12 Democratic Senators sign on to co-sponsor Bernie Sanders' Medicare for All Bill

st0wandgrow

st0wandgrow

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ttystikk said:
Mostly because you've never been given the chance, right?
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No, because my own self interests would likely be better served by a republican potus/congress.

I'm white, male, straight, debt free, upper tax bracket, self employed, I have health care, investments, etc...

I'm liberal, and vote for left leaning candidates because they represent ideals that I believe in, not because I personally benefit from them.
 
Justin-case

Justin-case

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st0wandgrow said:
No, because my own self interests would likely be better served by a republican potus/congress.

I'm white, male, straight, debt free, upper tax bracket, self employed, I have health care, investments, etc...

I'm liberal, and vote for left leaning candidates because they represent ideals that I believe in, not because I personally benefit from them.
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Nice try, but you're obviously just smart enough to realize republicans can't run an economy that would benefit your business.
 
Padawanbater2

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st0wandgrow said:
No, because my own self interests would likely be better served by a republican potus/congress.

I'm white, male, straight, debt free, upper tax bracket, self employed, I have health care, investments, etc...

I'm liberal, and vote for left leaning candidates because they represent ideals that I believe in, not because I personally benefit from them.
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Something seemingly impossible for critics to argue against

I'm in the same boat, yet constantly bombarded by accusations that I only support Sanders because I'm poor, and racist. Nah, I support Sanders because I think his policy positions would benefit the most amount of Americans at the highest possible capacity than the other contenders. Although my taxes might be raised, that's a small fraction to pay to provide essential necessities to less fortunate countrymen, not to mention the pragmatism of paying for a less expensive system of healthcare that covers everyone. The idea that this is surprising to critics highlights their lack of actual progressive ideals. If you're a progressive, you shouldn't be surprised that well off progressives would still choose to support the ideas that will harm the pocket book but benefit poor and minorities.
 
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schuylaar

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Padawanbater2 said:
Something seemingly impossible for critics to argue against

I'm in the same boat, yet constantly bombarded by accusations that I only support Sanders because I'm poor, and racist. Nah, I support Sanders because I think his policy positions would benefit the most amount of Americans at the highest possible capacity than the other contenders. Although my taxes might be raised, that's a small fraction to pay to provide essential necessities to less fortunate countrymen, not to mention the pragmatism of paying for a less expensive system of healthcare that covers everyone. The idea that this is surprising to critics highlights their lack of actual progressive ideals. If you're a progressive, you shouldn't be surprised that well off progressives would still choose to support the ideas that will harm the pocket book but benefit poor and minorities.
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i'd hands down pay more taxes to have everyone and everything covered.
 
Huckster79

Huckster79

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Those that are anti trump, we must lay down arms amongst ourselves folks. We can discuss this but it can't take our shared interest of stopping him away.

I think Russia had some effect on it all

I think third party voting had some effect on it all

I think some of hillarys choices and style had some effect on it all

I think liberals terrible ability to market had an effect on it all.

I think some Bernie supporters not following Bernie to back her had some effect on it all.

I think the fact I backed out of working the phone banks the last three days had some effect on it all..

There's plenty of blame to go around, and yes I do not understand you mr or mrs third party voter but if you are against the trump agenda, we can, we must work together...and while working together I can't promise you that I won't remind you next time don't do the 3rd party thing when the stakes are this high...
 
Padawanbater2

Padawanbater2

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Huckster79 said:
Those that are anti trump, we must lay down arms amongst ourselves folks. We can discuss this but it can't take our shared interest of stopping him away.

I think Russia had some effect on it all

I think third party voting had some effect on it all

I think some of hillarys choices and style had some effect on it all

I think liberals terrible ability to market had an effect on it all.

I think some Bernie supporters not following Bernie to back her had some effect on it all.

I think the fact I backed out of working the phone banks the last three days had some effect on it all..

There's plenty of blame to go around, and yes I do not understand you mr or mrs third party voter but if you are against the trump agenda, we can, we must work together...and while working together I can't promise you that I won't remind you next time don't do the 3rd party thing when the stakes are this high...
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How can we be expected to unite if half the party wants to continue the corporate agenda?
 
Huckster79

Huckster79

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I get it... I do. Well for moment we must simply resist his aweful agenda together.

To move forward we for now must accept each other's imperfections until the Republic is in safer waters... we can't give up the good for the sake of the perfect... we cannot commit the sins the tea party did. They have taken and broken functioning conservatism... they will sink anything that's not perfect in their eyes, even if it pulls the ball closer to their perfection. They want a goal made with a single kick...every time, no exemtions...no compromise.

