12-1 lighting schedule, has anyone actually tried this?

azman

Active Member
i am in the 3rd week of flower and have done 4 weeks of veg using this method.
i usually veg to a height of 32 inches and flip which usually takes me around 5 weeks to achieve,
so they may have stretched the tinyest of mounts.
as they were vegd using this lightig schedule they were border line flowering and showed sex early in fact with in 4 days and had buds with in 2 weeks,
next week ill be dropping the timer by another half hour, making the flower time at 10 hours.
if your interested in the outcome pm me and ill be sure to tell you what the out come waswhen its finished.
 

3waterleaves

Active Member
this whole thread is pointless.
Your whole post was pointless :sleep: GTFO if you don't like it or stop being a pointless retard and posting shite.

I have read the thread. It just isn't logical, also your explanation has not helped.

if you want to save electricity then why not just veg on 18/6 or 20/4 or 22/2? the reason why people veg on 24/0 is because of faster cell division, real growth. taking away an hour of light will serve to lower that cell division. Meaning less real growth, meaning the longer it will take the plant to reach maturity. giving the plant 1 hour of darkness every 12 hours is just silly and pointless.

My question in this thread have not been answered satisfactorily enough. to save electricity? that's an old argument for why 18/6 is better than 24/0 and it's complete bollocks. you are not saving electricity.... as the plants will take longer to mature. where does the lot of money come into it?

I cannot believe an old argument like that is, what appears to be, your only reason for 12/1.
It's just not logical for your little cage is it Skunk? After all these years you still seem to be a downright douchebag at times. Maybe you're not getting your answers because the answers given do not "compute", maybe it's because he who has ears does not hear and he who has eyes does not see. Meaning (yes I'll explain it for you) because they don't align to your current thought forms you just fail to see any answers to your questions, perhaps just read the thread before you ask your silly and pointless questions ? Perhaps, but unlikely.

Kudos for giving this a go and trying something not many seem to have done. It shits me when you hear the same old arrogant crap from wannabe professional growers on here. Times change, nature is in a constant state of change so +rep in advance for anyone on here willing to venture out and try something new. Might not work out the best, but it might work out great, only way is to try it for yourself to be sure and add another notch to your experience belt, rather than listening to pointless wannabes that choose to know nothing more than what's inside of thier little cage they call a head.

Peace to all :bigjoint:
 

3waterleaves

Active Member
Just a thought too, for anyone scared of causing too much stress or making thier plants go hermie etc, you could always try a very reduced amount of light during the "off" periods as suggested in this thread, say if you are using HID, or even big watt CFL's, just tone it down to a few normal watt CFL's during the hottest parts of the day (if heat is an issue) or if you just want to do like the point/s of this thread in general, if you think about it, in nature the hottest part of the day is only about 4 - 6 hrs worth, not a full 12 hrs. So by going on a bit of a staggered usage you may actually stimulate the plants to have a rest and recoupe kind of like like being in the hot midday sun, then finding a nice shady tree to rest under for a few mins, or hours, whatever the case may be.

Why not do an experiment for yourself for what your girls seem to like through both vege and fruit times. Oh how I wish I had something going atm, living vicariously through this forum is almost good enough though.

Peace to all.
 

skunkushybrid01

Well-Known Member
Your whole post was pointless :sleep: GTFO if you don't like it or stop being a pointless retard and posting shite.



It's just not logical for your little cage is it Skunk? After all these years you still seem to be a downright douchebag at times. Maybe you're not getting your answers because the answers given do not "compute", maybe it's because he who has ears does not hear and he who has eyes does not see. Meaning (yes I'll explain it for you) because they don't align to your current thought forms you just fail to see any answers to your questions, perhaps just read the thread before you ask your silly and pointless questions ? Perhaps, but unlikely.

Kudos for giving this a go and trying something not many seem to have done. It shits me when you hear the same old arrogant crap from wannabe professional growers on here. Times change, nature is in a constant state of change so +rep in advance for anyone on here willing to venture out and try something new. Might not work out the best, but it might work out great, only way is to try it for yourself to be sure and add another notch to your experience belt, rather than listening to pointless wannabes that choose to know nothing more than what's inside of thier little cage they call a head.

Peace to all :bigjoint:

No idea who you are... maybe you would care to enlighten me?


