1000w hps vs 500 true wats led?

Bosgrower

Bosgrower

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jimihendrix1 said:
Use the Hortilux HPS. Has the highest umol. 1600umol.
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jimihendrix1

jimihendrix1

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I wasnt referring to LED. Hortilux HPS has the highest umol of any single ended HID.

Spyder 2i is a great light.

The Phillips Toplight Compact is 630w, and 1800umol, but they wont sell less than 40 of them for $32,000. $800 each is a killer price though.
 
Bosgrower

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jimihendrix1 said:
I wasnt referring to LED. Hortilux HPS has the highest umol of any single ended HID.
Spyder 2i is a great light.
The Phillips Toplight Compact is 630w, and 1800umol, but they wont sell less than 40 of them for $32,000. $800 each is a killer price though.
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They're expensive, but the 360W/hr savings can really add up and the light penetration at 6-8" over the canopy is awesome.
 
kmog33

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Bosgrower said:
They're expensive, but the 360W/hr savings can really add up and the light penetration at 6-8" over the canopy is awesome.
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That’s about $10/m here on electric cost difference. At $800 a light vs $150 for a 1k de with bulb(not hortilux, but ime changing every round is better than buying expensive bulbs and trying to run three). Means a lot of time to make up for the initial cost imo. Also, the fixtures put out less light. Someone needs to make an led fixture that can compete with a 1k de hps AND is price competitive. In bigger rooms I feeL like the goal is to be most productive, not most efficient as they arent one in the same. I want a 1k led fixture to replace my de hps fixtures because I would rather yield more than save money on electricity.
 
xtsho

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kmog33 said:
That’s about $10/m here on electric cost difference. At $800 a light vs $150 for a 1k de with bulb(not hortilux, but ime changing every round is better than buying expensive bulbs and trying to run three). Means a lot of time to make up for the initial cost imo. Also, the fixtures put out less light. Someone needs to make an led fixture that can compete with a 1k de hps AND is price competitive. In bigger rooms I feeL like the goal is to be most productive, not most efficient as they arent one in the same. I want a 1k led fixture to replace my de hps fixtures because I would rather yield more than save money on electricity.
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It would only take you 6.6 years to recoup the money saved on electricity by paying the $800. :bigjoint:
 
Buddernugs

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I’m stuck guys mars hydro tsl2000 2x4 covered with 2 optic 1 xl 2x2 each 500 wats total or 1000 watt hps I am buying one today just can’t make up my mind
 
jimihendrix1

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xtsho said:
That LED is $800 more than a 1000 watt HPS kit that comes with a sealed hood and dimmable digital ballast and won't produce any better. If heat is an issue I guess some people would need it.

I say 1000 watt HPS all day everyday.
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Though I replace my Hortilux bulbs every 1700 hours. Theyre &70usd HID loses 10% within 30 days/720 hours at 24 hours veg cycle, which is what I use.
I replace every 70 days on 12 hours flowering.

The better LED will keep 90% of its umol for 50,000 hours.

Allegedly the HLG is 1700 umol and 610w. Hortilux 1000w HPS is 1600umol.
My Gavita 1700e is rated at 1700umol, and 645w.
 
jimihendrix1

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Buddernugs said:
I’m stuck guys mars hydro tsl2000 2x4 covered with 2 optic 1 xl 2x2 each 500 wats total or 1000 watt hps I am buying one today just can’t make up my mind
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Id go for the 1000w Hortilux HPS over the Mars if you can cool it. The Hortilux will totally blast a 2 x 4. Really is best for a 4 x 4. At 2 x 4 that 125w Sq/foot. Thats about what the sun is at noon at the equator on a clear day.

Probably have to keep the light up a bit from the canopy. Id probably go 24 inches at least.
 
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Buddernugs

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Ok thank you I guess I’m going to have to learn how to train to fill up that 4x4 so I do t waist any light..... I have a 8” 750cfm fan so I’d be able to cool it it’s also in a cold ass basement so that helps too.... I have 4 white widow auto flowers from ilgm set up on an auto drip system right now so I hope that gives me at least 2zips a plant or the 1000wat would be a waste
 
jimihendrix1

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1000w Hortilux is made for a 4 x 4. 62.5w Sq/ft

Good LED, with Samsung/Osram diodes are 40w Sq/ft

The Mars I believe dont use Samsung Diodes.
 
JoeBlow5823

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Buddernugs said:
How’s the hortilux compared to the agro?
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Are you talking about this bulb?
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JoeBlow5823

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The Philips Agro 3100k is a 315w CMH bulb that requires an entirely different hood and ballast......And a 315w is not enough for a 4x4. If we are talking single ended 1000w HPS, hortilux is the best.
 
2Hearts

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Why dont they sell an 800w hps version/model or add it to the dimmable 1000w ballasts because sometimes a 1000w is just a touch too much but a 600w not quite enough. The hps could use even increments of 150/200w and start really competing again.
 
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