We cannot do that! From center right all the way to the leftist left must unite at least in common decency in treatment of each other and willingness to compromise and work in good faith with each other for greater good.

The perfect should never be the enemy of the good...

I'm as progressive as it gets I beleive, but I must work with a corporate dem if we can do some good and compromise. That doesn't mean I quit working to pull further left.

Look at current GOP, owns all of D.C. Can't get a thing done... there's a chance that could be dems in 2021, we cannot afford to be the liberal version of what they are today.

We Unite in opposition to the Trump agenda, we work towards the good of all with anyone willing to do so and to compromise with each other in good faith.

We must never loose our ability to govern like they.. is it easy to work w folks that we disagree with? Nope. But can we do it? I still will always beleive:

Yes We Can
 
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schuylaar

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Huckster79 said:
Those that are anti trump, we must lay down arms amongst ourselves folks. We can discuss this but it can't take our shared interest of stopping him away.

I think Russia had some effect on it all

I think third party voting had some effect on it all

I think some of hillarys choices and style had some effect on it all

I think liberals terrible ability to market had an effect on it all.

I think some Bernie supporters not following Bernie to back her had some effect on it all.

I think the fact I backed out of working the phone banks the last three days had some effect on it all..

There's plenty of blame to go around, and yes I do not understand you mr or mrs third party voter but if you are against the trump agenda, we can, we must work together...and while working together I can't promise you that I won't remind you next time don't do the 3rd party thing when the stakes are this high...
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88% of Sanders supporters voted Clinton..a very nice showing considering, don't you think?
 
Huckster79

Huckster79

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schuylaar said:
88% of Sanders supporters voted Clinton..a very nice showing considering, don't you think?
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Absolutely! My point was lots of small things added up n came together... I think the Bern worked hard to get his followers over, ppl like me.. Hell I blame myself for backing out of the phone bank I was gunna work...
 
ttystikk

ttystikk

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Huckster79 said:
I get it... I do. Well for moment we must simply resist his aweful agenda together.

To move forward we for now must accept each other's imperfections until the Republic is in safer waters... we can't give up the good for the sake of the perfect... we cannot commit the sins the tea party did. They have taken and broken functioning conservatism... they will sink anything that's not perfect in their eyes, even if it pulls the ball closer to their perfection. They want a goal made with a single kick...every time, no exemtions...no compromise.

We cannot do that! From center right all the way to the leftist left must unite at least in common decency in treatment of each other and willingness to compromise and work in good faith with each other for greater good.

The perfect should never be the enemy of the good...

I'm as progressive as it gets I beleive, but I must work with a corporate dem if we can do some good and compromise. That doesn't mean I quit working to pull further left.

Look at current GOP, owns all of D.C. Can't get a thing done... there's a chance that could be dems in 2021, we cannot afford to be the liberal version of what they are today.

We Unite in opposition to the Trump agenda, we work towards the good of all with anyone willing to do so and to compromise with each other in good faith.

We must never loose our ability to govern like they.. is it easy to work w folks that we disagree with? Nope. But can we do it? I still will always beleive:

Yes We Can
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There's a huge difference between the Tea Party and the Progressive Movement.

Just for openers, the Tea Party is a party of extremists, where Progressives are responding to BOTH parties moving too far to the right.

The Progressives are actually centrists!

Also, the Progressive Movement has adopted positions that most people in the country support, regardless of party affiliation. The same cannot be said of the Tea Party.
 
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since1991

since1991

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The progressive movement and platform of today was common ground Republican policy about 50 to 70 years ago. We have been steadily moving to the right for quite some time now.
 
ttystikk

ttystikk

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since1991 said:
The progressive movement and platform of today was common ground Republican policy about 50 to 70 years ago. We have been steadily moving to the right for quite some time now.
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This is why I think Bernie's relative position is a good one for this country; he shows just how far off the pitch the other idiots are playing.
 
Fogdog

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since1991 said:
The progressive movement and platform of today was common ground Republican policy about 50 to 70 years ago. We have been steadily moving to the right for quite some time now.
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Really? McCarthy, Committee on Unamerican Activities, blacklisting suspected communists, John Birch society, not to mention Southern Democratic Party segregationionists, excluding black people from voting, the draft and the Vietnam war. These are all policies that were mainstream policies 50-70 years ago. We haven't come as far as many would like. We have lost ground recently but we have progressed from those days.
 
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