I see you also cannot provide any scientific links to show how giving a plant less light actually increases growth by 30%... as claimed in one of the links provided. stick to the point and please pm me about any other problems you may have.
 

snew

Well-Known Member
I see you also cannot provide any scientific links to show how giving a plant less light actually increases growth by 30%... as claimed in one of the links provided. stick to the point and please pm me about any other problems you may have.
I have never said that my plants grow bigger. I have said over and over my plants are shorter and bushier. The links all support this but I have not stated this. If you read the links they all give good info on why this does what this does. I mean why do you give a shit. People here are trying to inform and encourage one another with a growing method that works for them.
If scientific evidence is what you need and know one is giving it to you then go away. I am finding this works well for me, others are finding it works for them. A gain is there 1 person who has had a problem using this method? Has one person found this not to be what its said to be? Have you shunk tried this and it didn't work for you you? Did you buddy destroy a crop by doing this?
If by scientific evidence you need some one in a lab with test tubes I don't think you'll find it. If scientific evidence you mean many growers who have found the same results I would call that down right conclusive. Maybe you went to a different school than I did.
As for links hear are some again, it is the 3rd time I have posted the 1st 2:
http://www.treatingyourself.com/treatingyourself/images/issues/pdfs/issue28.pdf, pg 84
http://www.treatingyourself.com/treatingyourself/images/issues/pdfs/issue25.pdf, page 77
http://www.cannabisni.com/growing-ti...ur-energy-cost

A search of gas lantern routine will lend to more than I care to weed through.

I believe this tread is call "12-1 lighting schedule, has anyone actually tried this?" not "12-1 lighting schedule has anyone never tried, heard of, and just generally think this sucks".|

However, if your negative shit weren't here this tread would have died along time ago. But thanks to you and other whiners its stayed open quite a while and many others have learned of its benefit.
 

skunkushybrid01

Well-Known Member
saying the opposite to what somebody else is saying does not make it negative. Just opposite. I didn't say it sucked, i said it was pointless. and it is... I have as much right to that opinion, and as much right to voice it, as you do yours. At least I explain the reasons for my opinion and refrain from telling others that they shouldn't have one because it is different to mine. I disagree with you... deal with it.

One guy, after using this method, even comments that the plants flower easier as they are veg'ed so close to the flower schedule.

If any of you have ever flowered straight to 12/12 from seed then you would know that it can take up to 4 weeks and longer for plants (from seed obviously) to start flowering anyway. It also surprisingly keeps the plants shorter than usual. that's on standard 12/12. put those plants on 13/11 and they will still flower.

I believe this method is just the same as force flowering seedlings from 12/12. hence the reason for the squatness, as my plants from seed straight to 12/12 have always done the same thing too. I wouldn't have noticed the bushiness though as i grew SoG style with plants cramped in so only got single colas. which was the desired effect.

I can agree that plants will remain squatter witht his schedule.... but i can't see plants performing 30% better than 24/0. it just isn't possible. This isn't aimed at any one individual by the way as several members here have reported different experiences...
 

skunkushybrid01

Well-Known Member
what this suggests is that plants get used to a certain light cycle and adjust growth patterns accordingly. give them mor elight and they wiill grow bigger and stretch more when it isn't there.
 

LILBSDAD

Well-Known Member
I'm glad I put Skunkushyretard on ignore, I see he is still posting on here though. Probably asking the same questions. I notice the haters are the ones who have had to shut down their operations, don't yield crap, or don't have anything growing. Funny how that works
 

azman

Active Member
for me i would be happy to have the same outcome as a normal lighting schedule as i run 2 tents, 3 lght's, so in veg each light saves m 5 hours per day that's 15 hours of electric saved. over 4 weeks veg that's 420 hours electric saved, 420 hours hmmm how ironic lol.
that saving in itself makes this worth while imho.

skunkush, dont be so closed off, i mean who knew way back when that you could grow with led,
its about trial and error, i want to produce as much as i can for as little payout as possible.
 

tellno1

Well-Known Member
i've used the 12-1 for years ... does it increase growing 30% .. i wouldnt say yes or no .. way too many other things to consider ... but cost savings .. you bet .. plants at 12-1 do seem a bit healthier , use less nutes .. but as with anything its just my opinion .. would i recommend 12-1 ohh you bet .. besides where in the world has daylight 24 hrs or even 20 hrs a day .. well cept the artic and dont know of much greenery that grows up there ..

now that be said .. try it for yourself .. i personally like saving the costs of hydro and even a few pennies on nutes .. and the plants grow well .. even seem to show flowers earlier when put to 12/12 .. or 10/14 in my case.. but isnt that what its about? sure there are a lot of books written on all kinds of veg times and flower times ... but the bottom line is what works best for you .. dont let others push their opinions on you ....

happy growin
 

progenitor04

Active Member
No idea who you are... maybe you would care to enlighten me?


