejj
P.S. Have you checked out my carport grow?

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Ok good to know. I can't get my M.arijuana Plant Saver book cos it's in the garden room right now and it'll be dark for a few hours, but I want to blame it on the book and say mine looks slightly different than how it's depicted therein. But now that you say this, I do remember a pic someone had done that's floating around here that shows a few mag def and cal def leaves side by side for comparison. ::searches bookmarks::
Ok, I saved this a little while back
https://www.rollitup.org/marijuana-plant-problems/478300-comparison-nute-burn-calmag-defieciency.html
This is where I got confused. The intraveinal yellowing seems more pronounced in these images whereas mine seem more uniformly chlorotic?

Plants are in a 2:1 of Ocean Forest and Light Warrior. I feed with every watering, most recently about 800ppms including a little over 1tsp CaMg+ per gallon plus roughly the same amount of unsulfured molasses. These are 3 gallon Smart Pots and I end up watering them each about a half gallon every other day.

And yep, I read quite a bit of it earlier this afternoon, am up to page 26. I logged in specifically to 'like' a post you made somewhere in there; something about spreading good karma

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rofl

Have you gotten to my soil mix yet? Maybe you could try the Ocean Forest/Happy frog mix?

Good luck bro,

peace
doublejj

doublejj said:

Have you gotten to my soil mix yet? Maybe you could try the Ocean Forest/Happy frog mix?

Good luck bro,

peace
doublejj

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I made it up to about page 50 by the end of last evening but we lost power around here today and it blanked all my open Chrome tabs, so I'll have to figure out where I'm at for this evening's reading. Watching those things get so much bigger across the first few videos is amazing; I can't wait to give outdoor/greenhouse growing a shot ::crosses fingers for 2012::

Seeing your truck full of worm castings is a really helpful thing for a visual learner like me. It's as if you expanded my imagination's vocabulary to where it's easier to imagine myself having that same kind of success, now that I get a look at what goes into it.

With the magnesium thing, I've been feeding a little over 1tsp/gal for a while after having done exactly 1tsp for a bit longer. The bottle says 2tsp is a 'heavy feeding', and I was scared and wanted to stay on the safe side because I overfed my plants last time in early flower, and came to realize the recommended doses are actually quite high. I do this 'light feeding' with every watering; should I bump it up to 1.5 or even 2tsp/gal until flush?

The more I think about it, the more it seems that they could use more Mg, cos they most definitely need(ed) more P . . .



I took some shots of the Romulan yesterday, Day 45. I clearly should have fed these more bloom foods (clear P deficiency). I've bumped those up over the past couple waterings, but that in combination with this one being at the back of the tent, behind a plant that was blocking much of its light, has resulted in much smaller buds, even compared to last cycle's plant that ended up looking just like those effed up 707HBs I posted earlier in the thread.

So I moved some things in the tent around and I think this will help with penetration. Here's a look at the canopy just before week 7 ends:

Those are looking great bro. You should get a nice yield from that
If you have room for a 10'x20' carport, we will get you hooked-up.

peace
doublejj

doublejj said:

Those are looking great bro. You should get a nice yield from that
If you have room for a 10'x20' carport, we will get you hooked-up.

peace
doublejj

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I'm planning to move soon so I can find a place to accommodate that. Hopefully I'll find one and get settled in just in time to start my 3rd cycle journal in the new garden

Speaking of the carport, doublejj, I started a thread about rental property managers and it's gotten me thinking about a bunch of new angles.

I assume you own your home; is it even possible for me to pull off a greenhouse grow like that on a rental property? I see that your neighbors couldn't see into yours, but I'm concerned about inspections or even just a maintenance guy asking what's in my greenhouse out back, etc.

The cool thing about the carport greenhouse is it really don't look like a "greenhouse". It looks like a carport. If you look around your neighborhood, I'll bet you'll see several carports. They are a common sight in my area. You cannot see into the carport except up really close.
You will smell it well before you can see it!lol!
They would have no reason to inspect anything inside your carport!
If you can, look for a place in an outlying area away from neighbors.

Good luck bro

peace
doublejj
P.S. Can you make it to FDD's next Thur?

Ah, that makes total sense. The place I'm looking at has a garage and backyard, but no place I could reasonably claim 'carport', so I'm thinking an outdoor grow might be out of the question for 2012.

I'll have to see if I can get away from work on Thurs (usually tied up 9am-noon), so I can get over there at a reasonable time. Looks like y'all are arriving fairly early and it's about 2 hours from my house over to SR, so it'll be a tight squeeze. I'd love to come, and am absolutely going to be in attendance for the April event. I headed down to chill with justadude420 at his place this weekend . . . already beat you guys to the punch when it comes to a BBQ reunion

When the lights come on in about an hour, that'll be the start of Day 57 of flower. With my last watering on Day 55, I began to flush the Romulan and Confidential Cheese plants, using a tablespoon of molasses in a gallon of 6.5pH water. The other plants are getting more CaMg+, Tiger Bloom and ChaChing, somewhere north of 900ppms with each watering.

Here's the Confidential Cheese:




Some P deficiency; this is one of my main foci for next cycle so that I maximize my yield and keep the leaves greener, longer.




