1000w|vert|scrog|coco|KISS donut of love featuring Bodhi gear

Steelheader3430 said:

I have no idea how you can keep your temps down running vert. I've tried a few times even with ac it's impossible for me. I'll be following along here. The silver mountain interests me.

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Might I suggest thinking vertically about your air column; get a box fan and lay it on its back, so it can blow air straight up. You'll need to prop it up so it's off the ground enough to draw air. Now you're drawing the coolest air in the room- along with CO² since it also likes to sink- and blowing it all straight up into the plant canopy. Lights hanging in the middle will shed heat and that will also be cooled by the air, heating as it rises. In my silos, the air then passes through the plant canopy itself, is cooled by an air handler and the cycle repeats.

I tried. My temps went crazy in the tent. Not enough ventilation. Then again in an air conditioned room. Again too much heat. Even had vert screens and did the training. But had to go back to horizontal. You bet your ass I still got the sockets though. For now I'm working on getting cuttings to root. I can't clone for shit. Lol. It'll come to me.

Steelheader3430 said:

I tried. My temps went crazy in the tent. Not enough ventilation. Then again in an air conditioned room. Again too much heat. Even had vert screens and did the training. But had to go back to horizontal. You bet your ass I still got the sockets though. For now I'm working on getting cuttings to root. I can't clone for shit. Lol. It'll come to me.

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How much lighting were you running?

Steelheader3430 said:

I have no idea how you can keep your temps down running vert. I've tried a few times even with ac it's impossible for me. I'll be following along here. The silver mountain interests me.

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No different than using a reflector without a cooltube or glass, at least in my experience. I run about 15 degrees hotter than ambient temp no matter how I grow for the most part. Then again, we're talking about single light verts here -- how many watts were you running?

ttystikk said:

Might I suggest thinking vertically about your air column; get a box fan and lay it on its back, so it can blow air straight up. You'll need to prop it up so it's off the ground enough to draw air. Now you're drawing the coolest air in the room- along with CO² since it also likes to sink- and blowing it all straight up into the plant canopy. Lights hanging in the middle will shed heat and that will also be cooled by the air, heating as it rises. In my silos, the air then passes through the plant canopy itself, is cooled by an air handler and the cycle repeats.

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Just saw this, good tips, one thing I would add is to make sure you leave the fan on low, as it will not be as effective if you set it to a higher speed (not exactly sure why, I just know from experience that this seems to be the case). Keep in mind I exclusively use Honeywell Turbo fans for this because they're cheap and the low setting is perfect for vert grows.

edit- hell I don't know why I'm telling you shit, I just saw your thread and you clearly know what you're doing...lol

lawlrus said:

Just saw this, good tips, one thing I would add is to make sure you leave the fan on low, as it will not be as effective if you set it to a higher speed (not exactly sure why, I just know from experience that this seems to be the case). Keep in mind I exclusively use Honeywell Turbo fans for this because they're cheap and the low setting is perfect for vert grows.

edit- hell I don't know why I'm telling you shit, I just saw your thread and you clearly know what you're doing...lol

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Lol confirmation never hurts!

I run Lasko 3300 fans, with a base that allows me to tilt them 360° through the vertical axis. They're like $45 apiece, very quiet and effective, moves air very well.

And thanks for the kind words, although you may have noticed in the thread that not everyone agrees with you!

I've tried 1000 in a 4x4 I the cold ass garage. No good. And in a 8x6 insulate ac sealed flower room. Ac couldn't keep up having it sealed. I'm keeping it sealed for future co2. Right now I'm running 2 1000 hps vented through. It's working fine. Might put a mh in there just to see what's up. I need to check up on laplatas Buddhas delight. That's in veg right now. For now I'm trying to keep healthy nanner free plants after major soil issues trying organics. Back on dyna-gro and happy.

Steelheader3430 said:

I've tried 1000 in a 4x4 I the cold ass garage. No good. And in a 8x6 insulate ac sealed flower room. Ac couldn't keep up having it sealed. I'm keeping it sealed for future co2. Right now I'm running 2 1000 hps vented through. It's working fine. Might put a mh in there just to see what's up. I need to check up on laplatas Buddhas delight. That's in veg right now. For now I'm trying to keep healthy nanner free plants after major soil issues trying organics. Back on dyna-gro and happy.