I see you also cannot provide any scientific links to show how giving a plant less light actually increases growth by 30%... as claimed in one of the links provided. stick to the point and please pm me about any other problems you may have.
u dont need any scientifik proof, in the plants natural habitat its has daylight and night time, i think if i was to give it to much light itd stress her out... how wud u like to go days wit out sleep..
 

progenitor04

Active Member
i dont feel like reading thru all of this but has anyone tried the flowering method cuttin down hours n such and has had good results ?
 

skunkushybrid01

Well-Known Member
skunkush, dont be so closed off, i mean who knew way back when that you could grow with led,
its about trial and error, i want to produce as much as i can for as little payout as possible.
I'm not closed off... you are. it works both ways. However the only difference is i've listened to all of the arguments here and countered them. My arguments are countered with insults and even outright ignorance.

i've used the 12-1 for years ... does it increase growing 30% .. i wouldnt say yes or no .. way too many other things to consider ... but cost savings .. you bet .. plants at 12-1 do seem a bit healthier , use less nutes .. but as with anything its just my opinion .. would i recommend 12-1 ohh you bet .. besides where in the world has daylight 24 hrs or even 20 hrs a day .. well cept the artic and dont know of much greenery that grows up there ..
Your logic here is a little skewed. nowhere in the world will we also find a 12/1 light schedule from the sun. Use less nutes because there is less growth... maybe a little less lost through evaporation too, but the main losses will be to the growth of the plants.

now that be said .. try it for yourself .. i personally like saving the costs of hydro and even a few pennies on nutes .. and the plants grow well .. even seem to show flowers earlier when put to 12/12 .. or 10/14 in my case.. but isnt that what its about? sure there are a lot of books written on all kinds of veg times and flower times ... but the bottom line is what works best for you .. dont let others push their opinions on you ....
happy growin
I'll try anything if i can see the logic behind it. I've tried growing a plant in the dark whilst foliar feeding a mixture of water, sucrose, glucose and fructose. Very interesting experiment. Also grown very large plants, 6ft... in a 4 inch pot in coco... also done similar with hydro... shallow water growing... intense UV, a 300W tanning lamp set straight onto two seedlings. that was fun too. The critical feeding experiments where i overfed entire groups of plants just to test the results.

I'm all for experimenting if the experiment makes some type of logical sense before hand. I'm going to get into that .pdf shared from treating yourself magazine in a moment.

Also, i would never allow somebody to push their opinions onto me and i do not have that intention myself either. I'm all about sharing information, helping to educate others and myself that's it. The people responding in this thread are not the only people reading it... some of the people responding just shouldn't be at all.

u dont need any scientifik proof, in the plants natural habitat its has daylight and night time, i think if i was to give it to much light itd stress her out... how wud u like to go days wit out sleep..
You shouldn't have responded in this thread. you need to learn a lot more first and would have been far better off sitting back and learning.

i dont feel like reading thru all of this but has anyone tried the flowering method cuttin down hours n such and has had good results ?
different thread... a whole big thread too, a whole new debate. do a search.
 

skunkushybrid01

Well-Known Member
I have noticed that factors such as clone burn-out seem
to suggest that overexposure to light is adversely affecting
the hormonal balance of the growing plants and
causing the genetics of the cuts and seedlings to degrade
over the course of several generations.
That is the premise for the rest of the .pdf

he's seen clones, not all of them... as some clones can age for years without any degradation, others can be grown only a few times and suddenly they become a different plant, genetically fucked. low frost, etc, etc... when you grow clones for a few years you get to see that some will degrade. But do we blame that on light? everything that the plant does when the lights are off it also does when they are on. Light is life. Instead what we should blame it on is AGE. Just like every other living thing on this planet. Some plants will last for years with little to no degradation, others will mess up after just a few grows. Not to mention grower error. genes do respond to environmental influences.

I turn to the conditions of nature to find the solution,
and in a natural model, I can see that from the point of
view of the plants, the sun gradually moves past, casting
sunbeams and shadows of objects and trees in front,
beside, and behind the plant successively across photo
surfaces during the course of the day. This clearly shows
that in the natural environment, the play of light and
shadow are significant to the natural progress of the
plant.
the solution to a conclusion incorrectly assumed? Let's roll with it anyway...

From the point of view of the plants, everybody knows that to get the best growth one should make a clearing. it is not just for root space, but for adequate light penetration too. A shaded plant will not grow as well as one in full sun. this is why plants get bigger in Cali than they do in the UK. lol... ever seen an outdoor plant in the UK? then look at the ones in California, 10lb trees in some cases. what's the difference? quality of light, you think?

Of course the natural light processes come into play, that conclusion is the correct one... how though he has incorrectly gathered that less light is better for cannabis i'll never know.

During a recent discussion with other growers, we
rediscovered a rumored century-old technique that
proves that the direct and intense application of light
for longer than necessary can be more stressful to the
plant than previously known, and could even degrade
the plant’s genetic strength.
Rumoured? century-old technique that nobody has ever heard of until now? that everybody stopped using for favour of better growth and yields? How does this fabled, rumoured, century-old technique prove that direct and intense (huh?) application of light (for longer than necessary) be more stressful than previously known?
that has me scratching my head... bullshit perpetuates bullshit I suppose. a century ago sounds pretty previous to me... yet the information was buried until finally recovered by a bunch of stoners sitting around talking shit. Nice story.

