CatfishBilly
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Great job, they should fill that screen with ease. What is that screen made of?
1000w 2 plants SCRog, -PITBULL- 1st timer^^
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Philosophist
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its made with a shelving kit my gf bought a few years ago, just 6.2x2 square pieces of it zip tied to a pvc frame.
^^ ya i cant WAIT for them to fill out a bit more, im shooting for 75-80% then flowering, oly at about 25 atm.
^^ ya i cant WAIT for them to fill out a bit more, im shooting for 75-80% then flowering, oly at about 25 atm.
hellraizer30
Rebel From The North
Cute cat and things look good keep it up
Looking good man, after seeing this really looking into the pit bull strain lol. Subd.
kevin murphy
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very sweet man there looking gud very nice update..would u recommend screening..
Philosophist
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Well im not very experienced but it seems very good just because you maximize the light, also training the plants is fun and relaxing.
Ask me again in a few months^^
Ask me again in a few months^^
kevin murphy
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haha will do pal...
woodsmantoker
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Over water, creating PH problems and this also results in signs of deficiency when its prolonged. Your soil could also be a culprit. I would also suggest that when you are testing for results that may fix your problem, that you do it to one plant only. Once the determination has been made as to its effectiveness, you then apply it to the whole garden... I suggest allowing the soil to dry completely. Get a PH pen, and test so that you can make corrections. Avoid "weaving" through your screen. Train your plants first through bending (LST), starting with a main stem bend that creates a steep arch allowing the top to point downward at the soil; this may have to be done slowly to avoid snapping. If you break a branch, simply support it at the break (can tape it) and it will recover in a day or two. Tie the plant off in this position and the stress will produce a response that you will see in a few hours. The plant will readjust and the leaves will turn and face the light. In a day or so, secondary growth will emerge at a more rapid rate than before creating new branches that too will be in need of bending at a later date. Once the plant is nearly 70 - 80% the size of the screen, place it under the screen. ( you can remove any tie downs at this point). Allow the branches to grow upwards a few inches (ideally the distance that you will need to make it to the next screen hole). Once the tops have made it that distance in height, pull them back through and place them in an empty space filling more of the screen. This is the technique that will quickly fill the remainder of the screen more rapidly than weaving. Once nearly full, switch to flowering. (first timers bud early, don't be that guy).
Its a learning curve, enjoy it!
Woodsmantoker~
Its a learning curve, enjoy it!
Woodsmantoker~
Philosophist
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Are you saying im over watering? and that i prolly have Ph problems?
i have a Ph moister meter and it says the run off is 6.5 or there about.
Yes i DEF should have LST'd before , i will for sure be doing that next time. How tall/old should they be when you do that first big downward bend?? Also do i just bend it in a wide arch and tie it down, or break the fibers inside to make an angular sharp bend?
Woodsman ur my Scrog hero so Thanx for you input^^
My other big question that i keep getting dif answer for is this..... when i move a stem, from one hole to another....do i pull it through and leave it under to grow above the screen on its own? OR should I pull it back up into the new hole myself? have heard 3-4 dif answers..... plz clear that up if you are so inclined^^
i have a Ph moister meter and it says the run off is 6.5 or there about.
Yes i DEF should have LST'd before , i will for sure be doing that next time. How tall/old should they be when you do that first big downward bend?? Also do i just bend it in a wide arch and tie it down, or break the fibers inside to make an angular sharp bend?
Woodsman ur my Scrog hero so Thanx for you input^^
My other big question that i keep getting dif answer for is this..... when i move a stem, from one hole to another....do i pull it through and leave it under to grow above the screen on its own? OR should I pull it back up into the new hole myself? have heard 3-4 dif answers..... plz clear that up if you are so inclined^^
steeZz
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Philo I don't think it will matter that much if you're just going to be repeating the process and weaving it again.
I say experiment with two sides of the plant, pull one back up into the new hole, and leave one.. this way you can be the almighty genius when this question does pop up again :]
when it comes to LST, make sure if you're doing the arch, to tie a security string or whatever around the base to hold the plant stable, so you dont rip the roots out.
then what I did was, got a thumbtack thingy, placed it into the side of my pot, tied a string around it, then looped it around the part of the plant i wanted bent down, then back onto the thumbtack.
this let me turn and either tighten or release the plant depending on how it looks.
In my opnion, you can't do LST wrong and you'll get the hang of it once you start seeing how your plants are growing.