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4x4 is maybe a little tight, I could see a bare bulb maybe getting a little toasty for a few plants, but nothing you couldn't manage with enough CFMs on your inline and proper air flow in and out of the room (plus the fan pointing straight up like tystick and I mentioned). Maybe I'm just misunderstanding or something, what sort of ventilation were you working with in the 4x4 (assuming that one wasn't sealed)? When you say the temps were unmanageable, what are we talking about exactly? I definitely would say that a 4x4 is perfectly suited for a vertical 600w instead of a 1000w in my experience, and it's a more efficient bulb to use anyways...but I've never run a 1000w in that space myself so I'm curious what the exact circumstances were.

Just a 6inch booster fan to exhaust out the top and a vortex fan (10 inch?) blowing up the center to push the heat up away from the bulb. Which seemed to do nothing. Garage was way cold. Highs in the 40's -50's. Probably not enough exhaust with the booster. I appreciate the input. I'm not trying to jack your thread.

Steelheader3430 said:

Just a 6inch booster fan to exhaust out the top and a vortex fan (10 inch?) blowing up the center to push the heat up away from the bulb. Which seemed to do nothing. Garage was way cold. Highs in the 40's -50's. Probably not enough exhaust with the booster. I appreciate the input. I'm not trying to jack your thread.

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Don't mind it at all dude, I love exchanges like this in my threads because I just get a chance to learn more.

I think your issue is that you didn't have your ventilation set up properly to achieve negative pressure and provide enough air exchange. You should be pulling through your scrubber into your inline and out, and the only other fan you really need in there is the small box/table fan like we mentioned blowing on a low setting directly up on the lights. You could probably even just reverse the fans and use the duct booster as the center fan with the vortex as the exhaust as intended, although I don't know exactly how much air the booster would push in a situation like that. Either way, if you already have the Vortex it's only $15 for a honeywell at walmart or amazon and that's all you need.

Sounds like your issue was solely the ventilation to me, I think if you had that vortex hooked up and pulling right you would have been gravy. Don't give up, vertical is the future man!

Vertical is the future. Lol we call plants dumb but they've been doing it for 500 million years!

No doubt man. The incredible efficiency aside, there's something about looking in your tent and seeing that circle of glistening colas that just makes me happier than looking in at a horizontal canopy...not sure why but I really do love it.

lawlrus said:

No doubt man. The incredible efficiency aside, there's something about looking in your tent and seeing that circle of glistening colas that just makes me happier than looking in at a horizontal canopy...not sure why but I really do love it.

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I work in a forest. Almost all of my trees are taller than I am...

ttystikk said:

I work in a forest. Almost all of my trees are taller than I am. ...

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Yeah man, and you're rocking it...we're operating at two completely different levels though as you well know. My commercial days are behind me, now it's all hobby grows and there's not much I miss about the absurd amount of work that goes into anything over a light or two. You're in CO, yeah? I was out there for the Cup in Denver this year and man was I disappointed with just about all of the pot I got. I couldn't get in touch with my buddy who has a few lights out there while I was visiting so I was stuck just buying shit from shops in and around Denver.

lawlrus said:

Yeah man, and you're rocking it...we're operating at two completely different levels though as you well know. My commercial days are behind me, now it's all hobby grows and there's not much I miss about the absurd amount of work that goes into anything over a light or two. You're in CO, yeah? I was out there for the Cup in Denver this year and man was I disappointed with just about all of the pot I got. I couldn't get in touch with my buddy who has a few lights out there while I was visiting so I was stuck just buying shit from shops in and around Denver.

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I'm sorry to hear that. I'm sure I can help you find better next time!

ttystikk said:

I'm sorry to hear that. I'm sure I can help you find better next time!

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I'm actually trying to figure out when I'm heading there this winter as we speak...just got word that I am in Reno for work for a few days late January. I need to space it out a bit so my girlfriend doesn't get pissed that I left her behind for two trips in a single month. I'll give you a holler when I end up that way though man.

I will say that I stopped by and spoke with BOG at his booth while he still had some flowers available and picked up some of his dope (and some gear too, although I'm not running any right now) and it was phenomenal. My first time trying the classics like Sour Bubble and Bogglegum and if they were a little better to grow in a vertical setup I would already be running SB and BMR as we speak. I will say that BOG himself was a little fucking whacked out and spacey, talking about aliens and shit, but I suppose that is to be expected.

