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mellokitty · Nov 23, 2011

wtf....... WHY does it keep doing that?!?! if you find this thread closed without prior announcement, please let me know, there's apparently some sort of glitch at play here......

troutie · Nov 23, 2011

mellokitty said:
thanks troutie, good to know about the light/dark thing!! (makes total sense why it focuses on the leaves now.) i've been playing with the manual focus too (finally figured out what the MF button is! ) but.... *ehem*

i also have this funny thing happen where the thumbnails i think look best blow up to be the blurriest of the bunch..... *sigh*
for my next budporn purchase i'm torn between a macro lens and digi-scope right now...... options options.

digi-scope?? i'm not familiar .... i have spent next to nothing on a jewllers loupe (30x) but as i suspected i can harldly see my tric heads thay are still too small (i can see they are clear and spikey still apart from some on the bud leaves have round heads) but i don't feel that confident with it

its macro lens for me.... but i'm a bugger for a toy! ....and i love my camera :-)

i have shakey hands for a 30 (odd) yr old non drinker so manual focus is such a chore ..... oh oh oh thats it ... click ...Bugger!

Joedank · Nov 23, 2011

I love you and your mans insight and research!!!I was just discussing flushing and not I am raising my days of to eight .. I feel with my current program a small amount of bitter dry potassium flavor is left on the pallet on my hazes.... I use humic and fulvic. With citric acid and sucanate the near the end every watering to increase cation exchange in the myco..

mellokitty said:
thank you both, i'm rather gunshy on the flush/not flush debate. it might just be my own experience, but i find the not-flush side is very quick to denigrate, dismiss, and condescend. (apologies to all the respectful non-flushers, y'all are *superstars*.)

i'm glad you brought up the organics thing too, muggie. according to one of my horticulturalist friends: (my bold)

"When it comes to flushing....you are starving the plant. That's the point. You are turning a fat man into a triathelte. We over fertilize and the plant will store unconverted nutrients in salt form the same way we store energy in fat or squirrels put away nuts for the winter! The unconverted salts will leave a bitter taste in ANY fruit. honestly I can even tell when someone has used diammonium phosphate rather than monopotassium phosphate both of which are totally over supplied. Most commercial growers keep feed levels consistent with growth. As hobby growers we focus on "juicing" the plant hence the build up. Interesting enough why does it not impact organics which can't really be flushed out of medium? This is due to the decomposition process rather than the immediate water soluble nature of chemicals. Chemical are similar to fast food. They will pack on pounds but its not an entirely natural process. I am getting away from the point. Flushing in its most pure form is to force the plant to metabolize and nutrients that have built up in tissue unconverted(example N in non amino form) by first stripping available nutrients away from the medium/root zone. Which in turn causes the plant to convert its reserves and build up essential oil, amino acids, brix content etc. There is no question if you flush for 14 days you will lose quantity but there is also little doubt it improves quality."

he used to work for Big Ag and has some insight into that field too, so i brought up the question of why there are so few peer-reviewed agricultural studies about overfertilising and was met with something between a snort and a guffaw - "kitty, we as cannabis farmers are a special demographic - most of us can afford to "juice" our crops, whereas buddy with the 100 acres of blueberries over there is probably more worried about fertilising enough. agricultural studies about overferting are uncommon because it's not a common enough problem among farmers for somebody to throw a bunch of money at it to study it."

fair do's.

further, i have yet another friend who just started her horticulture degree (gawd, i'm soooo jellllyyyy of all my hort students) and while helping her study cell components for basic botany, i found this little tidbit in her textbook: ("botany for gardeners", 3rd edition, brian capon, timber press) (again, my bold)
"A vacuole occupies a large part of the volume of most plant cells. Although the word 'vacuole' means 'empty space,' it is a membrane-bound inner sac containing much of a cell's stored water and serves as a repository of excess mineral nutrients as well as toxic waste products from the cell's metabolism."

mellokitty · Nov 23, 2011

*humping joe's sexy brain*..... oh, pardon me, how terribly rude. :oops:

Joedank said:
With citric acid and sucanate the near the end every watering to increase cation exchange in the myco..

citric acid increases CE?? do elaborate pleeeeez, i'm very very curious.

mellokitty · Nov 23, 2011

troutie said:
digi-scope?? i'm not familiar .... i have spent next to nothing on a jewllers loupe (30x) but as i suspected i can harldly see my tric heads thay are still too small (i can see they are clear and spikey still apart from some on the bud leaves have round heads) but i don't feel that confident with it

its macro lens for me.... but i'm a bugger for a toy! ....and i love my camera

i have shakey hands for a 30 (odd) yr old non drinker so manual focus is such a chore ..... oh oh oh thats it ... click ...Bugger!