Here are some example pics of how I did it and how its turning out
But remember this shit is my first grow too, so what the hell do I know. I dont even know if my plants look good myself lol.
I say experiment with two sides of the plant, pull one back up into the new hole, and leave one.. this way you can be the almighty genius when this question does pop up again :]
when it comes to LST, make sure if you're doing the arch, to tie a security string or whatever around the base to hold the plant stable, so you dont rip the roots out.
then what I did was, got a thumbtack thingy, placed it into the side of my pot, tied a string around it, then looped it around the part of the plant i wanted bent down, then back onto the thumbtack.
this let me turn and either tighten or release the plant depending on how it looks.
In my opnion, you can't do LST wrong and you'll get the hang of it once you start seeing how your plants are growing.
Here are some example pics of how I did it and how its turning out
But remember this shit is my first grow too, so what the hell do I know. I dont even know if my plants look good myself lol.
woodsmantoker
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Bring your questions to the thread, I will do my best to get things answered for ya buddy. Its much more difficult for me to tour the countless threads and keep up sorry. Feel free to copy and paste answers, comments, quotes etc. to your own thread, it will help others who review it as well. Take care pal.
- Plant problems best answered in those threads
- Bend as soon as you like, a few nodes high is sufficient usually, damage is not necessary just a arched bend ( leaving a curve in the entirety of the stem if possible.) Some times an extra support pulling in the opposite direction attached low on the stem, helps retain the bend without pulling the plant over or snapping it. Take your time.
- Unless coaxing the tops back through the screen is damaging them, sure get them as close to the light as possible. Screen shades.
Woodsmantoker
- Plant problems best answered in those threads
- Bend as soon as you like, a few nodes high is sufficient usually, damage is not necessary just a arched bend ( leaving a curve in the entirety of the stem if possible.) Some times an extra support pulling in the opposite direction attached low on the stem, helps retain the bend without pulling the plant over or snapping it. Take your time.
- Unless coaxing the tops back through the screen is damaging them, sure get them as close to the light as possible. Screen shades.
Woodsmantoker
woodsmantoker
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SteeZz - "what I did was, got a thumbtack thingy, placed it into the side of my pot, tied a string around it, then looped it around the part of the plant i wanted bent down, then back onto the thumbtack."
Good LST info, plants look fine! Both of you will do fine.
Drilling holes at ever inch or so around the top of the pot allows you to secure wire that will retain a bend. Simply bend the end of the wire and slip it through one of the holes, pull the branch down to your desired position, and then bend the wire over the branch. Cut off any excess wire if need be. You will get better and better at judging needed lengths and will waste less and less wire but its quite cheap... Use stainless.
Wire has more versatility and retains position. Thus more applicable to LST in my experience.
Good LST info, plants look fine! Both of you will do fine.
Drilling holes at ever inch or so around the top of the pot allows you to secure wire that will retain a bend. Simply bend the end of the wire and slip it through one of the holes, pull the branch down to your desired position, and then bend the wire over the branch. Cut off any excess wire if need be. You will get better and better at judging needed lengths and will waste less and less wire but its quite cheap... Use stainless.
Wire has more versatility and retains position. Thus more applicable to LST in my experience.
Philosophist
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I get the sick feeling that im fucking this all up...... i feel like i have alot of little growth but nothing big.....
I am judging solely be pics i have seen of other scrogs... the seem to have larger longer branches, that seem to grow to a few inches before they are brought back under the screen. I have been tucking them back under when ever they are large enough to reach the next square in my screen......i fear this is wrong. I fear i will end up with tins of little nugs that wont amount to shit. Popcorn buds they seem to be called. Im trying to promote new branch growth, and i seem to be achieving that goal, but i fear i have gone over board and now have to many small one, and might need to let them grow out a bit like i see in the pics online......But 90% of the scrog pics are during flower, and its hard to judge>.<
here are the most recent pics.
Im fucking bummed, i spent the day looking at scrog pics and comparing my plants with the others i saw, and now i feel like a dope. The girls are strong as hell, they grow despite my tinkering so i know its not them. they have had ONE nute feeding, and i only did 1/3 what it said on teh bottle to combat nute burns.
They still seem to get a few holes here and there , but i think its the pulling through the screen etc, i have checked for bugs, and water on teh leaves post watering.