These tops look pretty good, almost ripe, but just a couple inches lower, most of the hairs are still white. I plan to harvest (at least the tops) within 5-7 days.




And doublejj, I just finished reading your carport journal. Nothing short of spectacular, and if anyone happens to read this, do yourself a favor and take a gander at the kind of magic this guy is working.

I saw a photo of the Medijuana where a fan leaf nearly reached your elbow. This ConChz has given me the biggest fans of my career, so I thought I'd 'show off' lol




Up next is the big 707 Headband. Its top buds also look nice and there are a bunch of them, but some leaves near the top are a pale yellow color with some weird splotches, some of which almost look like they've been splattered with easter egg dye or something crazy. Of the top fan leaves that are yellowing, the vast majority of them are (or were, as in the case of the Blue Dream I was able to fit in the back) in the middle where they're getting light from both 600w lights. They're all at least 10" away, but I can't help but wonder if it still might be too much light with both of those bulbs beaming down nearly doubly as intense in that overlapping area.




Also getting some yellowing on the 707s in 1gal pots. It's in the middle and not the bottom (there is some clear P def down there, though), so nitrogen deficiency seems unlikely. One of them has a nice autumn-like red tint to it, while the other is more just faded, with a bit of necrosis added in.




Merry Christmas, everybody. Thanks to all those who've offered a helping hand in 2011 and I'm looking forward to a great new year.

Nice grow.....rep..

Whaddup bros,

Been trimming quite a bit over the past few days after I started the first plants flushing on day 57, then took the first cuts on day 64. A few more on 67 including strains that were started to flush on day 64. I've sampled most of these, and they don't seem harsh despite the short flush, which I'm assuming is because I ran P deficient for a good portion of flower. This has me thinking that the guys who say flushing is BS might be onto something, at least if you don't overfeed. I should have fed more, so now I'm looking for that middle groundwhere you can feed the plants what they need without having to atone for overfeeding by starving at the end.

Haven't taken too many photos of the process, as I've been spending far too much time trimming tiny buds most respectable growers would just toss in the hash pile. But I'm looking to maximize my reported yield and get a sense for how my mistakes this time compare to last time as well as the next, so I'll be giving myself the benefit of the larf on this one (though I have already tossed a good amount of popcorn into the trim box that I'm going to use on a dry ice extraction around the end of the month).

I'll be back with yield and a few images, but for now, my focus is on creating a reliable curing system.

I tried using Mz. Jill's method but was probably putting the nugs into their jars too soon, or perhaps not following the schedule perfectly enough. In any case, it didn't work super well for me, but I found Simon's method on ICMag and jived with that, because I'm somewhat number oriented, so I like the scale.

I'm working on perfecting a cyclical record keeping chart so I can learn more about exactly what happens each time we burp or jar up the freshly cut nugs, and am already starting to find some relationships that have improved my understanding of what's going on in there based on my early recordings. The CaliberIII hygrometer/thermometer is a must, and works like a dream; I'll probably buy a few more so I can mesure more jars at once.

Sorry for not updating, bros. I came down with a mild to severe case of Linsanity.

Seriously though, the second grow is long over, and I decided to go through this thread and take stock of what happened.

I harvested about 540g dry, although I consider the quality of the OGK18 I pulled to be so low that it practically doesn't count. So I passed the 1lb milestone but also got just under .5gpw, which can most certainly be improved. My goal for the next round is 2/3gpw, and once I get everything dialed in, I might experiment with CO2 in a sealed room as I reach for 1gpw mastery.


Takeaways from round dos:

-Grow one strain at a time. A more precise way might be to say "Master one strain at a time," but you get the point: I gotta dial in one before I give my attention to more.
-Overcrowding causes stretching because the leaves are so densely packed together that the plants reach upward for more light. This radically reduces yield while significantly increasing trimming workload. It is with good reason that commercial growers use stakes differently than my own little experiment: the approach I tried is foolish and borderline disasterous.
-Despite being careful with pH this time around, I still found Fox Farm's soils and fertilizers to be lacking *something*. For example, I was feeding around 1.6 EC toward the end with every feeding but still got signs of deficiencies (lockout?), but I've since seen expert growers achieve considerably better results with just over half that. With this in mind, I'm switching to Dyna-Gro, which contains all 16 essential nutrients in both their Grow and Bloom products.
-Trimming dry not only seems easier, but the finished product seems more aromatic. I suppose this is because the plants are drying out more slowly, and then you only need to burp the jars once or twice because this gradual drying is doing a lot of the 'curing' while they hang. I even left the fan leaves on until I manicured, and will probably continue this whole-plant hanging for the next harvest.
-My cloning procedure is now on point. I'm striking within 10-14 days on well over 95% of trials (I did a bunch for practice) and there are just too many things to mention that I started doing wrong back in the day. My keys to success include a small T5, Clonex gel, A-OK rockwool cubes, an almost sealed dome and moistened perlite lining the tray.

And while we're at it, be sure to check out my new grow featuring the best genes from this round of seeds:

-->Kushberry with Dyna-Gro<--