digital microscope -- looks like a regular microscope but plugs into the computer. seem to be in the $50 - $100 range for a basic kit.

now i just have to decide whether i'm more of a sucker for bud porn or trich porn, i guess.
and yeah, me too with the shaky hands -- i keep a bucket with me when i'm taking pics for leaning my elbows on. :lol:

(and my camera's favourite trick is..... oh oh oh that's it.... half-press focus-"Please change the batteries") @#$%&!!!

troutie · Nov 23, 2011

i need to be able to see my trich's .... i would like to photograph my buds better ..... ..... looks like its a better scope for me

troutie · Nov 23, 2011

mellokitty said:
digital microscope -- looks like a regular microscope but plugs into the computer. seem to be in the $50 - $100 range for a basic kit.

now i just have to decide whether i'm more of a sucker for bud porn or trich porn, i guess.
and yeah, me too with the shaky hands -- i keep a bucket with me when i'm taking pics for leaning my elbows on.
(and my camera's favourite trick is..... oh oh oh that's it.... half-press focus-"Please change the batteries") @#$%&!!![/QUOTE

you using Canon™?

mellokitty · Nov 23, 2011

yup. it's a handmedown from a photography nerd, and i love it.

how are you using your loupe? Dr Amber T gave me a tip that they're easier to use if you take a small sample (a leaf with trichs or something), lay it on a flat surface, and put the scope on top. (i have the ol' radio shack classic and she has a similar one i believe.)

troutie · Nov 23, 2011

mellokitty said:
yup. it's a handmedown from a photography nerd, and i love it.

how are you using your loupe? Dr Amber T gave me a tip that they're easier to use if you take a small sample (a leaf with trichs or something), lay it on a flat surface, and put the scope on top. (i have the ol' radio shack classic and she has a similar one i believe.)

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it would seem i'm using it like an idiot LMAO ... to be honest my buds are only a few weeks old and i'm only just starting to locate the trichomes... they shouldn't be ready untill the second week of dec....

aghhhhh ... hold on ...... right so cut of a section of leaf with trichs on it yes? ... rather then try to attempt this while its still attached to the plant?

i'd best leave any sample cutting until much closer to the time or i'll end up with a bald plant lol

i have a 500d ... but i got a few nice lenses :-)

mellokitty · Nov 23, 2011

hey hey now, that's how i was trying to use mine before too..... :oops:

one leaf seems like a worth-it experiment if it means you can go ahead and get your macro lens...

troutie · Nov 23, 2011

didn't think about it like that... thank you again... oh and Dr Amber t for the neat trick :-)

was getting quite frustraited as i could just about focus on some trichs even with the shakes (lol) and then i'd get pins and needles where i'd been kneeling down so long hahaha

Gastanker · Nov 23, 2011

Watch out with just checking leaf trichs. From my observations the trichs on leaves mature much earlier than those on the calyx.

I'm stoked on the future macro videos

You will be making videos with the digital scope right?

mellokitty · Nov 23, 2011

Gastanker said:
Watch out with just checking leaf trichs. From my observations the trichs on leaves mature much earlier than those on the calyx.

I'm stoked on the future macro videos

You will be making videos with the digital scope right?

omg i never even thought about that. what a fantastic idea.
i know i've been slack on the videos this round... :oops:

between the suddenly in-demand schedule and hiccups (our stoner fault) with the nute experiments, it hasn't been high on the time/energy continuum.

i think the scope is starting to trump the other things on the xmas list..... (seeds, appliances, etc.) :lol:

Wolverine97 · Nov 23, 2011

Gastanker said:
Watch out with just checking leaf trichs. From my observations the trichs on leaves mature much earlier than those on the calyx.

I'm stoked on the future macro videos

You will be making videos with the digital scope right?

I'll cosign that, I've seen it (and watched for it since then) pretty consistently over the last couple years.

mellokitty · Nov 23, 2011

you guys are so diligent with your scopes and the trich checking.... hats off to you.

we have a bit more holistic approach (some would call it 'lackadaisical' :lol:

) .... we weigh other stuff like pistil receding, calyx size, colours, vigour/lack thereof, etc. to decide when we start the flush. mr kitty doesn't like to start flushing until the plant starts to show signs of senescence.

mellokitty · Nov 23, 2011

hey joe...... it doesn't have something to do with the 'citric acid cycle,' does it?