Sorry this is kinda boring so far fellas and ladies, I had forgotten how long everything seems to take from seed and I am the most impatient motherfucker in the world. These are 11 days from planting here and they're rooting quickly and strongly, some more so than others as you can tell from how dry a couple are. Feeding (well, watering anyways) once a day at 5ml A+B/gal, I misplaced my Rhizotonic so need to grab another bottle but that won't start for another few days anyways. My only issue right now is humidity -- anywhere from 20-30% on the low end, not much higher than 35% so far at all even on a rainy day. I knew this would be an issue going into it with a garage and a tent, so I have a humidifier on the way that should help get me closer to the 40-60% I like to do in veg. Part of the issue is also the dry heat that MH is pumping out, as they're under the 400w at 100% a little earlier than I normally would, but it's not a big deal...I've had killer harvests in 20% RH or less, just not ideal. Y'all see my ghetto remote environment monitoring system too, yeah? If it works it works, right? Those are Silver Mountains in the back two rows, Jabba's Stash in the middle, and the front 4 are Gojis.



I also quit smoking for a while, probably until this run is over...kinda needed a break. You'll probably see a lot more rambling ADHD-induced posts while I'm sober, just fair warning.

I'm thinking depending on how many girls I end up with I might end up running the Jabba's Stash separately in a 4x4 tent on a flip flop with the larger tent. Should kill two birds with one stone in terms of keeping temp and humidity reasonable and would probably negate the need for a humidifier. Reason I'm thinking that is after looking around a bit more it seems that the JS tends to produce very squat plants that probably will not utilize the vertical room I have as well as they could. Of course, this would introduce the issue of light leaks affecting the crop in the other tent while working in the same room on one tent while the other is on dark cycle and vice versa, so that's something to consider. I suppose we'll see what happens.

Not much in the way of updates yet, kinda slow going...here they are at 2 wks from planting




Here's what I'm thinking now. I have 8 Silver Mountains, and those are really the reason for this project. Ideally, I would like to have no more than 5 plants in the 1000w tent. If I assume 50/50 M/F just to make it easy on myself, I'm thinking that at the end of the day I might end up with 5-6 females between the 8 SM and 4 Goji OG. Run those two together in the vert tent, and then I'll break out the 4x4 alongside it and do a horizontal run with the Jabba's Stash alone and go ahead and flip that one within the next couple of weeks to get a head start on a staggered harvest. The Jabba's just isn't going to be ideal for the vertical style and I'm going to probably end up with way more females than I can fit in the 5x5 alone. This should also simultaneously take care of the heat and low humidity issues that are very soon to come (if this weird weather ever goes away). Right now we're sitting pretty at 74-75 deg and 60% humidity so I'm happy with that. Haven't even needed to use the humidifier I bought and at this rate I doubt I will, so that's cool. Anyways, I'll be putting these guys in 1gal fabric pots in about a week and from there I'll probably let the JS veg another week and then flip so I can start sexing and figure out what I'm going to end up with. More updates when they're worth posting. Hope y'all had a great holiday.

Things are looking good except that I have some unwanted visitors that appear to be fungus gnats. My buddy up the mountain is having the same problem for the first time, our guess is the torrential rain having something to do with it. Never dealt with this particular pest and there are a million ways I've heard to do so -- would love some real-world experienced opinions on how to take care of it for good in early veg.

I transplanted to 1 gal fabric pots last night, but due to poor planning for shipping times around the holidays they were all extremely rootbound by the time the pots arrived. I actually had to stick around the office a bit later a couple nights ago and when I made it home, one of the Silver Mountains (the most rootbound and the one that was drinking the most) had become so dry that it had some heavy wilting and crispy, damaged leaves. I've seen that happen with some severely rootbound males in small containers in coco in the past, but never seen the leaf damage -- could that be indicative of the fungus gnats? I didn't see any activity when I was transplanting but later that night I checked and saw a few fliers.

Thanks for the help, I'll get some pics later tonight when lights are on...I'm at work now and these are on 18/6 so lights off 12-6pm.


edit- was gonna also mention that I left a couple of inches of room at the top of the fabric pots to try the perlite method to supposedly kill the larvae -- just not sure if that's worth the time or if I'm spinning my wheels and just need to go with the nuclear option. I'm definitely not down with putting up Hot Shot strips or anything like that. Am I going to have to go with a plant dunk to fix this or is there a systemic approach?