Now that cannabis growers are starting to grow specifically
for medicines, the health of the plant needs to be
properly considered so that the full natural potential of
the plant can be realized and the fullest expression of the
plant’s medicines be produced. The margin for error is
becoming smaller as the mistakes of the past are revealed
and medicinally specific growing is gaining importance.
The health of the plant has always been considered and cannabis has always been grown specifically as a medicine. pretentious bitch.

Plants mostly grow themselves... making way more of this than there needs to be.

The commonly used cash cropping method of cannabis
cultivation wastes energy. People use this method by rote,
since they simply don’t know what the real requirements
of the plants are. It is stressful to the hormonal systems
of cannabis, and not necessary to produce fully healthy
and productive plants. It does not recognize that overexposure
to light is harmful to the plants, and so they
underperform in terms of taste, yield, quality, and potency
of the medicine, or require supercharged fertilizers to
reach their potential. It is surprising that these techniques
are used with profits in mind, since they are clearly
expensive and counterproductive.
Not surprising at all. sensible in fact. That's why it is done. growers used to grow on 18/6 for veg that was the standard, some would even grow 16/8. they argued and argued about how 24/0 would even kill your plants in some cases. witchcraft! they would scream. even cervantes fianlly conceded several years ago that 24/0 is the best and fastest way to veg'. the most stressful thing to a plant is a change in it's environment, particularly the lights going down. Plants are reactionary, the lights going down signals lower growth as the palnt must conserve energy for important processes until the lights come back on again. Plants do not die in the light, but they do in the dark. i know which i would find more stressful if i were a plant.

This information will seem quite revolutionary to growers
who have been using the standard cycles to produce
cannabis, seemingly with little or no trouble at all.
You don't say?

Actually, in a grow that more closely mimics the outdoor
growing environment under indoor lighting conditions,
the plants may be maintained in vegetative cycle using
only a total of 13 hours of light daily, which dramatically
reduces the cost of production.
12/5.5/1/5.5 is not natural in any way shape or form. Indeed i'm slowly arriving at the conclusion that that hour in the middle is not actually enough to prevent flowering. In all my experience with straight to 12/12 from seed and clone, a couple of the reports i'm hearing here have all the hallmarks.

The less is more approach of the Gas Lantern Routine
provides the growing plant with adequate darkness to
promote health, and by inserting a full hour of light in
the center of the dark period, the plants are tricked, and
neither flower nor express hermaphrodites. The growing
plants get more than the average amount of rest, thus
reducing stress, and improving plant yield, overall performance,
and medicinal quality.
In what way do plants need darkness to promote health? They don't is the quick answer to that. Plants cannot be tricked, they are reactionary. although this statement still interests me because of the age-old, less light or more dark theory for the trigger of flower.
 

snew

Well-Known Member
Well shunk you spend more time wasting you voice than anyone I know. This is the 3rd time I've ask this of you or anyone.
Have you or have you seen this method used and it didn't work? Anyone?
I have read a lot of threads and there are always people talking about their failure with a method. Especially a new technic people have problems. Weather from there own error or problems with the technic its self. I don't think 1 person here has stated a bad experience with 12-1. Several complaining little bitches who have not tried it and think they have the corner on plant technics.

"I'll try anything if i can see the logic behind it. I've tried growing a plant in the dark whilst foliar feeding a mixture of water, sucrose, glucose and fructose. Very interesting experiment. Also grown very large plants, 6ft... in a 4 inch pot in coco... also done similar with hydro... shallow water growing... intense UV, a 300W tanning lamp set straight onto two seedlings. that was fun too. The critical feeding experiments where i overfed entire groups of plants just to test the results"

Unbelievable!!! That is some stupid shit.

So answer my question shunk or any nay sayer just 1 person with a negative experience using 12-1?
 

skunkushybrid01

Well-Known Member
So answer my question shunk or any nay sayer just 1 person with a negative experience using 12-1?
they've already reported the negatives int his thread... a stunting to growth, obviously the plant isn't growing as well as it would with more light. the plants are taking longer to grow. also, the flowering thing. force flowering plants from seed will still take 4 weeks and longer in some cases for them to start flowering. so i believe the hour break in the middle of a 12/12 schedule is not enough to prevent flowering.

calm down and answer intelligently... just because i disagree with you on this doesn't mean you need to start crying. act like an adult and have a proper discussion. the 3rd time you ask something does not mean you deserve an answer. if you'd checked my previous answers you would see that i have answered this indirectly already.
 
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