....... that would just be too damn convenient.

Wolverine97 · Nov 23, 2011

mellokitty said:
you guys are so diligent with your scopes and the trich checking.... hats off to you.

we have a bit more holistic approach (some would call it 'lackadaisical' ) .... we weigh other stuff like pistil receding, calyx size, colours, vigour/lack thereof, etc. to decide when we start the flush. mr kitty doesn't like to start flushing until the plant starts to show signs of senescence.

I don't generally harvest by trich's, but I do look it all over during trimming. I use the same method as you to determine ideal harvest times.

Gastanker · Nov 23, 2011

Wolverine97 said:
I don't generally harvest by trich's, but I do look it all over during trimming. I use the same method as you to determine ideal harvest times.

Yup. I go by this as well. Trich are just one part of the larger puzzle.

I spend way to much time looking at trich porn. It's amazing at what a cheap cannon with a digital macro can do.

Wolverine97 · Nov 23, 2011

You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to mellokitty again.

Wanted to see if I could hit you again, nyet.

Joedank · Nov 23, 2011

Here is stuff you know already;The citric acid cycle also known as the tricarboxylic acid cycle (TCA cycle), the Krebs cycle, or the Szent-Györgyi-Krebs cycle[1][2] is a series of chemical reactions which is used by all aerobic living organisms to generate energy through the oxidization of acetate derived from carbohydrates, fats and proteins into carbon dioxide and water. In addition, the cycle provides precursors for the biosynthesis of compounds including certain amino acids as well as the reducing agent NADH that is used in numerous biochemical reactions. Its central importance to many biochemical pathways suggests that it was one of the earliest established components of cellular metabolism and may have originated abiogenically.[3]
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Citric_acid_cycle_with_aconitate_2.svg

Some stuff you may not know... ( this is a heavy read baby bring a friend to help you stop once your in the krebs research matrix)
http://www.jbc.org/content/196/2/717.full.pdf

The krebs cycle is a huge part of our lives it can affect alot!!!

So we can all understand ;
Citric acid is a natural product of citrus fruits such as lemons, limes, oranges and tangerines. A small amount is also present in berries, particularly blackberries and raspberries. In the environment, citric acid does not only affect humans, animals and aquatic life, but affects plants as well. Some studies show that citric acid, when used in smaller doses may be beneficial to plants; however, large and repeated doses may be harmful.
Krebs Cycle
Plants make adenosine tripohosphate (ATP) during photosynthesis by releasing energy from glucose and other stored sugar. During aerobic respiration, the cell uses oxygen to burn molecules and release energy. This reaction, which is the opposite of photosynthesis, takes place over the course of three major reaction pathways: glycolysis, Krebs cycle and electron transport phosphorylation (ETP). Citric acid is a main component of Krebs cycle, also known as citric acid cycle, which is a series of complicated chemical reactions as part of respiration of all oxygen-utilizing cells including those found in plants. Disturbing or distorting the citric acid cycle will hamper the glucose transformation and impair the plant's energy.
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Allelopathic Effect
An article on homeopathy written by V.D. Kaviraj, a Dutch homeopath, author, researcher and pioneer in agrohomeopathy, explains how citric acid and other closely related acids can have an allelopathic effect on plants. V.D. Kaviraj mentions that allelopathy is the inhibition of growth of a plant due to biomolecules (allelochemicals) released by another. Repeated dosage of citric acid on healthy plants can cause the plants to die, which is why citric acid is useful as a weed remover.
Promotes Rooting Ex Vitro
The International Society for Horticultural Science (ISHS) published a research study on the effect of ascorbic acid and citric acid on ex vitro (plants grown naturally) rooting and acclimatization of Prunus avium L. (sweet cherry) microshoots. The ISHS study indicates that applying low doses of ascorbic acid and citric acid to the sweet cherry microshoots can promote rooting and survival.
Phytotoxic Effect
Coqui frogs (Eleutherodactylus coqui and E. planirostris), otherwise known as Caribbean tree frogs, can affect Hawaii's floriculture industry because of quarantine measures implemented by the Hawaiian islands on infested plants. Prompting growing concerns from greenhouse growers, the United States Department of Agriculture performed a series of experiments on orchids and other plants using low doses of citric acid. Research showed that dermal application of 16 percent citric acid was effective in controlling frogs due to its phytotoxic (poisonous) effects on plants without damaging the leaves. The study indicates that citric acid can be an effective quarantine treatment for plants.

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