<3 ya RIU
I am judging solely be pics i have seen of other scrogs... the seem to have larger longer branches, that seem to grow to a few inches before they are brought back under the screen. I have been tucking them back under when ever they are large enough to reach the next square in my screen......i fear this is wrong. I fear i will end up with tins of little nugs that wont amount to shit. Popcorn buds they seem to be called. Im trying to promote new branch growth, and i seem to be achieving that goal, but i fear i have gone over board and now have to many small one, and might need to let them grow out a bit like i see in the pics online......But 90% of the scrog pics are during flower, and its hard to judge>.<
here are the most recent pics.
Im fucking bummed, i spent the day looking at scrog pics and comparing my plants with the others i saw, and now i feel like a dope. The girls are strong as hell, they grow despite my tinkering so i know its not them. they have had ONE nute feeding, and i only did 1/3 what it said on teh bottle to combat nute burns.
They still seem to get a few holes here and there , but i think its the pulling through the screen etc, i have checked for bugs, and water on teh leaves post watering.
<3 ya RIU
woodsmantoker
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Pull one plant out and make an ARCH "upside down U" in each branch that you can including the main stem. Compare the two plants over the next few days. Don't worry about filling the screen at this point. They don't even need to be in the screen yet...
woodsmantoker
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Pit Bull Outdoor In Scrog - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6kuU3WjGY_E
Philosophist
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Not questioning your wisdom, but what is the reason for taking it out? just observation?
And how long are you supposed to wait unitil you put them into the screen? They are a month old atm. adn have been under my 1k lights for 3 weeks and 3 days. Should i remove the screen completely and let the grow some without it then replace?
And how long are you supposed to wait unitil you put them into the screen? They are a month old atm. adn have been under my 1k lights for 3 weeks and 3 days. Should i remove the screen completely and let the grow some without it then replace?
jamiesname
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Don't weave your plants through the grid, just push them back under the screen when they poke through. Take a good look at the following thread on SCROGing
https://www.rollitup.org/advanced-marijuana-cultivation/282177-enter-scrog-scroggers-united-post.html
Everything you need to know is in this thread started by Woodsmantoker <-- He knows his shit when it comes to SCROGing.
Philosophist
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HEllo RIU!!!!!!!!!!!!<3
Im still having the same stupid ass archenemy life drama, and its so ridiculous. What happened to the time when you could beat ass with out worrying about assault charges? Ahh the good old days<3
Mofo just wanna start shit>< all i wanna do is grow , this guys just mad cuz i blew the whistle on his con game, trying to sell 30 dollar LED panels for 100 bucks... fuckin crazy.
Anyways Here are tow pic just took. They seem happy.....so im happy.
Im still having the same stupid ass archenemy life drama, and its so ridiculous. What happened to the time when you could beat ass with out worrying about assault charges? Ahh the good old days<3
Mofo just wanna start shit>< all i wanna do is grow , this guys just mad cuz i blew the whistle on his con game, trying to sell 30 dollar LED panels for 100 bucks... fuckin crazy.
Anyways Here are tow pic just took. They seem happy.....so im happy.
zvuv
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I like your grid design. It has a very clean elegant look.
I tried to find where you are on your light schedule but I'm too stoned. Those look to me like they are vegging. If that's the case you are going to get a lot of rapid growth when you go to 12/12. The plants may more than double in size and those screens will fill in.
Don't stress about the training. With scrogging the worst you can do is pretty good. As long as you are patient, gentle and use good sense, most any scheme will give good results. Over, under, tying weaving, it all works.
I agree with whoever said it that those yellow spots are from water. Drops on the leaves can act like a lens, focus the light and burn the leaf. I went around and around with the same thing on my plants.
Wait till she starts setting buds. That's intense!
I don't know why you keep kicking yourself. You've put a lot of work into this and done a great job. I expect you are going to get a nice pile of dope out of this.
I tried to find where you are on your light schedule but I'm too stoned. Those look to me like they are vegging. If that's the case you are going to get a lot of rapid growth when you go to 12/12. The plants may more than double in size and those screens will fill in.
Don't stress about the training. With scrogging the worst you can do is pretty good. As long as you are patient, gentle and use good sense, most any scheme will give good results. Over, under, tying weaving, it all works.
I agree with whoever said it that those yellow spots are from water. Drops on the leaves can act like a lens, focus the light and burn the leaf. I went around and around with the same thing on my plants.
Wait till she starts setting buds. That's intense!
I don't know why you keep kicking yourself. You've put a lot of work into this and done a great job. I expect you are going to get a nice pile of dope out of this.